Paul

 

Obviously, coming from Buddha Śākyamuni this is not an eternalist statement, but is merely pointing to one's nature as profound emptiness.

There is no end

 

Is English not your first language?

 

I think she's using Dzogchen jargon here... Can we please use normal English as much as possible? Please don't say "crystal."

Why? Everyone understand this very clear

This is very exactly crystal

Very broad again and evasive. Please explain what you mean.

Example

A crystal

That is a very broad generalization. The natural world? Are you implying that humans are not part of nature?

One self nature

Distraction from?

Nature

 

What does it mean to reify a substantial ontological nature?

This page represent graspings.

I believe, wisdom is appearance like rainbow.

You guys remind of watching children playing grown ups babbling big words they don't understand.

I am amazed at the number of "seekers" that disregard EVERY realized teacher they have ever read anything from.

 

I have never met or read from a realized teachers teaching that does not clearly state many times over that "awakening" is at hand - it can happen at any time - it does not Require years of practice - and we certainly know that people from all walks of life have attained it.

 

Yet - so many "seekers" and those that believe they are seeking completly remove this possibility to extreme remoteness or imposibility.

 

Rama Krishna became awakened and ran about hugging trees and crying uncontrollably - who among us would not write off this guy today as a nutjob?

 

We need to drop "what we know" and be in the present with that which is.

Paul,

 

Here's how we contribute to this forum in different ways.

 

You taunt, goad, and titilate people in the hopes of attracting converts to your secret club.

 

I am here to share everything I know openly in an atmosphere of lateral collaboration. There is no secret club to join. And I am claiming the same spiritual benefits as what you claim for your secret club, minus of course the feel of a club itself.

I'm embarrassed for you

 

When I say the mind is the ultimate abstraction, I mean that it is the least specific and most mysterious subject one can contemplate.

Bullshitchen

That's bullshitchen

 

Stop telling me or anyone else what to do.

Shut up

 

 

I wasn't asking you.

This is a dzogchen thread. Go back to Hindu. Keep it on topic.

@Goldisheavy - could you define precisely what you mean by mind and what you mean by mindset ... I think I get the points you made above but I want to be sure.

Nothing to do w dzogchen

 

You're saying it as if you're informing me.

You're clueless. Dzogchen is the ultimate siddhi.

you must understand beyond any doubt whatsoever, that I am your Lord and you are my supplicant, unconditionally.

Hilarious.

Let me rephrase:

Droll... banal.

Your exact words were "uncommon siddhis" and the best translation for siddhi is "psychic power."

That's because you don't know what the uncommon siddhi is. And you won't until you accept a Vajrayana teacher.

So well put I thought a reposting was worthwhile!

Mostly wishful thinking

Well buddy whichever sort of Buddhist you are, or claim to be ; from reading your posts thus far on here I'd venture that it's one of the less tolerant sects. As long as you're happy with it, that's the main thing. There's a path out there to suit all types and conditions of folks. Birds of a feather flock together. Enjoy.

We're completely tolerant of folks enjoying whatever practice they want. But we don't tolerate debating about Dzogchen, at least, we won't join.

Though that underlying nature is emptiness, a lack of inherency, freedom from extremes etc.

 

'Wholeness' would not apply in that context, 'complete' perhaps but it isn't 'complete perfection'... Dzogpa Chenpo means Great Perfection. Which is alluding to the fact that so-called conditioned phenomena have actually been in an unconditioned state from the very beginning (though this is unrecognized). That 'unconditioned' state means that allegedly conditioned dharmas (meaning phenomena which can accord with extremes) are primordially unreal and non-arisen, hence; empty appearance is perfected by nature. 'Perfected' because the misconception of conditioned existents, which are subject to non-existence and so on have in truth never occurred. When this is directly realized it is known intimately that empty appearance is originally pure and naturally perfected.

 

Single taste (or one taste, same taste etc.) refers to the principle of equality when it comes to the emptiness of phenomena, they are equal in their emptiness. For instance, the Āryākṣayamatinirdeśa-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra states: "The dharmadhātu, the element of sentient beings the element of space and the element of all phenomena, those are the same. If it is asked why they are the same, because they are the same as emptiness, they are the same."

 

That 'nature' is shared, like two candle flames share the nature of heat, or two drops of water share the nature of wetness. The heat of fire is universal in that sense, the wetness of water is universal in that sense, the dharmatā of dharmins is universal in that sense... but it is not a 'universal' nature which encompasses everything like a single field. It simply means that conditioned relative phenomena are abstractions and so they are never separate from the fact that they are ultimately unreal, never separate from their nature.

 

Understanding these principles properly avoids the extremes of eternalism and nihilism. If there were nihilistic comments earlier in the thread I did not see them, certainly none came from myself. Non-arising is not nihilism. Nihilism is negating phenomena, holding to its non-existence (the mind grasping at a position in relation to what it perceives as an object which is capable of lacking existence). Emptiness instead recognizes that alleged phenomena which could exist (or not-exist) have been mere figments of confusion from the very beginning. Like the rope-snake metaphor; once the snake is realized to actually be a rope, the principles of existence, non-existence, both or neither no longer have any snake to apply to, and are thus liberated on the spot. There simply never was a snake. In the same way, when you realize the nature of phenomena, you realize that they simply never were in the first place.

Short cut, please.