Dreamingawake

The US dug itself into a VERYYYY deep hole financially and we have no one to blame but ourselves here.

 

I cant speak for past generations but i do know that Americans overwhelmingly opposed the !st bailout yet it

happened anyway. In fact most Americans have been opposed to the majority of the governments actions for the

past 8+ years but no matter who gets voted in or out (assuming the votes are still counted) the train keeps

chugging along. Now we have a CHANGE of figurehead but so far its just Bush with darker skin.

So yeah I guess it is our fault... Our ancestors would have had bloody revolution at least a decade ago

(probably several) if they were here. But then they WERE called traitors to the crown and they did sign their

own death warrants when they put ink to the Declaration of Independence.

 

 

P.S. I'm not inciting revolution just remembering what the world was like before Big Brother domesticated

the sheeple

Nice posts sea dog..

 

I have always loved the Sky, espescially that Crisp, Clean Blue on a bright cloudless day. Its getting harder and harder to find Sky like that.

I used to be able to drive 40 min's from the city to see it like that, but now its at least a 4 hour drive.

 

I miss it.

 

I would have thought the Taoists here would be more intune with Nature. My mistake

 

Seth.

 

The Whole point that those of us dont buy into this global warming crap are trying to make is that it's distracting

people from real environmental issues. environmentalism has become a religion that has nothing to do with the

beliefs that founded it. Instead of trying to stop the destruction of the rainforest or save endangered whales, were

trying to fight carbon?!? further proof of environmentalism as a religion can be found in the fact that recycling is

actually BAD for the environment. Aside from being ridiculously expensive, it also creates unbelievable amounts

of toxic chemicals as a side effect that end up; guess where... in the environment

 

proponents of global warming always try to draw the line in the sand between those that believe them and

those that dont to make it look like anyone who doesnt support Gore's outright lie hates the environment.

I would put forward that gore hates the environment because he diverting effort from REAL issues for his own

political agenda.

 

There are many issues that need to be addressed to protect our home but as long as people focus on this lie

all these important problems get ignored.

probably one day but try not to let it get you down

Please cite evidence to substantiate your claims.

 

ralis

 

which terms to you need me to google for you?

solar causes for global warming? here

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html

here

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/199805260...trunc_sys.shtml

or here

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton.html

 

scientists against global warming? try this

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/05/31072-am...gainst-agw.html

or this

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

 

or how 'bout the polar bears?

http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/ask...rts/population/

http://newsbusters.org/node/12694

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/56861

 

or maybe the carbon credits were just too hard to find..

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/T...4125853,00.html

in fact here

http://www.google.com/search?q=carbon+cred...lient=firefox-a

read like the first 100000 articles

 

wow that took me like a whole 20 minutes. As Penn and Teller would say equal division of labor--

I'll prove global warming is a deliberate fraud with no basis in any actual facts or science promoted

to further a political and financial agenda, and teller here will steal candy from a baby

An interviewer asked him if he had a religion, and he pointed to a tree outside and asked the interviewer if the tree had a religion.

 

Serj Tankian is a genius

yeah the whole time that the earth was getting warmer, so were the other planets. thats why the moons of some

of them that were made of ice MELTED. you read that right; we burn fossil fuels here and the moons of other

planets melt?! come-on theres already plenty of evidence that the sun was responsible for global warming.

i say was because we've been cooling off for some time now. Al Gores polar bears that are supposedly going

extinct have increased their numbers by more than 10,000 in the last decade. btw some of these guys are

the same ones who were screaming 'ice age' back in the 70's and they said it was carbon then too so apparently

it heats the earth sometimes and other times makes it really cold... how convenient

 

Just look at the coalition that founded the current pro-global warming trend; a group numbering about 300

many of whom were politicians. now use that famous google-fu to look up the petition signed by over 31,000

actual scientists who say global warming is complete bunk. most of them are pissed cuz Gore has hijacked

the environmental movement and is diverting attention away from actual problems in order to achieve his

own political agenda.

 

if you look at the 'gore troups' policies and stated intentions you find out that the whole point of scaring people

with global warming is so they can invent a 'carbon tax' (thats a tax on breathing to you and me). the big plan

is to issue every citizen carbon credits. and if you exceed these credits you pay a huge fine, but not to big brother

(cuz we all love him). you pay this fine to the PRIVATE BANKS that issue these credits. the idea is to start with

a number of credits that any normal person can tolerate so that nobody riots and then once its in place

to severely cut down the credits issued each year. thats right Al Gores big plan is to make you pay your

loving bankers to breath and why not? how many of us already buy water? i just wish i'd thought of it first

The "not a law" argument usually settles around the amendment allowing income tax not being "properly ratified" however, numerous precedent setting court cases have firmly established the law since. If you really want to do something about this kind of stuff, check out www.fairtax.org and www.lp.org . Do something rather than watching well put together films with lots of bad information.

 

the "not a law" argument also stems from a true lack of a law the amendment in question

might have been ratified (as far as i know) however the supreme court has already declared that it established

NO NEW TAXING POWER and was intended to clarify the previous rules regarding taxation.

 

Many of the previous court decisions quoted as being in favor of the income tax actually say the exact opposite

when you read the whole decision instead of just the piece typically quoted.

 

The current income tax as it is written is completely constitutional however according to IRS code most

U.S. citizens do not actually qualify as "taxpayers" which is in fact a strictly and narrowly defined term.

This doesn't mean they wont still punish you if you dont pay but i've seen several cases where they raided

homes at gunpoint, confiscated personal goods and shut down businesses (in direct violation of IRS code

and the constitution of the united states) of people who had always paid. By the way these confiscations

were all before trial and nothing was returned after they were acquitted.

 

A really interesting documentary about the income tax is "freedom to fascism"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

this guy wasn't sure so he decided to ask some really educated people who you would expect to know.

my personal favorites were his interviews with Ron Paul and the ex-head of the IRS.

I dont agree with everything in it but it does make some very strong points.

 

By far the best book on taxation i've ever read is "the best kept secret" by Otto Skinner

If you really want to understand the federal income tax this book is your best bet.

It's very straight forward and sticks mostly to constitutional law and supreme court cases

in order to avoid digressing into frivolous 'legal loop-holes' an half baked arguments.

 

by the way i also still pay the IRS but it's purely a case of duress and extortion and right now

I'm just hoping that paying them will be enough to avoid the hassle. Isn't that why people used

to pay the mob 'protection' money?

I'm still laughing about donkey love lol a cousin of mine came back from Tijuana talking about the same thing

 

for me probably "the moth comes to the flame; volumes 1 & 2" by John Roberts

Its a collection of bits of conversation with a recluse by the name of Peter Ragnar

and it's sheer practicality was amazing to me. Very uplifting and empowering.

That's it! I'm starting my own religion!

I'll call it the religion of Chuck (My name is not Chuck nor do I know any Chuck.)

The basic tenants are thus:

 

1. My way is the only true way

2. This is proven true by the fact that I said so (SOLID proof)

3. If you don't believe me; then you must be WRONG (see #2)

4. You don't want to be wrong because that would be bad and..

5. If your bad Chuck will spank you with a large paddle (unless your into that sort of thing..)

Thus sayeth CHUCK!! Bow to Chucks beard!!

 

There! now I've single-handedly outdone most of the worlds religions.

I say basically the same thing, but without beating around the bush.

Now who's your super all powerful clergy man?!?

 

P.S. just sos you know... Chuck is the only man alive who can slam a revolving door...

 

 

 

 

Seriously....

Do we need to bring up Candide by Voltaire?

 

ya know i bought a copy of that some time ago and still haven't found the time to read it

its on my list of things to do though

LOL!

 

Don't get stirred up over this stuff... that's just what our lizard overlords want!!

 

Krishna said that it's impossible for one person to kill another: people actually commit suicide via karma and they don't really die anyways so everything works out somehow.

 

thats easy to say and may prove true enough but follow your words to their natural conclusion.

if i see a man tormenting other people my first reaction is to stop him. its easy when you see someone

suffering at the hands of another to say 'oh its none of my business he just has bad karma so hes really

hurting himself' but what kind of person does one have to be to stand by and let it happen?

 

if you saw someone beating a child to death with a bat would you just walk by mumbling something about how

the kid must have been a real shit in his past life? i apologize for the overly dramatic example but in my experience;

taking a line of thought to its extreme conclusion tends to be very revealing.

 

i dont mean to sound harsh and please dont think im judging you in any way because im certain you mean well.

i just hear things like this in spiritual circles a lot and it seems to me people are losing

perspective. we still live in this world and it is what we make it and allow it to be. i seem to recall that

historically Daoists seem to have a habit of changing history in a big way (ie averting floods, changing rivers,

destroying armies) so the idea that we should not get involved because if people are suffering they must

deserve it seems out of touch and totally lacking in compassion.

 

im also not saying that we should go out and try to fix everyone elses problems. im only pointing out the

dangers of that line of reasoning. there must be balance and without compassion none of us will ever be more

than monkeys no matter how much we sit in lotus.

 

 

P.S. reading over this i realize it sounds entirely too harsh and judgmental

but im not really sure how to soften it up and still make the point stick so

i want to apologize one more time and ask that you not be too offended or

angry with me since i really do mean well.

Taoist81,

 

The reality is that both sides of the debate have equal and opposite biases. There are people who have an emotional disposition to wanting it to be a conspiracy perpetrated by our government. Likewise, there are people who want to uphold officialdom and the word of mainstream so-called science.

 

Regardless, it is my humble opinion that any person with an open mind can determine that there are many alleged facts that simply do not equate with the official story. By your own admission, you were one such person. I am, therefore, suspicious of your use of negative verbiage and slander against the classification of people who do not share your final conclusion. Whether you wish to admit it or not, I believe you have a self-invested ulterior motive for posting your opinion. Moreover, your statements referencing ego and know-it-all truth-seekers can easily be reflected back to you.

 

Relax.

 

ditto

architects and engineers for truth http://www.ae911truth.org/

i've seen several interviews from engineers affiliated with this group.

do you know how easy it it to recruit for this group?

architect A meets engineer B. he shows him a video of WTC on 911

and says 'how might this be possible' engineer B says 'your mother must have dropped you on

your head as a baby if you cant tell thats a very well executed controlled demolition' and joins

said group. it's just that easy.

 

NIST still has no idea how the towers fell. during their 'investigation' they exposed their test structure

to far more heat and pressure than the towers were exposed to and still got jack for their efforts.

 

watch the video again and notice the squibs going off 20-30 floors below the collapse.

if the obvious thermate residue found in the wreckage as well as the video footage

of molten steel pouring out the side of the building are to be ignored then somebody

please explain how even two weeks after the collapse there were still pools of molten

metal 1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel even burns. oh wait i get it Allah really was on

their side and provided them with a miracle

 

i seriously doubt that a plane hit the pentagon but we'll probably never know. what we do know is that

the pentagon and NORAD have publicly admitted before congress and the entire nation that during 911

they were participating in several exercises that exactly mirrored the events that were actually happening.

no amount of 'your crazy and stupid that's just a coincidence because the gov said so!!' is going

to change that.. Or maybe Allah gave them another miracle?

The truth is: no one knows anything about what actually happened because so many people spread so much information.

 

To discuss this, we have to believe everything we've been told from every source (or just the sources we care to pay attention to). For instance: there was no plane found at the Pentagon. Where did we get this information? Is it reliable?

 

So yeah, the truth is: no one knows anything.

 

 

i can certainly agree about how little we really know. I just generally get irked when 'debunkers' start bashing

people for asking questions and actually wanting real answers

You aren't adding fuel to anything, rather you are picking at charred remains. Your claims are the same ones that have been proven false before. You are rehashing old (bad) information and outright falsehoods. The fact is Cheney was trying to have his people tie Saddam to 9/11 within a couple of days. Not to mention that the president can't (at least couldn't, who knows with the "Patriot Act") initiate a war without Congressional approval. Though, since your claims about Bush and anthrax are not cited there is really no point in discussing it.

As for "no wreckage" at the pentagon:

 

Please open your mind and look at the above links for the massive collection of evidence available. You are clearly missing the huge difference between 9/11 and the false flag operations that have happened before. WWII was entered (in part) because of Pearl Harbor, about which, again, the most one could claim is that we had a bit of a head's up.

 

Wow.. That's a nice pic of some scrap metal.. Shouldn't that be charred at least a little bit? that must be the most solid evidence ever LOL

 

Thanks for putting out the exact 'answers' I was just talking about though

I'll put an extra gold star on the board for ya

not to add fuel to the fire but they identified the pilot of the first plane to hit the WTC because his PAPER passport

survived a fiery explosion supposedly hot enough to melt steel and fell to the ground where it was discovered in

near perfect condition on the streets below. at least on other hijacker was identified by passport as well even

though that passport was actually discovered in TWO separate locations.

 

the official reason that there was no wreckage from the plane that hit the pentagon is that the intense heat from

the explosion completely vaporized the aircraft however hydrocarbons (jet fuel) burn at 2000 degrees and it

would require twice that to even melt let alone vaporize titanium. even though the entire plane was vaporized

forensics somehow managed to positively identify all but eight of the bodies?

 

bush signed the executive order to attack iraq september 10, 2001; the day before 911 and the entire white house staff was put on a drug used to fight anthrax just two weeks before that.

 

during the incident of 911 part of what slowed down the airforce response was that they were in the middle of

at least 7 exercises several of which included the EXACT SAME PLANES being hijacked

AT THE EXACT SAME TIME and flown at the EXACT SAME TARGETS AS THE REAL PLANES. go figure! we couldnt

respond to a 'one in a million' 'unimaginable' incident because we were to busy pretending it was happening?!?

WTF!?!

 

look up the gulf of tonkin(spelling?), SS Liberty, or go to CIA.GOV and look at operation AJAX where we

murdered women and children for political/economic gain. all of this is now publicly admitted so i would

put forward that if the US GOV is not responsible for 911 it might very well be the first time since the

american revolution that we didnt use a false flag operation to go to war.

 

there are lots more questions that should be answered but the only answer anyone ever seems to give is

how absurd it is to ask the question and how its already been 'debunked' so many times before. maybe if more people would stop dodging the questions and start answering them the issue could really be resolved.

hey all this seems like an interesting place so i thought i'd stop by for a bit.

i usually lurk more than post and sometimes enjoy playing devil's advocate just for chuckles.

If you can get past my blatant vanity and pointless sarcasm

you'll find im second in perfection only to chuck norris.

possibly third actually since the jury's still out on wether his beard counts for second place

due to an unexpected rash of round house kick related fatalities...