Lucky7Strikes

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If anyone wants Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist Internal Alchemy book, please pm me.  

Thanks.

I've been doing kunlun on and off for about 6 years.

To clarify, I would still recommend Isha and Sadhguru for people who are looking for a consistent sangha, a guru, and a more structured way to open up to spirituality. I've recommended it to family members as such.

However as far as energy practices go, I still find kunlun to be the most potent. I could not have had those experiences I had with Isha without the openings I went under with Kunlun. The difficulty of kunlun is often developing willingness to let go and the fact that you have to be very self reliant. There is not much support besides you and the practice. And some people might prefer that way due to life situations where they can't devote so much time to yoga or they prefer gentler methods of energy practice.

Huh? I've always practice kunlun as my basic energy practice. And Thusness stages as my insight practice.

Sadhguru however, is someone I just get on my knees in front of. I practice kunlun as my basis because I started out with it and would like to go all the way in the system. It's also the most powerful sadhana I've come across.

If anyone wants to learn Kunlun System in the Seattle area let me know via PM.

I've been given permission to just shows the basics of the system.

You can learn about kunlun by doing some searching around in the forum.

And no, you won't get super powers. And no I won't be doing black magic on you because I don't know how. Lol.

Tibetan Ice at one point in this thread asked to come back after sometime with Isha and re assess my experiences...

So it's been about 2 years with Isha, and a year and a half after coming back from BSP when I began this topic. I was in absolutely delirious ecstasy during these weeks. During the whole month my veins were just pumping blissful awareness. I would throw all my clothes off and dance for an hour, lol. I dropped everything in my life: school, job, internship...and went and lived at the ashram for three months. It was challenging there because hidden blocks and emotions emerged all the time and with unrelenting force. The energy of the temple penetrates you. I would often get into quarrels with the monks there over small things, but then go into uncharted states of meditation effortlessly. I would be just sitting behind the temple and enter absorptive states of great energy and awareness.

Then I attended a 8 day silence program with Sadhguru...and coming out of that program...I came out a different person. Something within me shifted, became totally silent. A lot of identification I carried melted away at levels I wasn't even aware of. It was at first hard to recognize what exactly had happened, because I would find myself thinking and moving differently than I had before. Meditation became such an easy practice for me. Just sitting, intensely alive and aware.

I returned this year again for a month. And this time each day at the ashram was such a blessing. The community, the people, and the temple...it wasn't even really about Sadhguru anymore. If one is open to it..the place is total magic. I remember walking out of morning meditation with tears of gratitude..just love flowing through everything...

During my time with Isha there has never ever been a hint or story of exploitation. I met many people there...people there who work ten hours a days but with much joy, willingness and energy. Everyone who has been with Isha is so alive and intense. Its great to see.

There has been so much love. freedom, and ease blossoming within me since my time with Isha..I look back even two three years now and I can hardly recognize myself. Well...so here is my report back after sometime..hehe.

Chinese medicine can be interpreted both ways. The left is yang, right is yin. But the left pulse reflects the blood, the right pulse reflects the Qi. Blood is yin, Qi is yang. However, blood is yin transforming into yang, Qi is yang transforming into yin.

 

Want to get more confused?

 

The left is represented by the qian, pure yang trigram; the right, the kun pure yin trigram. As the story goes both sides had three children. Three daughters and three sons. The sons of qian, gen, kan, and zhen, are made of two yin and one yang. The daughters of kun, li, xun, and dui are made of two yang and one yin. But aren't boys yang and girls yin?

 

Hmmm?

That...that is confusing...

I was also looking into the seasons that correspond to the four celestial beasts of the directions, and the phoenix is the beast of summer, yang, and the back side of the body. Which again confirms that the Yang, the dragon, is on the right side of the body, because it is east, while the Yin is on the left side, the west.

I guess it's auspicious to face south because then the polarities of the body are in harmony with external conditions.

My CM teachers teach that left is yin and right is yang. This is also switched in the head where left = yang and right = yin. In practice you can see for example this in unilateral imbalances where the problem is only on one side. If it's in the sex side (males -- right, females -- left) then it's considered to be deeper and thusly will take longer time to heal.

 

I also bumped into this contradictory statement from TCM sources and asked about it from my teacher and he used your first example as a point that left = yin , right = yang : The emperor is facing south. South, as we know, is yang. The front of the body is yin. So, the yin side is facing the yang side. So, the left (yin) side is facing the east (yang) side.

Ahh I see, then that makes sense. If the south and the back of the body is yang, then if we align the body, it makes sense to say that the right side is yang and the left side is yin.

 

LOL. Of course all the human bodies are function the same but there is a difference in concept between the two cultural philosophies. The questions is which one do you want to follow. If you have decided to follow one, then, ignore the other to avoid any conflicts and confusions.

I don't see how this is a cultural philosophy or a conceptual thing. Why would I follow one or the other, when it's based on the human body? Do you follow the human body? The yin yang idea and sun moon channels aren't that different.

So one of them is wrong.

I asked many of my teachers in Chinese medicine school. Most agreed Yang is left, and gave two reasons...

 

1). The emperor always faced south, the most auspicious direction. Therefore the sun rose on the left - Yang, and the sun set on the right - Yin.

 

2). Chinese creation myth - Pangu, who emerged from universal formlessness. He separated yin and yang with his axe, then he pulled out his left eye to create the sun, and his right eye to create the moon. Yang - left, Yin - right.

 

 

Now TCM swaps the Kidneys, and this is where lots of confusion lies. My younger TCM teachers argued that because of this the entire yin/yang sides of the body were swapped.

Ahhh that's really interesting.

What do you mean TCM swaps the kidneys?

Things can indeed become very difficult when you expect differing philosophies to come to the same conclusions. Best to stick with either the Taoist path or the Ayurvedic and not expect them to have matching concepts.

 

We should also refrain from thinking that one path is right or better than another, it is simply that they are different. Both could lead you to the same destination.

Uh...your body isn't a philosophy. Yang qi and Yin qi are symbolic differences given to energy in the body, and their characteristics are masculine and feminine. There should be a correlation when it's as basic as this.

 

It would be less confusing if you only stick with one system.

 

Yin/Yang are Chinese terms; and Yoga is Hindu. Please try not to intermix them as the people in the thetaobums do.

 

I don't think the Chinese have a different body than Indians. This is a very basic principle found in all energy arts, the sun and the moon, masculine and feminine. TCM seems to be the only system that switches them.

Just stopping by thetaobums for some questions...

Yoga says the masculine aspect of the body, the sun channel, (pingala) is its right side while the feminine aspect of the body, the moon channel, (ida) is the left side.

TCM says the opposite.

Anyone have a good knowledge why? From observation, it makes sense to say the usually the right side of the body is yang and left is yin. This is a pretty big difference between the two traditions.

It's been four and a half years on this forum and 2200 posts and definitely time to leave. To ask for more would not be sensible and I have offered as much nonsense as I can. Anyways the mode of communication here is very limited for anyone to really learn from anyone else regarding practices (unless through insults! or intense mind numbing debating!), and I believe the best that can be found on thetaobums is the information we share about teachers and teachings we have directly experienced. And I have reached the limit on that in both ways, so....

I would just stop posting without all this apparent drama, but I feel have to show my full gratitude to what this place has given me. I first lurked and posted here without any experience with meditation besides Ramana Maharshi's "who am I?" question that suddenly awoke the spiritual urge in me. Now I'm just exploding with joy and the world has turned upside down and a whole new possibility has opened up!

Everything I have today I have found from the users here. From Max, Thusness/Xabir (they're not the same person!), and Sadhguru, I wouldn't have got in touch with any of these great beings without this forum. So thank you! (especially Sean, for putting this together!) But most of all the interactions I've had with users here, although not always positive, have been a continuous inspiration to challenge myself, and most of all, to be honest with myself. To any new users, I suggest using thetaobums as a stop by to find a path suitable for you.

Again, thank you everyone! And I truly and sincerely wish your experiences of something beyond the mere material limitations come to fruition and true insight and bliss can be attained. Realization is possible for everyone and within reach.

Good luck on your paths!

Whatever. Sadhguru definitely doesn't need me to defend him on a website. His work speaks for itself.

Good luck on what you are doing.

But if you do change your mind, please come back on the forum and correct your statements. I often do so too. So we'll see.

In order to achieve imortality, you must willingly die.

I whole heartedly agree.

Man, and who hates bread? I understand twizzlers though!

lol My body an energies yearn for the feminine but I think I have to beat social awkwardness before I even think about females. I am actively exploring the roots of who I am, I think loneliness with a clear head forces you to that if you don't try to escape the loneliness.

Take it at your own pace for sure. We're all here to support each other!

Loneliness is a great gift, btw. It's one of the best things to ever happen to me at least.

Hi Lucky

I see no difference between the fire up the spine and the kriya yoga that isha is teaching. Sure, he doesn't define kundalini in the conventional sense of the word, but third eye practice is going to awaken the kundalini.

 

Just the other day I focused solely on the third eye with perfect posture and had flames going up the spine.. again..

 

The reason the Isha practices you are doing right now are not activating kundalini is because, according to this video, they don't start beginners off with "advanced" practices.. but you are definately heading for kundalini awakening unless you never get to the advanced lessons.. and don't be fooled.

 

 

Listen to this:

 

 

 

And there there is this:

link: http://www.kavitachh...adhguru-Jun2007

 

 

 

This is from Sadhguru himself:

link: http://australia.inn...ages/kundalini/

 

 

 

So you aren't going to ask Max? I'm really curious because I do do Kunlun with an active Kundalini and although I can overload in 5 seconds. I just do Kunlun when things are calm..

 

Have you never done any kriya yoga?

 

TI

Third eye practice does not equal Kundalini. Isn't that obvious? Don't you know Red Phoenix is a third eye practice? Kunlun is a third eye practice.

"The reason why Isha practices..." Have you learned any Isha practices? Or are you just making assumptions...don't be fooled by what? What is Sadhguru trying to fool me with? The point here is I don't consciously force my energy anywhere during practice, but let it do its natural course with the right intentions and insight.

As for the first quote, the man asked specifically about Kundalini yoga and why people are often cautioned against it. So Sadhguru says it's because they need guidance. That doesn't suddenly make Isha practice fire path practices...

As for the second quote, you left out the first part of the whole quote, where he defines Kundalini. Your way of using only the last section after having read the introductory part is quite manipulative. I think it reveals what type of mindset you are in reading and watching Sadhguru.

Here is the part where Sadhguru talks about his definition of kundalini:

What is Kundalini?

If you look at it, on one level, kundalini is just another name for the source of your creation. Though you provided it the fuel from outside, all the growth that has happened to this body up to this day – from the day it was born and even before – has happened from inside, isn’t it? That energy which makes all this happen, you can call it God, Divine or whatever. In yoga, we gave it a specific name because we are not looking at it with faith, but as a science.

Today, science tells us that this body is the greatest piece of engineering on the planet. It really is a masterpiece. Something that is capable of creating this, you think this is all it could do? Suppose you saw one painting of an artist which was really incredible, would you think that is all he can do? He could be doing so many other things, isn’t it? Similarly, you allowed this energy to create only this much. You have seen just one piece of creation; you have not seen the rest of it. The whole system of yoga is looking at how to allow this ‘inner engineer’ or this ‘inner artist’ find his full potential. The physical body is the most basic thing he is able to create; he is doing it for everybody. If he is able to produce billions of them, then he must be capable of many more things. We are seeing how to allow him the freedom to function at his full creativity.

The word “kundalini” generally refers to that dimension of energy, which is yet to realize its potential. There is a huge volume of energy within you which is yet to find its potential. It is just there waiting, because what you call as a human being is still in the making. You are not yet a human being; you are a ‘human becoming,’ isn’t it? You are not an absolute entity of being human. There is constant scope to make yourself into a better human being. For this process to happen, the process of evolution allowed a huge volume of energy untapped, that if you become conscious, you could use this to make something fantastic out of it.

Ok?

I'll ask Max when certain practices like Shambhavi seem to counter my Kunlun. He'll know immediately and tell me to drop any other practices. But I'm not going to go up to him and do Shambhavi Mahamudra and ask if this is compatible with Kunlun. Why? Because, just like Max says with Red Phoenix, I was told not to share Shambhavi with people who are not initiated into Isha. It goes the other way too. If Sadhguru came up to me and asked about Red Phoenix, I won't show him at all unless I'm a facilitator teaching him. So I respect this both ways, because both Max and Sadhguru gave me the practices with those instructions.

I also don't know if Sadhguru's Shambhavi is what is generally known as Shambhavi, because he says it hasn't been taught this way to the general public ever. I'll probably ask Max about Sadhguru in the future. Maybe I'll shoot him and Diana an e-mail tomorrow. I'll let you know what they say.

As for your mix of Kundalini and Kunlun, you ask Max yourself. Sadhguru's Kundalini isn't what your doing. So the answer I get isn't going to be an answer pertaining to you at all.

I saw Max this weekend and energy work together and he didn't mention anything about Kundalini energies or whatever within me and I had been practicing Shambhavi for 3-4 months twice every day. I had tremendous openings working with him and Diana. I've had no energetic problems with combining both practices, instead complete opposite. My Kunlun took on a whole another level coming back from Sadhguru.

Kriya Yoga? Well you said it yourself in this post. What Sadhguru teaches is called Kriya Yoga. My Kunlun activates during Shmbhavi all the time, and I feel a similar energy at Isha groups.

Anyways it seems like your the one now obsessing over Sadhguru for some reason. It looks like you can't put this down. If he was really a total nutjob and an actor like you said in your original post, you'd stopped watching his videos after first two or three. So this is great! Keep watching them. It's clear something is drawing you towards him but at once very afraid of him.

Hi Lucky

That is quite an experience you had there. Thank you for posting it..

 

There is no me. There is no you. To heal you is to heal me.

This is only true if it is in your experience. My experience is not yet at that level and so it is with most people. A glimpse does not mean a full blown knowing. People are separated relatively, therefore surface healing of the effects and not the causes can become a distraction, and a hindrance as Sadhguru says.

Usually, there are reasons for my actions, sometimes I'm not aware of them..

 

I was watching this video by Sadhguru called "introduction to kundalini yoga, third eye chakra meditation, kundalini yoga meditation beginners, " on youtube..

 

Here it is:

 

and in the notes for that youtube video:

 

 

 

What I don't understand is this: If you have Kunlun and Max, why do you need Sadhguru?

 

And this is the big one..

 

Since you seem to have a dedicated practice to Kunlun (4 years) and have a close relationship to Max, why don't you ask Max about the dangers of mixing Kunlun and Kundalini? I'm sure everyone would love to hear the response..

 

TI

Sadhguru's definition of Kundalini is different from the Kundalini Max talks about which is raising the fire energy up the spine, which is not what is taught in Inner Engineering or any practices I have been exposed from Isha. Sadhguru actually tells people not to mess with the spinal energies as does Max. Kundalini is defined by Sadhguru as simply "dormant energy."

The techniques I practice from Isha are very complementary with my Kunlun practice or else I would have immediately noticed a counter balance happening. I'm very aware of what's happening in my body energy wise, and having done both for the past 4-5 months, there has been absolutely no negative side effects. In Isha there's no raising the energy upwards, but it is about resting in the flow of energy, much like Kunlun.

It's not about a need. It's about feeling a connection with a teacher. Sadhguru has cleared up so much in my mind and has dragged me out of filth, just by his words. What I experienced from Sadhguru is not something I think I would have realized merely through Kunlun, or if I did, it would've happened at a much later point in practice.

Kunlun is my engine, Sadhuru is my map, and Thusness/Xabir/Buddhism are my vision.

It's what I believe is true from 5 years of practicing. Not as long as others, who may disagree...whatever. It's a point of view that people can consider and the warning that it's "unqualified" is clearly there. Since I believe it's true and potentially helpful, I speak it. That's why, bro.

 

Please, ignore me if you have trouble with this.

Ok, ok. As long as we're clear that it's not taught that way. You might even be right in the long run, but I just want to clarify that's not how it is being presented right now.