Sahaj Nath

oh yeah,

 

though i wish the last chapter never happened,

 

my standard textbook for all my students is The Healing Promise of Qi by Roger Jahnke. i reviewed it on amazon. you'll recognize my name.

 

 

 

and Todd,

 

i would have enjoyed a conversation with you. perhaps another time. on saturday i even had 'Hundun' written under my first name on the name tag, just so other tao bums would know who i am. if you ever want to chat, send me a message. i'll even call you or give you my number if you like. i try to be very approachable.

Hundun. It would help get a perspective on this if you could share with us your response to doing kunlun prior to the w/e, and also what practise you usually do, and for how long you have been doing this stuff.

It's helpful to hear different voices, and it's more helpful, if we know who is talking.

 

 

hmm... i've pretty much put it all out there in various threads, but i can try to give a sort of cliff's notes version.

 

 

 

my aim is the practice of life: for every breath to be an act of cultivation. i do have practices that i enjoy and i experiment all the time with different movements and postures, but i don't really believe any of them are very necessary. i like the way garripoli put it when he said qigong becomes a lexicon, a common language by which we communicate a universal truth. i like forms for their beauty more than anything else. most of the complete sets i know do a good job of opening up the meridians and gently loosening up the body.

 

a few of my favorites:

 

1.)wuji hundun. i think this is one of the most important foundational sets because a.) it opens the entire body, and b.) the freeform sensibility that's encouraged. only the first and last of the 18 movements are pretty static; the rest is supposed to be mixed up and played with a little differently each time. it encourages individual innovation and letting go of attachment to forms and systems. it thoroughly embraces the chaos in nature and subtly develops comfort with and acceptance of the unknown and the spontaneous.

 

unconditional acceptance can be cultivated through this approach. but it's the philosophy of it, moreso than the movements themselves, that first hooked me.

 

 

2.) wei tou qigong. not an easy system to find here in the states. not that easy to find in china, either. this is an entire system with 5 different sets (similar in design to 5-animal frolics, but VERY DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS). it's medical, martial, and spiritual, all in one. very good system for a disciplined, routine practice.

 

 

3.) shamanic tiger qigong. just beautiful! and powerful! very energizing in the fingertips. this form led to me employing the tiger palm in my healing work.

 

4.) wudan long men (dragon gate) qigong & nei gong. repetitive, so i tend to mix it up with wuji hundun for a more enjoyable practice.

 

5.)mt. emei shaking practice. lots of this. and tree stance. and cloud hands.

 

 

these are probably my top 5. i know dozens, and i teach most of them. i'm not authorized by anyone to teach, and i don't pretend to be. it's simply not necessary. i can pass a very effective transmission of energy to facilitate rapid development and healing. my transmission is stronger and more effective than a number of so-called masters out there, and this frustrates me because i don't think i'm all that far along in my development.

 

i'm really big on building a strong foundation with lots of stance, posture, and breath training. i'm also really big on keeping the tongue up! (something i think might have made a big difference in harmonizing the opening that cameron experienced.)

 

 

i study and play with tons of forms, but just so i can expand my movement vocabulary and eventually integrate what i learn into spontaneous practice. for me, that's the highest level of physical practice. plus it's fun to be able to learn from your own natural flow.

 

 

i first connected with yin qi in a conscious way when i was probably 9 years old. i didn't have a name for it or a way to intellectually relate to it, but it ignited my spiritual longing to a magnitude that couldn't just brush aside. at the age of 12 started spending many nights outside in fields and wooded areas (one of the few ways that i was fortunate to have a mother that was a shitty parent).

 

i didn't consciously recognize yang qi until a decade later, and that experience was equally organic. no teacher. no system. but i still didn't have a framework through which to understand or cultivate.

 

my first real teacher came a little more than 10 years ago, when i was about 20. he was a ninjitsu instructor and a reiki master. his control of the subtle nuances of the energy was very impressive. he had raw, natural talent, and every other reiki master i've met has been somewhat of a joke in comparison. but he didn't have the knowledge and was very unbalance. he was a power monger who manipulated and slept with his female students. i played his game and kissed his ass until i received everything he had to offer. he was the first validation that i ever got that what i was connecting with was real. so i ran with it until he couldn't teach me anything else and i left. very new-agey; even his ninjistu students, though they respected his skill, would laugh about how 'out there' and ridiculous he was. the nordic shaman-ninja-prince. lol! he wasn't a very talented healer, but his internal power was undeniable.

 

while i was "training" (i don't know that i would call it that) with him i met a qigong master who had no respect for reiki. this guy passed me a transmission that rendered me bed-ridden for nearly a week. it even temporarily shut down some of my opening that i had attained, like being able to send a stream of energy directly from my 3rd eye. it wasn't until much later that i discovered that it was a (partial) kundalini awakening and the physical and energetic adjustments went on in my body for the next two years. it would take too long to explain all of this, so i'm just gonna move on.

 

 

many other stories. brief time periods with masters of varying degrees of skill. other transmissions from other teachers, but after that transmission from the first qigong master i met, i didn't really need a physical teacher after that. i just needed technique and intuitive development in my practice.

 

i may post a few more articles about my approach. but the bottom line is it's very effective. people come to me and stick around because the results are real and because i don't make myself out to be more than what i am.

 

i've done lots of book work. read hundreds. i'm naturally gifted with the abstract and theoretical. i was naturally connected to the energy as a child before i knew what it was. i continue to study and seek more and more ways to improve my healing abilities (which sometimes gets in the way of my personal development). i've been effective at treating everything from depression to brain tumors. i'm even experimenting with a dog for the first time that has a heart tumor, and the results have been impressive. the owner of the dog subsequently became a patient AND a student.

 

i don't do flyers and i don't have a training center (though that will change in the next year). i work out of my home, i get students and patients by word of mouth, and i don't have any other job. i provide genuine service and authentic training, stripped of as much unnecessary filler as possible, and it subsidizes my spiritual life practice as i personally seek the highest levels.

Oh Goodness. How funny.

 

Thankyou Hundun.

I love the transcript bit.

Hundun- did you do the kunlun practise? How did you find it?

 

too early to say. the 'raising the heels' thing is a good technique, so i will be experimenting with it for the next few months using different postures.

Thanks for your review of Max's seminar.

This has been my "suspicion" upon reading of Camerons experience, so... matrix hacker? Perhaps. Master? Masters take time and insight into a students life. No offense here, I'm simply saying before you plug someone in to the outlet you gotta check the cord for cracks or shorts. That's common Practice.

Right on. I follow this as well and have been both dissapointed and rewarded. Face to face is the only way to go.

 

I have one question that has gone unanswered.

 

Being a practitioner of Taoist Arts, will Max touch hands?

 

Spectrum

 

 

yes. he touches hands.

 

i wasn't aware of there being a taboo about touching hands.

Not pissed at all bro!

 

This is a "Forum".

 

Let's think of the Taobums Taoist Discussion like the Place in Ancient Rome where people could talk freely and without fear or apprehension. Totally cool with me man! i am the first to admit I dont' know shit just sharing my experiences!

 

However..please refrain from critisizm of Max or Kunlun on my persnal cultivation journal.

 

Thanks,

 

Cam

 

 

fair enough. i can respect that.

 

and thanks.

okay,

 

i may as well get this over with...

 

 

i'm not writing this to make friends, so you're welcome to take issue with this if you like.

 

 

1.) he's NOT a lama

 

2.) he's NOT a taoist master

 

3.) he's not really a master at all!

 

4.) if he IS a master of something (anything), then i can only conclude that i surpassed the level of master a long time ago, and i really need to raise my prices!

 

 

 

i was actually shocked at how rank and superficial his knowledge base was. he will attract a number of new age people, as he IS one. HUGE leaps to our ancestries being from other planets and shit. reptilian races and shit. and, to be honest, i'm just crazy enough to go there if you can lay an effective groundwork. he offered none. only that we were a tight-knit group now that the "undesirables" had been weeded out the night before (someone leveled a challenge at him, and he blew much of his own credibility trying to respond/back-peddle), so he can now clue us in to his "crazy wisdom."

 

yeah, he really went there.

 

 

the short video clip on the front page of his website is about the extent of his depth.

 

for me to break down everything that was wrong with him and the seminar would take me hours, and i'm just not that committed. so i'm going to jump around a little bit:

 

 

he prefaces almost every questionable or unsupported statement with "my teachers taught me..." "my teachers said..." "my teachers would do..." and on and on and on. he leaned WAY too heavily on these inaccessible teachers for credibility. and keep in mind, he's all about following the teacher within.

 

lots of talk of clans and battles that seemed to go nowhere. other than maybe to entice you with being linked to this magnificent "lineage" so that his stories can now become your stories.

 

 

ridiculous contradictions, so many that i can't remember most of them. but it's okay. they're intentional. he's the coyote. the trickster.

 

you can eat whatever you want because energy is energy and the differences are illusion and kunlun activates the alchemical process so that he can even drink mercury without being affected.

 

BUT,

 

if you do kunlun you should probably eat meat on a regular basis because it will help to ground you.

 

 

i asked him at the free lecture if he could explain to me the distinction between magnetism and qi, as i had learned that the magnetism aspect is more yin and the electrical aspect is more yang. these are his exact words:

 

"well, in mao shan we're taught that when the yin and yang- electrical in the body- we call it... say you look at yoga. you have the sun & moon channels- what happens is, you have the yin & yang, you're breathing in and out. when those collapse from practicing, the outer breath disappears, the inner breath becomes apparent. the sushumna, the central channel becomes activated. in mao shan they say "the secret of the golden flower." and to practice, what you do is like this (makes a hand mudra). and the mao shan daoists they'll have a certain sound and visualization for each one. and they hold this posture- this is the first thing that they do. when you practice the secret of the golden flower this is what the mao shan [daoists] are practicing.

 

now, with this type of practice you might save 3-5 years if you did just the mao shan..."

 

this was his response to my question. WORD FOR WORD.

 

he said more, but it didn't get any better, and i don't feel like transcribing the rest of it.

 

i hope you get the idea.

 

 

after the lecture i introduced myself the chris (mantra) and told him that i wasn't sure my question was answered. he at least gave me a coherent response, but he didn't really know, so, of course, he asked his teacher to explain it. and again, max is all over the place EXCEPT where my question is leading. so chris sort of cut him off (respectfully) and reiterated what the question was. he didn't really have an answer. what it came down to was what he said above: that he sees the electrical energy as qi and the magnetic energy as... well... something else.

 

 

yeah. taoist master my ass.

 

 

are the techniques effective? yes. they can be. but moreso than any other system? no.

 

and cameron (though i'm sure he might be pissed at me for making this post) was correct about max's approach to teaching the red phoenix being irresponsible. it's a down-right dangerous practice unless you're NOT developed enough to really move the energy. and even then, it's a dubious practice.

 

 

so what happened with cameron? well, here's my opinion:

 

cameron was torn between which master he was going to see prior to attending the LA workshop. my guess is that had cameron saw the other guy and had the other guy given a direct transmission, cam probably would have experienced the same (or at least a very similar) awakening. cameron wasn't very far from opening those floodgates on his own. and i got the impression that max had never dealt with anyone who had openned up so radically before.

 

 

i can't help but feel like maybe chris "created" max. chris definitely the intelligent, man behind the scene (or behind the curtain) guy.

 

ALSO:

 

max claims that his "wisdom eye" is so developed that he's unable to drive because he sees too much. yet he was completely unaware of the energy i was flowing. a couple of people at the seminar and, later, one of his own assistants commented on it and wondered about my level. yet in our private session everything he shared with me was as if i were a novice. his transmission was hardly noticeable, though it doesn't take much to awake a soul that's ripe. he certainly knows a few tricks, but in my opinion he's no master.

 

they're running a business. a workshop business. and the quality and organization could use some serious work.

 

 

i have a LOT MORE to say, but i'm kinda tired of writing right now.

 

i welcome questions.

 

 

and just for the record:

 

i'm not trying to just tear this guy down. i payed $450 for the workshop and the private session. even after the horrible screw-ups in the free lecture on friday, i chose and even encouraged others who were put off to give it a shot anyway. it's just money. and maybe he doesn't have the knowledge, but if he has the abilities, it doesn't matter much.

 

i'm glad i went. i honestly don't care about the money that much. he has great charisma. unfortunately there's not much behind it.

 

 

the reason the movie trailer emphasizes all the wrong things is because there isn't much of real substance to lean on.

 

my students are more skilled than his, and i'm not even close to being a master of anything.

 

 

oh, and he's not enlightened. not even close. he's like an eclectic peyote tripper from the seventies, one of those self-proclaimed gurus who damaged a lot of people with their methods. sure, you might experience something, but NONE of if proves any of the stuff that comes out o his mouth.

 

 

1 hour = 100 years? are you stoned?

 

 

anyway, that's my honest opinion.

i just got back home from the SF workshop.

 

 

it's about 11:50am, so the workshop is actually still going on. *hint*

 

 

 

i need to rest up for a little bit, do some writing, and catch up with my students.

 

 

then i will give my honest take of Max's skill and the methods and all that good stuff.

I haven't done the research, so you can totally ignore me if you like. Western medicine seems to be fairly effective for most things, but then again I've been taught to trust western medicine, so maybe I'm just biased. It seems like Chinese medicine does a better job of harnessing the body's natural healing powers while western medicine is all about killing the disease. Seems like they both could learn a thing or two from each other.

 

 

your perspective is a reasonable one. western medicine IS effective with a number of illnesses and diseases, but not even close to being able to say "most things." but then, a large part of it may depend on your definition of "effective."

 

lin gave a really good analogy with headaches as an example. the headache (ie, illness) remains, but if you take this drug you won't have to feel it. this attitude of "kill the effect; ignore the cause" is a recipe for chronic illness of pandemic proportions.

 

the way it's typically broken down is that western medicine is excellent for the treatment of acute illness, whereas eastern medicine excels in the realm of chronic illnesses. if you have a hernia, a broken leg, or a ruptured spleen, stay with the west. but if you have hypertension, tumors, or cancer, go with the east.

 

so they have their domains in which they tend to be most effective, and of course there's lots of overlap.

 

BUT...

 

when pharmaceutical lobbyists have the power to sway policy decisions (and they do. and they have.), you end up with a medical paradigm that promotes disease maintenance over actual cures.

 

 

"because the money's not in the cure; the money's in the medicine. in the comeback. that's how a drug dealer makes his money: on the comeback."

 

--chris rock

 

 

never thought i'd quote him, but he made a good point.

 

 

 

"kill the disease" typically means "poison the body," so our "cures," in effect, are actually creating diseases. but the goal is for THOSE diseases, the ones created by the so-called cure, to be manageable.

 

TCM will take a more holistic approach. rather than merely repairing or patching up what's broken, part of the goal is to understand how it got broken in the first place.

 

not only that, but TCM acknowledges that the body, when properly supported, can create it's own miracle cures, whereas western medicine tends to hurt the body while trying to k or numb it.

 

 

western vs. eastern = "attack the disease" vs. "enhance the righteous"

There will probably be alot of western medical drs. here who will disagree with me. I am not attacking them at all.

 

My views on your statement "imagine the curing of disease as a plot to prevent the spiritual evolution of humanity. we never release our baggage because our karmic cycles are never allowed to balance themselves. we could be set back many lifetimes."

 

The govs. of this world know that TODAY'S Western Medical Science is really not out for curing people. It keeps people on drugs, never giving a response to curing a disease straight and direct. Research centers for diseases for 40 yrs, but no cures for them.

Prescription medicine designed to give you a problem you never had, and or emphasize the problem you already have. Diseases in the world didn't appear out of the blue. Like Aids, SARS, and the some of the diseases people take vaccinations for were created to make people sick, lessen the population, and keep people controlled.

China has diseases and health problems it never had...and those problems resemble what western countries have. China is a wonderful market. Pharmaceutical companies make a killing out here. And people ae getting sicker and sicker by the minute, and believe Chinese medicine to not work at all! Can you believe that? Chinese people in China, disbelieve their own medicine, and claim western medicine to be better because when they swallow a pill their headache goes away...until they have another headache. They keep having headaches and keep popping pills, and say western med is good. BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE HEADACHE! hahaha The dumbing down of society is prevelent in China. They got it good.

The powers that be promote a medicine that will not cure anything and hasn't cured anything completely, without harmful sideeffects, and a life long of taking medicine, since the corporations took control. Western medicine did work..when it was still using herbal medicine...complete herbal medicine.

 

This is one of the influences on our lives, where our karmic afflictions are never cleared out, and we are stuck in our own delusion from it all for eons.

 

This is what I meant.. lol... I am sure many will disagree. No one has to believe me. The proof is in the pudding. And the Pudding is Earth's society.

 

Peace and Blessings,

Lin

 

well, i agree. proceedures and pills that keep us producing dead capital out of labor within well-defined boxes, designed to look like freedom.

Personally, I try to form my own opinions based upon personal research - not mass rhetoric.

 

--then do some real research and then get back to me. ms. magazine didn't corner the market of sexual assault stats.

 

i've done the research. i've been out of the academic loop for a few years now, but i used to teach policy analysis and research methods, not to mention social theory, which included feminism (and not just the anglo variety).

 

if you really want to throw down on this, we should probably start a separate thread, or take this off the board completely.

 

 

 

here's what i can state without digging into my research files:

 

the vast majority of my friends are women. of them, i know maybe 2 who have NOT experienced some form of sexual assault. (btw: the stats i'm referencing weren't rape stats; they were sexual assault stats. kinda hard to do credible research if you're conflating terms.)

 

 

the fact that a woman might be dating someone who once assaulted her occurs for a number of reasons. you're jumping to unsupported conclusions from that data, which is what the author is hoping for. that's the very definition of bogus research.

 

same goes for the "were not aware they had been raped" statement. many girls still feel like if they were too afraid or too drunk or for whatever reason failed to vocalize a "no," then it doesn't count as rape. THIS is one of the many reasons why the work of feminism is so important.

 

 

i'm just gonna leave at that for the time being.

 

 

if you want to go there, we can go there.

 

 

we can dialog or we can debate.

Just curious about how many bums will be attending, besides me. ???

 

 

i'll be there. but you probably already knew that.

I might as well be straight forward about this, I'm a bit of a Japanophile. I love the language, history, flashy technology, super convenient public transportation, videogames, anime, karaoke, martial arts, Japanese food, sense of community and loyalty, love for all things cute, etc. Yes, I know Japan has a dark side too, conformity to authority over individuality can lead to unfairness, there's a general distrust of foreigners, pornography is everywhere, politeness is often just for show, and the language can be frustratingly ambiguous. Nevertheless I am drawn to Japan, so much so that I'm considering living there permanently, or at least for several years, and I'm also drawn to the idea of marrying a Japanese girl. So I've been looking around at dating and matching sites and found this little gem. I laughed so hard when I read this. This site is all about capitalizing on the "submissive Asian woman" stereotype.

 

http://www.nomarriage.com/x/japanesewife.html

 

Nothing against American women, but I've always had trouble connecting with them and I think this radical feminism described here has something to do with it. Although, I'm sure a lot of it is just in my own head too. Still, the only serious relationship I've been able to have in my life so far was with a German girl. I've always been frustrated by situations where women or minorities automatically get the moral high ground because they feel they've been "oppressed" or "discriminated against" when really they just want special treatment. Anyways, *steps off angst-filled white boy soap box* just curious, does anyone have any advice, experience or amusing anecdotes about cross-cultural relationships?

 

 

maybe it's just me, but this post aggravated me a bit.

 

 

i spent the better part of last night a student of mine (a white guy) crying and confused about what to do for his girlfriend (an asian girl) who a few nights ago shared that she had been molested by her father years ago and her mother didn't believe her.

 

 

i'm sure you didn't mean to come across the way that this post hits me (and i'm not really sure why a post like this is even here), but you really have no idea what any woman you meet has been through.

 

"oppressed" and "discriminated against" aren't words that do a very good job of shedding light on the fact that 1 in 3 women on college campuses have been sexually assaulted at some point in their lifetime. and that's just women who come forward and say something. it's very possible that over half the female population has been assaulted but us men who have the privilege of just not getting what the problem is. how convenient, given that WE seem to be the problem.

 

feminism didn't create the problems; it created empowerment to combat the problems.

 

i don't even want to follow the link.

 

 

i'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive with your post, but this offends me.

hehehe

 

Living in a cave, leaving the home life...its never leaving the world at all or even being cut off.

One's mind cannot be cut off from the world. It is the views of the world that we hold which result in an experience of separation.

A left home person, in a cave, or temple, still has their mind and all their habits and thoughts, desires, demons within and without. Those things are in the world, and made from people. So there is much to work with when left home...one is really never cut from the usual living of society. Leaving home makes it a bit easier to cultivate...without the daily distractions of a family person.

 

The cultivation to transform the mind through putting down is not at all easy. The cultivating itself is the pathway which leads to wisdom at each step of the way. Leaving the home life allows one to concentrate fully on their cultivation, attain pure and complete wisdom withotu other distractions but their own mind, and either come back to lay life to reach people in different manners, or stay a monk and walk into society with 84,000expedients to work from for living beings.... haha

 

The cultivating is the practice of developing wisdom. Staying in the societal environment allows one to have all different stimuli for the mind, and makes fro good cultivation, but it would be a bit difficult if the person is unsure of many things, falls to deeply into confusion, greed, anger, ignorance, desire, etc. Either a teacher is needed, and or a long time to realize certain results.

 

YET, not everyone who leaves the home life attains complete and pure enlightenment in one lifetime. They are still human and have their mind to work through, which is basically the world. They can make mistakes and often do

 

Leaving the home life, or staying a lay cultivator is basically similar in a great percentage. One of the many differences is the environment for cultivation. There are many more, but this one is good for now.

 

Peace and Blessings,

Lin

 

 

keep in mind:

 

you're responding to someone who DID leave home to live in a cave for a while! you're sort of preaching to the choir.

 

i understand (better than most) that no matter where i go, there will be my mind to deal with. but truth be told, i'm not advanced enough to cultivate at the highest levels while remaining in the world. i don't have a teacher.

This statement is 100% true of our world today.

 

Peace and Blessings,

Lin

 

 

 

you're definitely gonna have to explain your perspective.

 

there was a time when i would agonize over this issue, but not any longer. i'm open to reconsider, as always, but i'll need you to break down your perspective.

 

 

the way i see it, only someone who's never done authentic healing work could reach such a conclusion. it seems a short-sighted and materialistic assumption. i mean, enlightenment is itself an achievement of healing- the highest form of healing, i would say. it's not just the body that's affected; it's the entire being. people who come to me for physical ailments receive mental & emotional breakthroughs as well, and many have wholly transcendental experiences that forever change the way they view the world and their place in it. it's not like using some form of spiritual 'white-out' to erase past choices and transgressions.

 

besides, to take such a perspective is to assume that the energy worker is the healer when, in fact, it's the patient who is the healer. the energy worker is merely the catalyst for the patient's own subtle inclinations. and oftentimes the results are something that neither person expects.

 

 

your thoughts?

 

 

I think it is a mistake to go live in a cave or drop out of the world to let these experiences take over, except in two situations--first, if one is under the direct tutelage of a trusted teacher, or if a person is over sixty and has grown wise in the ways of his or her chosen path. I think interacting with the world and the daily grind are the best instructors one can have while pursuing these sorts of experiences. They keep a person grounded and suffering. With grounding comes balance and with suffering comes depth, the capacity to take more in.

 

That's not to say that a person going through these sorts of experiences can just be social all the time. Some solitude is necessary. But throughout history, most monastic communities, even the most cloistered, had monks doing mundane daily labor, hard work.

 

And it certainly can be disruptive to friendships and family connections! All of my old friends have fallen away, thinking me nuts. My marriage ended. So those sorts of things might change.

 

 

i think you make some great points here, witch.

 

although i partially disagree about it being a mistake to live in a cave; back in 2004 i did exactly that for 4 1/2 months. obviously i came back, but i'm fairly certain that i will do it again at some point, and likely for a longer period of time.

 

but i think you're probably talking about abandoning the world forever being a bad idea, in which case i agree with you (obviously. i came back.).

 

 

"with grounding comes balance and with suffering comes depth, the capacity to take more in."

 

 

i like how you put this. there's a lot of legitimacy to this.

 

daily menial labor is something i'm only now learning to embrace.

 

i may write more in this later.

 

when you can look back evenly and see that your "sacrifice" was just a choice you made. then. is good.

a luxury that defined you.

so now maybe even say, what an idiot i was, with my high morals..or even better: it applied to my situation and my personal drama, it may be different for you.. love this one that made the choice and feel how graceful it was that you had a choice?

 

...

 

is there some middle ground that can actually take one all the way? can high-level transmissions be congruent with someone who walks fairly evenly in both worlds?

 

in one lifetime? :smiles: no idea, but i still believe so, do you? how "crazy" are you alowing your self to be?

madhattercrazy?

 

frankly i am wondering all the same things..but

aren't we just diverting from the original cue "it is the only thing worth doing"

why even ponder such thoughts like "job done"?

 

............i don't know, you just made me think.

 

 

diverting from the original cue....

 

wow. that's it. i've been saying that line for years, but you just made the truth of "living" it click for me in a new way.

 

thank you, my lucid one.

 

 

oh, and to clarify.

 

drown = die

 

bad poetry. that's all.

 

 

and [people] think these are metaphors.

i speak what i see.

all words and worlds

are metaphors of me.

 

--saul williams

first memory, 4 years old, the island by my grandparents grave, sulking "i don't like everybody"..

a spiritual encounter with nature and fear prompted by the dissolving of self.

14. poetry. existensialism. surrealism. art. please let go of me.

judo intentionally chosen because it was a sport

then yoga. 1979. she's a little strange.

friends, love, college, music, love, friends, university, love, party, job friends, party, study, clubbing, study, job. dreamwork, regression. healing. being in the woods hurt my head, walking in the mountains made my whole body ache. going to family reunions was nightmare. my father forgive them, they don't know what they're doing. head 360 dgr mental spin. i have to get down. understanding my mothers life and line, seing my fathers life and line, our family. wiser.

yin yang. object subject. new education.

a little bit older a little bit more confused.

 

more yoga. meditation. new education. no job. art. kundalinirise, job. no job. art. job. love.

pregnant. who shut my brain off? down. earth. silence. no sleep. secondary in own life. bliss. little things.

i have to use my hands. art. bodywork. crying. energy blocks removed. "breathe bitch". work. breathe.

everyday love, passion, hate. fight, you tricked me. compassion, love. forgive me for i've sinned. i promised myself i would not do as my parents, now i am right here repating it all, forgive me. art. slower slower slower. martial art. i finally start laughing again. i am an idiot. hahahahaha. qigong. yoga. meditation. jing. shen. physical. work. routines. caring for my old folks. discipline. bodywork. silence.

 

silence

 

"you look so good, not your age at all"

ahh well...sigh..... i'm working on it..

 

 

damn, rain.

 

i think i just fell in love.

"Love is the Law, Love under Will."

 

What does this mean?

 

discuss.

 

 

once upon a time, i was a friend of the Ordo Templi Orientis.

 

 

for me to answer would be kind of like cheating. but i do wonder what others think.

this isn't exactly discussing the topic, but i went to jeannie's website, and i think i love her. usually i would come across a site like that and i would dismiss the owner as some new-age airy-fairy type, but i really like what i feel from her.

 

just wanted to share.

 

 

to answer your question about what to do when off the hook for everything:

 

learn, explore, discover,

 

create, enjoy, and most of all, love.

 

 

to me, these are what it means to live.

the more i read through topics and subjects on spirituality in general i never find things for people in my age bracket. what age did you all begin to be "spiritual"? i've wanted to visit china since i could remember and was always interested in their lifestyle and meditation as well. i physically tried meditating around 15-16 and i've been jumping around since. not that it's been that long ago as i'm only 17 now. it feels as if i'm in this boat alone, eh?

 

a concern about my age comes with the seminars and workshops to... in another 3 months or so i will have completed my half a year vow to only practice my meditation and wall gazing. i wish to attend (wishful thinking here) a kunlun seminar or workshop after. the idea of being 17 years old in a workshop with people 25+ seems to not add up to well in my head.

 

 

we seem to be at odds more often than aligned on this board, no doubt unnecessarily.

 

my spiritual seeking began at age 9, i think. the deep and serious longing which led to me to eventually spending night after night wandering open fields at the age of 12.

 

i had always wished that i would find some adult out there, just one night, who understood what i was drawn to and could explain it to me.

 

that never happened.

 

 

now part of my personal mission is to be that guy that i was looking for as a child.

 

and about kunlun:

 

 

who gives a shit! seriously. you're there for you, and you might get more out of it than all of those 25+ people combined! most of the people there will be wishing that they'd begun their journey as early as you did. i promise you.

 

 

my only criticism is that i think you're too young to start closing your mind by making absolute claims about what you believe at this point. i don't think that can do anything but hurt your development.

 

but besides that, it should be fairly obvious that i've (for whatever reason) taken a liking to you. i hope to see you evolve and blow right past all of us who might intimidate you right now with our rhetoric. but for that to happen your mind has to remain open.

 

i'm 32, and i still try to do my best not to make absolute claims. always open to reconsider all things.

First of all, "White" and "Black" don't have the same connotation in Tibet as in Europe, when speaking about magic. According to my memory, in Tibet you have four colours of magic, three additional ones to black. None of them are polarized into good and evil as in our western traditions.

 

All the best

Mandrake

 

 

i'm inclined to agree with mandrake.

 

 

but to answer your question, "what is black magic?"

 

i think it depends on the context.

 

 

in many western mystery schools, any art dealing with the esoteric can be termed the 'dark arts.' dark as in 'unknown' or 'secret.'

 

i personally like aleister crowley's definition: that black magick is any magick that's not for the explicit purpose of awakening. any magickal act which doesn't move toward enlightenment further entrenches endarkenment. i think that was his reasoning if i remember correctly. like the trappings of developing abilities. even the cultivation of my healing abilities can be viewed as black magick, and it helps me to keep perspective when i consider it in that light. some tibetan masters actually consider healing work to be evil because they believe it prevents the soul of the afflicted from receiving the purification of the pain and suffering that their past choices have brought them to. obviously i disagree. but it's worth pondering, i think.

 

imagine the curing of disease as a plot to prevent the spiritual evolution of humanity. we never release our baggage because our karmic cycles are never allowed to balance themselves. we could be set back many lifetimes.

Nice.

 

What I will do is just the "closing down" part with hands voer navel for 40 minutes every morning.

 

And most definetly schedule another private with Max.

 

See you in Nov.

 

Cam

 

so THERE you are, Cameron!

 

=)

 

 

it's nice to see your face.

 

maybe i'll post a pic of myself at some point.

 

 

probably not until i meet some bums in person, though.

he says this state but it doesn't mean we aren't already in it. it is that which burns forever.

 

 

you're splitting hairs, in my opinion.

 

of course the state is eternally present. no one argues that. i certainly don't. but at this very moment i understand that i'm not conscious of it.

 

i think it's implied in the term "awakening" that the truth you awaken to was already there.

 

 

but if you don't like the word, fine. we can call it something else.

 

 

i don't know. it just seems to me like you're arguing semantics. or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. if you're making a serious point, i'm still waiting for you to explain it.

awakening doesn't exist, it's been said before.

 

 

this statement, at least to me, seems to contradict your signature quote on the bottom of your posts.

 

 

 

there is no you or me in this state

 

there is only a flame without smoke

 

 

maybe you can explain what it is about this quote that speaks to you.

 

 

i don't know what j. krishnamurti calls it, but i think he's talking about that word which doesn't exist.

i truly believe having no orgasms at all will just result in nocturnal emissions. as humans we are horny by nature, if you tell your body "no" it will tell you "yes" when "you" are asleep. simple as that.

 

i don't know how common this is, but i've never had a nocturnal emission. even when first going through puberty, no highly erotic dreams which led to ejaculation.

 

perhaps it's still a matter of mindset, even when asleep. if you're just suppressing your urge, then it would make sense that it will try to express itself when the conscious mind is not standing guard. however, if you've worked sufficiently to the point where you've actually refined/redirected your sexual desire into greater spiritual aspiration or what have you, then you're not fighting against your body's nature; you're just expressing that nature in a different, possibly more advantageous manner.