BigSkyDiamond

Thank you. OK. Time for me to step back, I'm spinning my wheels. I am hearing, "You have enough. Use what you already have." So i will do that.

recognized. I have recognized who and what i am, and the need to get out and return. And at another level i've already returned. And at another level i never left. It can happen in an instant, in the blink of an eye. i am keeping it close, holding it near and dear, something you wrote earlier "So I raised my consciousness to a higher plane and was beyond the problem" (when you were stuck in the envelope). what did that entail, how did you do it, what steps were used?

Does that apply for all the levels of Flying Phoenix even the levels not made available to the general public? Thank you. I am still reading through the whole thread (about 100 pages left to read) but some of what i read i got confused on regarding those not-released Flying Phoenix levels, and whether some were martial. Glad to see it discussed.

yes many many universes, i agree, that makes sense. all of which are finite, yes, so they have a beginning and an end. as a being i am not finite so i continue in the "gap" between universes. And so when the next universe appears does the being jump into that and the work duties resume? all the universes are finite. (the term i use for that is the worlds of Separation; or in the parlance of the Dao "the ten thousand things"). as a being however i am infinite (Beingness). so in recognizing the limitations of the finite by inhabiting them. there is reaching the point of "enough is enough" so it is off to have other different adventures which are NOT in the worlds of Separation, and thus are not finite. the repetitive universes are a dead end in the sense it is the same thing over and over. There may be different jobs, different tasks, different challenges and problems to solve , different roles, different skills to develop. I guess what i'm asking sensing naming intending, is as an infinite being to stop repeating going back to the successive universes. which is a version of the same cycle as reincarnation. Infinite Beingness (which we are) is more vast than repetitive finite universes. That is my intention and orientation. So here i am looking for maps : ) Thanks Lairg for this conversation. In a sense it feels like a soul retrieval. Rescuing and retrieving a sliver of fragmented limited awareness that is human me in this lifetime. That just needs to reconnect with the rest of me, the Beingness that never entered the worlds of Separation. I have remembered who I am and what I am and where I belong; now I need to get out and return.

so then it sounds like there is an end point reached for leaving the universe completely. What determines or qualifies a being for that? and to continue on instead at a different plane than "the universe and everything in it" thank you for responses.

So for me to understand clearly: Then ex-human refers to no longer incarnating as a physical human. But still active in the cosmos (still within the universe). So not in physical form but in say non physical form somewhere else in the universe. Is that what is described? And the cosmic duties, are they self-assigned, or assigned by a hierarchy of say other cosmic beings. Sort of like me being given other tasks or homework to do. Am i tracking this accurately? Thank you. I am thinking of traditions which speak to ending the cycle of rebirth as a stage we reach in our development. To my way of understanding, that is exiting the universe altogether, not just continuing to hang out in the universe in non-physical form. I have also heard that in some paths a being can choose to stay in the universe to help or assist others in their growth. And that when we reach that point we are given the choice of whether to do this. I am always interested to hear more on this.

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and the motives a person has for "wanting the secrets" determines the level of society (including "secret societies") they associate with and the level of "secrets" they receive. if someone wants secrets to do harm then they will be running with some very unsavory characters and put themselves squarely in harm's way. So honesty with self regarding personal motives is essential and goes a long way. Becareful what you ask for. Because in a very real physical literal actual tangible sense "what you do comes back on you. and your loved ones."

they aren't so much purchased as they are earned. think in terms of trust. trust is not purchased, it is earned.

a person is not given access to something unless and until it is determined by the keepers of that knowledge that they have reached a level of readiness for it. like that saying, "when the student is ready the teacher appears." when the student is ready, the secrets are revealed. some secrets are only revealed to those with pure motives. many times the "secrets" are only passed on to one person in a generation.

stillness

Cultivating stillness and pure awareness are not "someone who does doing nothing in the world." This excerpt (below) from a post on another thread resonates deeply for me. Also no thing is not the same as nothing. They are separate and distinct. God is not a "thing" (has no form, is not separate). But God is not "nothing" (absence, lack, gone). for me just reading that (post above from stirling) drops me into a place of stillness. There is a transmission beyond the words.

yes. And there are traditions which teach that: God is both transcendent ("out there") and also immanent ("in here" within us). There is no separation. first i have to get that intellectually as an idea; then i have to put it into practice and release my belief in separation.

the problem i have with AI is that it (a) is incorrect 60% of the time, and (b) can't distinguish between correct information and incorrect information; and (c) performance over time actually DECREASES, it gets worse; and (d) it fabricates information. it makes up fake stuff including people, events, and URLs. Given that, AI is not a credible source, and it is not a reliable source. It baffles me that it is used at all. So my response to the question asked "is this really bad?" the answer is yes. it is really bad. I am always interested in hearing people express their own views and discuss topics and cite sources. But if i see information presented in post that indicates AI as a source, then i dismiss it out of hand as not reliable, not accurate, not credible, and 60% incorrect or fabricated. source article 2025 "AI search engines cite incorrect news sources at an alarming 60% rate" article 2023, University of Maryland Research Guide, "What does AI Get Wrong" article 2023, Scientific American, "Yes AI Models Can Get Worse Over Time" AI is "just mimicking reasoning, rather than actually performing that reasoning.” In March an AI tool correctly identified prime numbers from a list 96.7% of the time. Three months later in June of the same year, the same AI platform, the same task, the same list, but only 2.7% were correctly identified. AI is simply not reliable. Oh, and the paid versions of the eight AI platforms tested, had higher error rate than the free versions.

or as my dear Grandfather said "Do you know what history is? It is his story. "

I'm here to discuss the practices and belief systems, and how individuals understand and implement in our daily lives, in our personal practice. I have no interest in what historians and academics and scientists say regarding God, Divinity, Beingness, reincarnation, or exiting the cycle of rebirth. Their views are irrelevant. Their expertise is simply not theology.

God is not in the history books either, nor is God found in archaeology. God is not investigated by the fields of history, academia, and archaeology. The study of religion by "academic and historians and archaeologists" is not the practice of religion. Sacred texts are not a history book. Religion and spirituality is not a history lesson. If someone treats them as such, then they are laboring under a misconception.

if something is "based on" or "draws heavily from" or is "derived from" to create something new and different, then it goes by a different name. for instance Buddhism came about as an offshoot of Hinduism. It is known as Buddhism, though. It does not call itself Hinduism. So if hermetics has taken elements from other paths and changed them so they are now used in a different context, then that is something different and it goes by a different name. "Hermetics teaches this" but not calling it Kabbalah because it isn't anymore. It has been altered and changed to mean something else. That's the point I am trying to make. If Burger King copies the Big Mac and puts it on the menu, they don't call it a Big Mac. They give it a different name. Because it isn't a Big Mac. To call it a Big Mac is misleading on a whole lot of levels.

Then that is a hermetic system based on Greek and Egyptian sources and a collection of other stuff too. It is not Kabbalah. It is hermetics. This ties in to what was discussed earlier, a key difference in motivation purpose and goal of the practice. Magic - the focus is control. That is a distortion of Kabbalah. It brings to mind cultural appropriation. When something is taken out of context, it becomes distorted. "appropriation involves pieces of a culture or religion being taken out of context by a people who lack the cultural context to properly understand, respect, or utilise these elements"

The distinguishing feature of Judaism at the time of its inception 3,500 years ago was that it introduced monotheism in a time and place that was decidedly not monotheistic. Both ancient Egypt and ancient Greek theology was polytheism.

Magic is a framework of control. Control is central to magic. Kabbalah is not a framework of control. Divinity is central to Kabbalah. Because Divinity is central to Judaism, and Kabbalah exists within the framework of Judaism. if the teachings have been distorted to something other than that by other groups or individuals, then it is not Kabbalah.

i can speak to Kabbalah. Others can provide detail on Egyptian frame of reference. Kabbalah is the mystical teachings of Judaism, with a lineage that goes back 3,500 years. Published works date back 2,000 years, and prior to 2,000 years ago the teaching was an oral tradition.

in Kaballah, here are the five names for the soul, five levels of the soul, and corresponding "attribute" as they manifest for a human. Listed in ascending order from lowest to highest. Nefesh awareness of the physical body and the physical world Ruach the primary manifestation of Ruach is in the emotions Neshama The primary activity of the Neshama is in the conceptual grasp of the intellect Chaya complete nullification of the ego; knowledge of the absolute truth of things (i.e. knowing how God is not limited or defined by the finite universe) Yechida highest level of the soul, cleaves to and reflects the original Infinite Light

For Kabbalah: The Midrash states that the soul has five names (so not five souls). Kabbalah explains that these five names of the soul correspond to the level of the soul in each of five areas. Just as there are many different names for God, to indicate specific attributes or characteristics of God. So too there are different names for the soul to indicate specific aspects of the soul. one God, many names one soul, five names, in Kabbalah [always good to see Lairg posting !) and yes the post makes a very valid point. Greater detail is needed for additional depth of understanding and practical application. i agree.

"Geese and ducks have flown away abandoning me. How happy I am that tofu has no wings." ---Zen Master Ryokan