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And I will never question that this is what those people actually believe. No, I have no desire to be bursting other people's balloons.

 

My only purpose in posting in threads like this is to hopefully cause someone to stop and think - think if those things they believe in are actually helping them live their life in a better form or is what they believe actually preventing them from living their life to the fullest.

 

Our illusions and delusions should be such that they help us through our life. If they don't do that then I would suggest that the illusions and delusions be trashed and new way of dealing with our reality be found.

 

Believing in the Easter Bunny does not harm as far as I can tell. But believing that a space ship is coming to take you to a world of peace and eternal life but you have to kill yourself before the ship gets here is just wrong in so many ways.

 

Peace & Love!

In the cases Im talking about, where things get a little more believable, the experiences in hypnosis are actually contrary to their beliefs. they could be engineers or really skeptically natured people . but they experience their reality differently under hypnosis and see another side to their feelings. Often times its one of many types of fragmentation and it becomes like a process of soul retrieval. Ive never heard of anyone finding out they're Cleopatra. It's more likely to be a great fear which clairifies into someone freezing to death or a 3 year old who doesn't know what s going on except that their village burned down and then they die. that sort of thing. If handled right it could be an end to a driving force of a problem behavior because the emotional energy involved had to go somewhere.

that being said Im definitely in the never do past life regression on purpose school.

some good insider books on this are the Unquiet Dead by Dr Edith Fiore and Spirit Releasement Therapy by William Baldwin PhD

Who says they are "past" lives? It looks like only because we are looking from a linear perspective. Do you think the trillions of moments you lived before "right now" gone? They are still right here with you, making "you" as you are. Isn't it wonderful?

that would make sense to me since when people are in revivification under hypnosis they are not re experiencing it like a memory but are often experiencing it for the first time.

from transcripts and recordings Iv'e heard when entities are encountered, and speaking through the client they are speaking from their 'now' which may be in the 1400s or whenever.

I've had people in hypnosis recall previous lives as well as an in-between state prior to birth but I've never felt comfortable offering it as a service.

I think because hypnosis is a heightened state of suggestibility, to go into hypnosis with the idea of going back to a past life is very leading in itself, so things get hairy fast. Its when they dont even know an age regression is coming (let alone PLR) its a lot more believable and effective. I do think its possible to get real info like in that video if things are done in a nice clean way though.

It also could be another entity attached that has the memories of the past and then you'd have to do a spirit releasement.

I had an idea a few years ago to setup a gambling site where you could be on when the world will end. The winner gets all the money!

 

And since the world would've ended by then, I'd just spend all the bets on paying off my bills

 

lol reminds me of http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

to believe is to not know.

between 1.5 to 3 hours a day since 94 (closer to 3). Im sure I missed a few saturdays or a weekend here and there if I was busy elsewhere. I suppose the max would be 8 hours overnight when I doing lots of Kriya and for a while I did weekly 6 hour stretches in a group setting. I no longer force myself to be that exact with time and have taken a long break from pranayama type techniques. Sitting itself has become so ingrained as a habit I would feel like something is missing if I dont get a chance to. thankfully Im finally starting to get that way with physical exercise, where I miss it if I don't do it.

I've treated people for smoking with hypnosis. the vast majority of smokers use smoking as a distraction from a feeling imo.

I failed at quitting myself many times over many years until i understood this. deal directly with your feelings.. feeling bored, stressed, angry or frustrated allow your self to feel these things and take back your energy instead of recoiling for a smoke (emotions are pure motivational energy). Smoking is very effective at temporarily numbing certain feelings.

after you detox your system these inner feelings will try to trick you into thinking they themselves are an urge for tobacco but in reality they are feelings you don't like and are unrelated to smoking. getting irritable while driving was a big one for me.

get into a physical activity that doesn't go well with smoking and don't look back. running is pretty awesome for that, it has many benefits to focus and cognition which some people depend on tobacco for.

Does it matter?

not if one's basic needs aren't being met. but it does to me

Who is watching?

good question. I guess I am in this case

When you see through the conditioning of the senses and see beyond being conditioned by your history, you will then see the now as it is, beyond the senses.

I'd like to believe that but it seems just being alive and having a mortal frame at all would cast an inherent bias or limitation on perception of reality. I can imagine how it could be much much clearer but not 100% exactly how things are imho

this is probably an odd question. but it has been bothering me lately. actually on and off for over a decade since reading patanjali's yoga sutras.

isn't every perceptual experience we have time-lagged away from the the present moment at least to some degree?

every sensation, sound, feeling, thought, memory, dream, vision, 3rd eye light in the head, heart opening, kundalini stirring, or awareness itself has to take the time to fire neurons and travel our nervous system before it can processed into an experience and perceived, no? even if that time lag is best case scenario only .000000001 of a nanosecond

so can the present truly be experienced in an absolute sense if it ceases to be the present by the time it becomes awareness?

sure the present probably exists, and we can be doing things in it. but in the sense a unit of perception experienced via a human body, aren't we always looking into the past, whether its at a distant star that no longer exists, watching our breath, or psychically experiencing something that is ever so slightly offset due to the mechanism of our own neurology?

you can be looking at a unit of perception in the present, but isn't the unit of perception to at least some degree offset from the actual present?

have you tried exercizing it the other way? stretching the jaw by opening wide on all sides and the front, should help relieve some tension just as strecthing would in other muscles that feel wound up. this is something that is suggested to people with bruxism (teeth grinding)

 

Quite effortless and effective..will have to make that habitual.other helpful exercises would also be appreciated.

Thanks for this, I felt a deep love in the center of my chest reading the entire post.

 

This is exactly what I've been doing over the years. Thanks for giving it genuineness.

great to hear & likewise. the resonance thing was a quantum leap for me. alot of these techniques evolved alot over the last century thanks to contributions form some of the great practitioners , gerald kein, dave elman, gil boyne, harry arrons, cal banyan (more recently). even the instant inductions from the early stage hypnotists help greatly to free up the time to even do this stuff in sessions. Its hard to say exactly where it comes from as so much is borrowed and passed along in modified form.

This seems to happen a lot. How does one integrate the wise adult with the hurt child? As the hurt child still has control over a lot of the overreacting in the really let-go-able moment?

in a session theres a formal way of putting them back together, placing the child into the heart of the client with the knowing that they share eachother's feelings and the individual's responsibility to be there for that part/child/fragment. If the child can be made to feel safe and not so disturbed then it should be pretty seamless.

After the child is informed of certain key things by the grown up, usually things like: its not gonna die, it gets to grow up, theres nothing wrong with them, the abuser they trusted is unworthy of that trust and actually an asshole etc. the emotional resonance from the past is collapsed and future reactions/emotions will be more in proportion with reality.

Someone on their own could reach into the past through an emotion to that part. get a sense of how old it is, tell it some things it needs to know that would have made the situation less traumatic and you should notice a movement of energy that would feel very healing.

Can the process of re interpretation go wrong? Instead of overreaction, what if it was an "under" reaction, thereby creating an adverse effect?

 

Or does the person take your interpretation to erase out his/her own negative associations with the memory?

ok I didnt see your clairification

the overreaction happens in the present as a result of the past. its an over reaction because its like theres a stack of past events impinging on the present

an under reaction.. in the initial event (in the past) would be like someone for whatever reason, not being allowed to express an emotion but instead stuffing away. It would still resonate into the present and be a problem yeah. maybe it would be more like an inverted waveform idk still traceable though

no they dont actually take my interpretation.. the psyche of the client is split into grown up and child/part /fragment. that grown up part of them informs the child part what it wishes it would have known.

Can the process of re interpretation go wrong?

how do mean go wrong? with age regression in general?

I suppose theres a lot of things that could go wrong or be less than ideal. theres certain training required to do this work, otherwise regressions/ abreactions shouldnt be attempted. If they are not that insightfull, they could run out of the room without having it all properly tied together, and then be angry at the one who took them there. theres good and bad places to segue into wrapping up the session in the aloted time and have it feel complete even if theres more work to do. You wouldn't want to leave them feeling all crappy. Touching at the wrong time could be bad and anchor those feelings to a touch.

theres other things to be ready for. There could be Spirit attachments may require some release protocol.. michael baldwin phd wrote extenively on spirit releasement. The source might not originate in this life but you might not want to spend time going indefinitely through past lives so would have to make a good judgement where to do the informing.

That being said its not brain surgury. Even without proper reframing of the event and informing of the child, I think any release of emotion and catharsis is a step in the direction of healing. in the old days some regressionists would just go through the event over and over until the charge wore off and the 'part' wansn't so strongly affected. nowadays that's more of a plan b and only if the fragment that experienced the trauma is 100% resistant to information from the grown up.

not sure if that answers the question.

What is the most effective way of dealing with past scars and attachments?

 

Re-interpretation? Forgive and forget?

 

What exactly is the past? How does is leave its imprints? Why do we hold on to them?

everything that has ever happened to us is always happening to us. strong emotion is like a time tunnel

its physics/resonance.. just like an AM radio wave or a piano making guitar strings vibrate in the same room. the emotion being the energy or carrier signal for the personalized content. I think it fits well with the concept of time not really existing.

only in this case the strong emotion of the past event, for all intents and purposes, broadcasts through time and resonates with the present via the material in our bodies.

In my practice I take people back in deep hypnosis and vividly re experience the event, Once it emerges I give the child (sort of a fractured soul part for lack of a better term) what it needs to know to get through the event without picking up the misperception that cascades into the present as an overreaction. when we put them back together the feeling as it was located in the body is gone. Sort of like soul retrieval only the client really does most of the legwork.

so yeah it would be reinterpretataion or reality check. the initial event is almost never consciously remembered.

Cal Banyan's 'secret language of feelings' book is really good for understanding the purpose of emotion if one has difficulty with it.

I havent been to the seminar or even read the book yet, but I'll venture to guess what is meant by 2 pt from some people Ive spoken with who are into it.

my wild guess on a version of 2 point:

if you put your awareness into the point of each finger separated at different points in space (for example) and play around until you feel a tug in one of them you've made the two one. you've allowed part of your singular awareness to experiencing those 2 points at once, which is perhaps like opening a 'quantum' field and the intention is dropped into it.

Ive actually had some wierd things happen playing around with this. But I wouldn't imagine my description to be that close what is taught in the workshop.

Dr Bartlet's background doent list hypnosis or NLP but there's 2 blatant ericksonian hypnosis patterns in the main promo video on their website..

an impressive confusion line:

"Its not about unconfusing you , its about infusing you with something that feels confusing but is just naturally right. when you are confused you actually start to learn stuff"

(confusion techniques cause a transderivational search for meaning, usefull in inductions for trance work by overloading the dominant hemisphere of the brain and suggestions slip right past the gatekeeper)

also:

"most of you may not be aware of the pressure of the feet in your shoes and the way your feet imprint the carpet until I mention it"

-an example of pacing and leading and then he even goes on to talk about deletion, another Ericksonian/NLP tactic.

with those two glaring hypnotic techniques in just a 6 minute promo video I can only imagine the workshop must be structured and laced with hypnotic language patterns intended to create a poewerfull group trance. Im not judging it as a bad thing or unethical considering he's trying to bring a lot of people toward wholeness. If it really works then great.

"may you live in interesting times" as an ancient chinese curse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_...teresting_times

to be technical there is a difference between hypnosis and trance.. you can have trance without hypnosis but you can't have hypnosis without trance

hypnosis by definition, (the bypass of the critical factor and establishment of selective thinking) is simply a heightened state of suggestibility.

It's therefore not defined by any subjective sensations. (though these can certaintly be used to your advantage as a sort of feedback loop) hypnosis has nothing to do with relaxation or feeling sleepy and doesnt actually 'feel' like anything. where it takes you would therfore have everything to do with what is suggested and the profoundness of the depth of suggestability. You can be shocked into hypnosis just as easily as you can be relaxed into it. perhaps even quicker.

If fairly skeptical of brainwaves being applied to hypnosis (alpha, theta etc) because in my practice, when we get into forgiveness therapies (using a version of fritz pearlz chair therapy) and strong emotion is released and the client, who has passed a test for a deep somnambulistic hypnotic trance, with a lot of physical force pounds their rage into a pillow then follows a suggestion to "be the offender" (hallucinating) in their lives who might then then dramaticly beg for understanding out of the clients mouth, I doubt is in any one particular brainwave state.

same goes for age regressions (not talking about timeline therapy) when they are truly revivifying an event, hallucinating it 'as if it is happening all over again', their brainwaves are more than likely synced up with whatever their frequency when the event initialy occured.

3 years ago I passed through a heavy curtain that was used as a room divider once but I didnt actually know it was there. it was day 3 of a water/juice fast and simultaneous ghetto DIY 'darkness retreat' intended to to induce visions and internal dmt flow. We used polystyrate boards and duct tape to darken all the windows on the second floor. I had been practicing kriya yoga for a pretty long time, I think 11 years by then. but I dont think that had much to do with it but who knows.

the thing was we had to do stuff on the first floor at times which was not completely darkened so we used blindfolds when we had to pass through the non-darkened space.

what happened was as I was feeling my way around through the space, I thought I was feeling some computer equipment in one room, when in fact I had my hands on some home stereo equipment in the adjoining room.

tactile sensations being vastly heightened at day 3 in the dark, there no way I could have made it into the other room and drawn the curtain around me without realizing it. even if I had made it to the edge where it met the wall, the curtains presence would have been unmistakable and I would have had to manually pull it around me and pass through. Had I met it anywhere else, I would've had to reach down to the floor and pull it over me.

The effect for me was that I seemed to have teleported 10-12 feet but now think I might have slipped briefly into a dimension of reality where that curtain was not put up there or did not exist. It surprised me enough that I had to cheat the darkness retreat unfortunately and peek at the layout of those rooms.

So my theory for walking through walls based on this accident is it would either be a matter of 'knowing' a wall is not there. Or being able to bend yourself into a 'space' where that wall didnt exist

what I was seeing around that time looked exactly like this tunnel, and I could look at it animating itself plain as day like watching a TV set.:

hope that helps!

doesn't surprise me at all.. sometimes certain mentally ill people seem to have major psychic avenues wide open and may have different sorts of astral attachments, though I doubt he was conscious of what he was doing..

I once conversed with this guy at a coffee shop patio who was nice but a bit deranged. we were talking about how this certain area in minnesota is sacred ground (which is true in that it was a neutral meeting place for several native american tribes historicly) he then goes on to say how the whole area is secretly owned by the russians.. I pretty much left the conversation at that and he gave me a readers digest magazine for some reason.

so over a year later I pulled up to an intersection and saw him sitting at a bus stop, he looked at me and definitely didnt recognise me but seemed to be sizing me up a bit..

remembering what his deal was, I projected the thought towards him: "Im not one of the russians." right then he instantly sprung to his feet and gave me a firm military hand salute.

yes. for me it seems to happen with particular meditation techniques and deep relaxation of the spinal centers. some of it is good and some of it garbage, I think.

I've spent 14 years practicing a few different forms of meditation so I can usually tell when its my own stray thought or an 'outside' presence, just from being familiar with how my thinking works.

I figure some of it could be astral entities, or sometimes stray energy from one's own subconscious. I wouldn't necessarily trust everything I hear but sometimes certain phrases lead me into some interesting research. so I tend to jot stuff down that piques my interest.

one recent thing I got is "baking soda will help you live long" .. wierd but then I did some research and it turns out people actually do this (1/2 teaspoon in water 2X a day) to adjust the body's ph balance, given that disease cannot exist in an alkaline environment.

earlier this year I think in january I recieved a few personal things but what was wierd was it also attached "wednesday october 15th" so I looked it up and it turns out this coming october 15th is in fact a wednesday. I highly doubt my subconscious would be acurately keeping track of gregorian calendar dates but who knows. so for me its the little surprises like that make me take notice now and then.

look up what sri aurobindo wrote about the 'intermediate zone'. basicly a vast wasteland of wierd phenomena that exists on ones journey between normal consciousness and 'enlightenment'. basicly just more scenery on the path imho

hey thanks rain. my handle is sort of a joke that popped into my head upon registering.. it comes from a quote from senator ted stevens of alaska. he said something like:

"the internet is not a truck that you can dump something on, the internet is a series of tubes"

I dont know why it just cracks me up.. yeah I broke a collarbone, judo related, when I was very young, around the time of an earlier judo class.

Im in minneapolis Mn USA.

later on learning basic judo there was a few students who would over do it and just slam me when practicing throws from a stationary position.. was a good way to learn breakfalls though.

that was a while ago though.. Im far from proficient in any martial art

hi SeriesOfTubes. what a special name youve got, how did you find it?

 

I remember years ago with judo. fun, but I broke some bodyparts

 

welcome to the forum. where is your area?

hello all..

studied a bit of wing chun and judo a few years ago. was probably the best Ive ever felt in recent years. thinking of giving some internal styles a go sometime soon if I can find a good teacher in my area

probably see you around these parts