NaturaNaturans

Good post. I agree with the Genius segment - true beauty is created out of inspiration, and god knows where that comes from. On finding your «will»… we have had a little convo about this on pm (skillset, inspiration, what gives you a sense of meaning etc.), but do you think you could expand on it? And please dont tell me to burry 50$ or sacrifice a goat, im not ready 🙏

@thelerner agreed 💯 ___________________ feeling inspired tonight: Jesus said you know the tree by the fruit. Wouldnt the same apply to actions (the tree) and the result (the fruit? ___________________ As Jordan B. Peterson wrote in "12 Rules for Life": "The scientific world of matter can be reduced, in some sense, to its fundamental constituent elements: molecules, atoms, even quarks. However, the world of experience has primal constituents, as well. These are the necessary elements whose interactions define drama and fiction. One of these is chaos. Another is order. The third (as there are three) is the process that mediates between the two, which appears identical to what modern people call consciousness. It is our eternal subjugation to the first two that makes us doubt the validity of existence — that makes us throw up our hands in despair and fail to care for ourselves properly. It is a proper understanding of the third that allows us the only real way out." _______________ Sharing a segment from my journal: Dragon Slayer In "The Horse, the Wheel, and Language" (p. 134), David Anthony describes the warrior, the third figure, Trito: "After the world was made, the sky-gods gave cattle to the third man (Trito). But the cattle were treacherously stolen by a three-headed, six-eyed serpent (Negation). The third man entreated the storm god to help get the cattle back. Together they went to the cave (or mountain) of the monster, killed it (or the storm god killed it alone), and freed the cattle. Trito became the first warrior. He recovered the wealth of the people, and his gift of cattle to the priests ensured that the sky gods received their share in the rising smoke of sacrificial fires. This ensured that the cycle of giving between gods and humans continued." The myth of the hero who ventures into the unknown, slays the monster, and is rewarded is so ingrained in us that it requires no explanation: we know. Hercules and Hydra, Beowulf and Grendel, Sigfried the dragon slayer. This has its roots in the Indo-European tradition. A myth is more than a list of causes and effects. In "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" (1949), Joseph Cambell wrote the following: "A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered, and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man." The dragon, the ultimate predator: a flying, fire-breathing reptile guarding priceless treasures. It makes little logical sense, but stories of dragons and heroes have fascinated millions of people for thousands of years. The story of the hero who ventures into the unknown, confronts his greatest fears, and triumphs, both personally and for the good of the community, is an ideal. Something we strive for, a truth. The ideal is, in my opinion, the core of storytelling. It tells us about attitude, courage, and justice. Conquer fear, and you will be rewarded.

Remind me of Zoroastrianism. Ahura Mazda represents truth, beauty, and creation, and his (ours?) battle against Angra Mainy. Good thoughts leads to good words, and good words leads to good action. With fire and truth we shall defeat the forces of evil/the lie haha.

Earlier in life, i used to set concrete, long term goals. Lets say, for example, that I want to loose 10kg and be able to run 5km in 20 min. Than, I would ask my self when have free time on my hand: what is going to lead me close to my goal: videogames or a hike? Reading a book or watching porn? That method worked well for me. I have also asked some highly motivated and successfull friends where they find their motivation, and they usually answer my setting clear goals and that doing a good job is inherently better than doing it badly, or not doing it all. The science is pretty clear on the impact of goalsetting as well. But i am still looking for "the highest goal," the top of the pyramid.

You raise great and interresting points, and id like to hear your take on it aswell. Im kind of short of time, so in this post, I will probably not give the questions the time and contenplation it deserves. Not to mention how wast the topic is, and how many traditions and individuals who approach it differently. Anyway, lets give it a go. So, hoe did Aristotle define rationality and man? He believed that the distinguishing feature of humans is their capacity for reason. Rationality enables humans to think, learn, and make choices based on moral and ethical principles. Rationality, for Aristotle, involved the ability to deliberate and make choices. Humans could consider various options, weigh their consequences, and make decisions based on their rational judgment. Rationality was the means by which individuals could understand and apply ethical principles, such as courage, justice, and temperance, to their lives. The ultimate goal of this, was eudomnia. (some help from chatgpt here) What I think is just as important, is the concept of akrasia (non-management). This means to me one of two things: either you are being controlled by others, or you lack the discipline yourself, because, if you are free and disciplined, why would you act against your own will/whats best for you? For a action to be virtuous, it has (according to my understanding), be done for the sake of it, and not because of fear of punishment or external reward. (chatgpt) I am writing a paper on wisdom, leadership, and motivation, so this topic is closely related. So, rationality determines the correct action in a given situation. This is pretty much identical to (one of the many) definitions of wisdom: (wiki) Let's say you're having dinner, and the choice between something fresh and healthy, and something unhealthy, quick, cheap, and delicious. What is the correct (rational/wise) choice? It would depend on your goals, right? If your goals is to feel good, be healthy and in shape, look good, etc, then the healthy option is the correct option. If your goal is to feel pleasure, have a feast with loved ones, and enjoy the moment, there is a case to be made for the second option. For Aristotle, what was on top of the pyramid was eudaimonia: it was good in itself, and if ought to use our rationality to make choices in line with our nature/purpose, illustrated belove: I have a problem with this, or rather... a small disagreement. (1) I don't belive that these five aspects are fundamental for every human, in every situation, all the time. Also, they sometimes come in conflict with each other. That's why I defined wisdom as the ability to balance different, sometimes opposing, needs and interests. To illustrate: short-term vs. long-term goals, your personal vs that of your employer, your responsibility to society at large etc... The thing is, humans are complicated, and I don't know whats on top of the hierarchy of values (that's why I made this thread). But if we drop the human aspect and look at this beautiful anecdote, I think we are getting somewhere: I agree with the thinker, do you remember his name? Im not sure this works in English, but the Norwegian word for virtue is "dyd." Dyd is related to dydighet, witch means functioning (something like that, anyway.) So a thing is good if it serves its functions, is one possible answer. Forgive me for quoting the most used and abused cliches, but here we go: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.” Meditations by Marcus Aurelius:

I am doing some writng for my self, and so far, this is the closest answer to nihilism ive found: For him (Aristotle), humans were the rational beings. Through reason and virtuous action, we can approach the perfection of our nature. This involved friendship, self-realization, health, prosperity – things that are good in themselves. Virtuous (arete) action leads to eudaimonia. This is not a feeling like happiness, but a state of human flourishing. The opposite here would be akrasia (lack of self-control).

Simallarily christians are "born again." Jesus said that eternal life comes from knowing the Father, so in once sense i can agree with you, it is not all the kingdom of God, as all havent received "the spirit." Luke 17:21: “Once having been asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied,’ The kingdom of God does not come from your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is’ or “There it is’ because the Kingdom of God is within you.” What can i say, the text seems to open for many interpertations ___________ Whats more interresting then what the flesh symbolises, is the wine/blood In the book "the immortality key," it is argued convincingly that it refers to the wine of Dionysus. Same goes for Soma, beer with urgot, various mushrooms and the mead of poetry: it is an experience that grants death before death/being born again/awakening/ressuraction/immortality, not a book (for the most part, all though i have gotten a lot from various texts and conversations as well). Pictures in spoiler. The last one depicting Oding transformed as an eagle, shitting some of the mead of poetry down at humanity on his escape after having retrieved the mead from a couple of dwarfs

I would just say kingdom. (Kingdom (kingdom) kingdom) I am not claiming that i have the one and only truth. I havent read a lot of the bible either. I am not to interrested in how x church says scripture should be interpet, from beggining to end, either. But there is a lot of gold in there. If we call it monist or pantheism or any or any other term is ultimatley not that important. But when you ask me what flesh symbolies… it symbolies flesh. Its not even a symbol, flesh is flesh. And Christ literally said he had become flesh (Thomas 33). You asked about enlightenment as well. I feel like a dick saying this, but i feel i have «awakened.» Useing these terms makes it sound much grander and mystic than what i belive it is. For me it just mean realising that what you are, is fundementaly awarness. But it is not, i belive, something you can reason you way into, but an sudden insight… «gnosis». http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html I cant tell you what Gods will is, or If he exists for sure. I can only tell you what these sayings mean to me.

The flesh is christ

more qoutes for you: Friedrich Nietzsche i often find that twice as much can be said with half the Words. Its more about dropping the bs and getting to the core.

Id like to be a cat in the next one. They are so… zen.

A little of topic here, but come to think of something: according to christ the only unforgivable sin is denying the holy spirit, the divine inside us. edit, continuing: so, If eternity is now, heaven and hell is eternal, the holy spirit fell from heaven like a dove and the only unforgivable sin is denying it: shouldnt we conclude that embracing it is what leads to higher conciousness?

Image didnt work: edit: i dont have a source, but ive read somewhere that the concept or the trinity is older than christianity.

I see it is as the trinity. The father (god), the son (the logos incarnate) and the divine with us (the wholy spirit). An analogy would be that me and my brother is both from the same dad. We are separeres, bur in one sense we are one. Does that makes sense to you, Daniel?

It was more intented to Daniel ——— edit: not to be a conplainer, but this forum is ill suited for writing on tje phone

The gnostic gospel og Thomas: (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you

The Gnosis is too much. Or maybe it's the ketamine haha. Anyway, please continue, it's great fun. Let's see, Gen 3:24: He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life. I know that I hung on a windy tree nine long nights, wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin, myself to myself, on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run. No bread did they give me nor a drink from a horn, downwards I peered; I took up the runes, screaming I took them, then I fell back from there. Runatal 139-140

The thing is, proving that something doesnt exist is literally impossible. Whats going on in the other realms im not in a position to talk about, as i havent seen it. But you got me intruiged.

Eternity is now

If anyone are interrested, im working on a little text at the moment. Here is the part that follows the summary of the gita: Monism Atman refers to the individual's true self, or soul. In Hinduism, it is asserted that Atman is eternal and divine, and it is identical to Brahman, the universal spiritual reality. Monism is a philosophical position that claims there is one fundamental substance or reality in the universe, and everything that exists, including the physical, the mental, and the spiritual, is derived from this one substance. Science is all well and good. However, it is important not to equate it with the one and only truth. Science consists of theories that have not yet been disproven and is ill-suited for non-quantifiable knowledge, such as consciousness. So far, there is no theory that can satisfactorily explain how a collection of non-conscious cells can become a conscious entity. However, it logically follows that consciousness can create something seemingly material. We are obviously not God, since we are limited, but we have a divine spark within us. A common analogy is that we are like waves in the ocean, where the ocean is the oversoul, and the wave is the self. The Trinity, the understanding that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, shows that a part of God resides within us. _________________________________________________________________________________ The Gospel of John begins as follows: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (...) The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." Continuing, we read that John has been tasked with proclaiming the light, even though he himself has not received it, and the Jews remained skeptical. Jesus descended from heaven; the Word became flesh. John the Baptist saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it remained upon Him (the Son of Man/the Logos/Christ). Jesus explains that to see the kingdom of God, one must be born of water and the Spirit. His disciples baptized more people than John himself. Later on, Christ described Himself as the "living water," which grants eternal life to those who drink from it, and proclaimed, 'If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!'" ____ Edit: feedback appricated

Id love If you could share some : ) edit: by some i mean alternative takes or your own perspectives. Im not that familiar with hinduism, but i do love the indo-european/iranian traditions. Got any reccomendations for further reading on hinduism? I find it a little overwhelming.

I had an interresting convo about this yesterday acctually. The spiritual is in one way primary, and the physical secondary (made by conciousness). But why are we here? I think we are here to build and take part in the creation, making the secondary primary, in a sense. second part: yes, thays what humans do. I am human, arjuna is human, my neighbours are human. I was exploring the concept of dharma, finding once purpose and human flourishing. And no, you dont need a voice in Your head to find it.

I am a little confused how this forum works, and my last welcome post didnt get accepted (yet, atleast). anyway, point is, i have it on good authority that this site is qaulity. Ive recently had an awakening, and would now consider my self a monist. I belive in the divine spark in all of us, but also the oversoul. Its obvious, i think, that we are not god, for we are limited. Problem is, i dont know what the oversoul wants. This is one of the many things id like to learn and explore with all of you, if i pass the golden dawn initiation test hope to see you!

Are you aware of the origin of the term scapegoat? I find it hillarious at least. Back in biblical times the jews had a sermony where they «threw» their own sins on to a goat, and sent the goat out in the desert. The goat presumebly dies while the jews got cleansed of their sins. I think there is a similar tradition still going on, but with a hen. And after it has magically absored the peoples sin it is… smashed to death. interresting world we live in.

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