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an illusion, ?

hello, it might be my lack of good schooling, but I wondered if there are some other methods of exegesis / interpretation of texts in the asian cultural hemisphere? some stuff comes naturally to me, and others just stays cryptic, no matter which interpretation I use. could you list your methods? thanks.

Could we please get a lightbulb emoji to react with 💡and one that says “there’s more to your post than meets the surface” … I would propose a stone cast in the water drawing circles or the like.⛲️ The lightbulb is different than thanks. Thanks to me is insightful teaching. Lightbulb is something that is interesting but not necessarily path wise and refers to something that has been bothering one for a long time in the dark. Wow is not the “deep!” reaction. Wow is more shock or surprise. Not the deep contemplation or a impulse that influences and gets stronger with time. I don’t want to appear confused all so often!

I find this insightful and it comes as a confirmation of some conclusions I made for myself, as working hypothesis. For the neidan aspect I cannot speak, as I have to little knowledge and understanding, starting with the meaning of concepts in the language. Nevertheless, bearing in mind that culturally reached concepts are not interchangeable without a clear understanding of the definitions and meanings (in my opinion) they wish to convey via interpretation (and who may say which one is correct, especially nowadays?), comparing those concepts is in my opinion helpful for those who have a resonance towards this anyways. The competence to raise those questions is yours, - chatgpts answers rather leave more space for further questioning. a point I wish to mark as remarkable: that seemed remembering worthy to me and somewhat lead me to the notion of another word concept (I don’t wish to share yet) upon which I stumbled a few weeks ago. It seems indeed to me rather like a aligned pathway (watery in nature) than the confronting one (fiery, electrical). I would use different concepts and symbols to talk about this, but analogies will do here. I might be mistaken here, but it could also be two paths that are to be walked simultaneously (or in phase changes with different rhythms). At some point (premature) non-dualists might not be able to grasp the value of subjectivity and the engagement with so-called-darker-aspects like emotions and the functionalities of a new and unbound ‘vine structure’… (its lighter in ounces, now isn’t it?) and end in helplessly repeating their opinions with great effort and enthusiasm. Well, as long as they don’t pass laws on that and claim a higher authority (to bend and break wills, hearts and spirits) and just bother their neighbors and friends, it’s probably not something worth transferring lots of emotional energy in. Sometimes emotional barricades are thick, or too thick to be perceived, as I know from experience. In my experience, it then also doesn’t help to confront then, they are a ‘spiritual bypassers’. At times stuff happens at different frequencies on different layers in a personality, and some aspects may just have some kind of a time lapse or ‘jet lag’. If the resistance isn’t strong enough life will give plenty of opportunity to learn about those hidden aspects. And maybe yet again they just need another round… 🚀 But the litmus test how well integrated someone has their parts (not saying I do!), - respective to wholeness, - usually shows how fast someone gets offended when you challenge their opinion or argument or worldview or is inclined to mark you as crazy or in need of help. (Not speaking of present persons here.) If then their authority is unchallenged and no reflection of their attitude is possible from them, and what they offer is of no use to you, it isn’t healthy to stay for you. (They’ll try to submit you or diminish the value of your perception and concepts.) Just walk your path.

Nagarjuna points rather to the second, no? Cutting through means realizing there are none or one. Doesn’t make much difference at that level. but what’s to take from there to functionality? nothing. Can’t make anyone understand it only if they have experienced it themselves. Compassion without an I or with an I. … it leaves straw dogs ? I’m lost here… can someone help please?

What about the diamond sutra and/or the heart sutra? Is it implied there indirectly or am I mis-interpreting? @Taoist Texts pls don’t leave me hanging here… is that correlated to what @stirling meant by reactions to it could either be the recognition of “I AM” or “emptiness/possibilities”? people need to get outta their diamond cage @Mark Foote ? what am I missing here?

feed only the few, obstructed the flow, 為! Dao not de, - why Jing? Dao not de, - why Jing? “To do de t’is to de-stroy?” “To Bum or bee-hive?”

So the snails symbolize given ‘slack‘ in the Knight, he gives himself too much leeway, gains a few pounds and closes an eye from time to time? Lethargy, inactivity, lack of tension. Must the knight always be on guard? Can’t he play the lute from time to time and eat some grapes? 🍇 Extremes (in any ways) are not beneficial, even if discipline might?

light flowers freely going home way beyond the curtain leaves only one, none.

rise, fall, trust, rejoice! bound but free, no force nor fear.light flowers freely.

better dance unbound the soundless sound is boundless rise, fall, trust, rejoice!

let the sound direct! good intentions not all have better dance unbound

is to transgress full! when black seems white, and white black - let the sound direct!

Erwin’s cat deeply re-surrendered herself in the experience, conjoined her photons and atoms of the in-betweens, two worlds merged into one and the box disappeared. momentum and position fell into space and she changed her path and became a: quantumdancer 🙏

speaking with candor : that refusal to transgress is to transgress full!