Isimsiz Biri

Nungali, I have thousands of books in my personal library. My general culture is as good as yours. You are telling ideas which do not belong to me. Even in your own sentences, you present how far you are from reality. You said Prophet Abraham went to Mesopotamia. Prophet Abraham was born in Sanliurfa, South East Turkey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_in_Islam http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN,33670/tourism-relating-to-faith.html The Prophet Abraham and Urfa It is believed that Abraham, the father of prophets, was born in Şanlıurfa, whose citadel and Lake Balik were the scene of his struggle with Nimrod and casting into the flames. Abraham is recognized as a prophed by the Jews, Christians and Muslims, so that as his birthplace Şanlıurfa is considered holy by adherents to all three faiths. Indeed, the cave where he was born is visited each year by thousand of tourists Turkish and foreign, as are Lakes Halil-ür Rahman and Aynzeliha and the sacred sites in their vicinity. It was Abraham who built Kaaba, and because Şanlıurfa is his birthplace it is visited in season by pilgrims from far-flung parts of the earth-Europe, Central Asis, Iran and Turkey itself-on their way to and from the Holy Land. All these visits have in the past meant crowdingi, but thanks to the initiative of Turkish President Süleyman and Minister of State Necmettin Cevheri, and the laudable efforts of then-governor T. Ziyaeddin Akbulut and Deputy Governor Hasan Duruer, the area around Lake Balik was redesigned in 1992-97. In a project drawn up by the architect Merih Karaaslan, the area was provided with lawns, a 200-vehicle parking facility, a four-star hotel, a shopping center, baths, toilets a laundry facility, and places for the performing of ablutions. In the name of authenticity Urfa’s traditional architecture was respected, the local Urfa stone was used as a building material, and historical buildings and shopping areas were restored. The Cave of Abraham’s Birth and the Mevlid-i Halil Mosque The cave where the Prophet Abraham was born lies in the courtyard of the Mevlid-i Halil Mosque, 100 meters east of Lakes Halil-ür Rahman and Aynzelihe. Abraham remained in this cave until his seventh year, and many believe that the medicinal waters found within it can help cure a range of ailments. In memory of Abraham, a small mosque was built next to the cave in Ottoman times and named the Mevlid-i Halil. When due to its size mosque began to prove incapable of absorbing the crowds of visitors, a large one with twin minarets, named the Yeni Dergah Mosque, was erected beside it in 1986. Prophet Abraham was born in Urfa city in Southeast Turkey, he traveled to Egypt and Palestine and Arabia. He always remained in Semitic languages environment. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages) Approximate historical distribution of Semitic languages. Prophet Abraham never went to Iran.

Nungali, First write my name correctly. Second, you make quotations from Holy Quran to say that God Almighty has sent many Prophets. Then you say Judaism, Christianity and Islam grow out of Zoroastrianism. This is a very clear contradiction. Please make your ideas clear. I say that Prophet Abraham is a real person. Prophet Moses is a real person. Prophet Jesus Christ is a real person. Prophet Muhammad is a real person. They were all Messengers of God Almighty. They conveyed the messages of God to humanity. They were not affected by Zoroastrianism because cultural, geographical and historical reasons.

Good post. However, it is not so easy to tell a historical figure was really a Prophet or not.

I have an entire chapter but it is in Turkish I sincerely searched for English version as pdf but I could not find it. However, I found this link: http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=_P3t7p-VH9gC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false I can not copy from this link but Chapter 2 "Opening Your Heart" and Chapter 3 "Transforming Your Self" is very very very important. Robert Frager is a Harvard-trained psychologist. He is the past president of the Association for Transpersonal Psychology and the founder of the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, where he is currently Director of the low residency Master of Arts in Spiritual Guidance program and professor of Psychology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Frager Robert Frager holds seventh dan in aikido. There are some other youtube videos http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+frager+&sm=3 I hope those help.

You dance like a belly dancer. While having sex in front of your altar, if you see your altar assistant near you, do not get afraid. After all, it is your old friend of many years.

I am not derailing. I asked HOW? (The question is about Vitalii's method (?), nothing else) It will be much better if you stop talking your fantasies because you are starting the derails.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/07/27/pope-francis-calls-for-respect-and-protection-of-environment-end-to-exploitation-of-amazon-rainforest/ RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — Pope Francis took on the defence of the Amazon and the environment near the end of his weeklong trip to Brazil, as he donned a colorful Indian headdress Saturday and urged that the rainforest be treated as a garden. Luca Zennaro/AFP/Getty ImagesPope Francis at a meeting with political, religious and civil society leaders of Brazil at the Municipal Theatre in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on July 27, 2013. The pontiff met with a few thousand of Brazil’s political, business and cultural elite in Rio de Janeiro’s Municipal Theater, where he also shook hands with Indians who said they were from a tribe that has been battling ranchers and farmers trying to invade their land in northeastern Bahia state. In a separate speech to bishops, the pope called for “respect and protection of the entire creation which God has entrusted to man, not so that it be indiscriminately exploited but rather made into a garden.” He also urged attention to a 2007 document by Latin American and Caribbean bishops that he was in charge of drafting, which underscored dangers facing the Amazon environment and the native people living there, as well as called for new evangelization efforts to halt a steep decline in Catholics leaving for other faiths or secularism. “The traditional communities have been practically excluded from decisions on the wealth of biodiversity and nature. Nature has been, and continues to be, assaulted,” the document reads. Several of the indigenous people in the audience hailed from the Amazon and said they hoped the pope would help them protect land designated by the government as indigenous reserves but that farmers and ranchers illegally invade for timber and to graze cattle. In fact, grazing has been the top recent cause of deforestation in Brazil. “We got credentials for his speech and attended so we could tell the pope what’s happening to our people,” said Levi Xerente, a 22-year-old member of the Xerente tribe in Tocantins state in the Amazon, after he attended the pope’s speech. “We hope that he will help intervene with the government and stop all the big public works projects that are happening in the region.” Xerente, speaking in broken Portuguese, said the biggest threats to Indians in the region were big agribusiness invading land and the government’s own massive infrastructure projects, including the damming of powerful rivers for hydroelectric power generation and roads being carved out of the forest, often to reach giant mines. Related • Unafraid, ‘slum pope’ plunges into embrace of the faithful in a Brazilian slum wrested from drug lords • Security tight after violent protests, effigy-burning demonstrators force Pope into a helicopter on trip Francis thanked Brazilian bishops for maintaining a church presence in the rugged and vast Amazon, which is about the size of the United States west of the Mississippi River. But he pushed church leaders to refocus energies on the region. “The church’s work needs to be further encouraged and launched afresh” in the Amazon, the pope said in prepared remarks, urging an “Amazonian face” for the church. He cited the church’s long history of working in the region. “The church’s presence in the Amazon basin is not that of someone with bags packed and ready to leave after having exploited everything possible,” he said. “The church has been has been present in the Amazon basin from the beginning … and is still present and critical to the area’s future.” Catholic priests and nuns have taken up the causes of Indians and of poor subsistence farmers in the Amazon, often putting themselves in danger. Violent conflicts over land rights are common in the region, where wealthy farmers and ranchers are known to hire gunmen to intimidate people into leaving land the government has often set aside as reserves for their use. Also on Saturday, Francis took his message to shake up the Catholic Church to bishops from around the world, challenging them to get out of their churches and go to the farthest margins of society to find the faithful and preach. During a Mass with 1,000 bishops in Rio’s beehive-like modern cathedral, Francis echoed the message he has delivered to pilgrims at World Youth Day all week: A radical call to renew the dusty church, which has seen its numbers dwindle in Europe thanks to general apathy and in Latin America in the face of competition from charismatic evangelical congregations. “We cannot keep ourselves shut up in parishes, in our communities when so many people are waiting for the Gospel!” Francis said in his homily. “It’s not enough simply to open the door in welcome, but we must go out through that door to seek and meet the people.” It was a slightly more diplomatic expression of the direct, off-the-cuff exhortation he delivered to young Argentine pilgrims on Thursday. In those remarks, he urged the youngsters to make a “mess” in their dioceses and shake things up, even at the expense of confrontation with their bishops and priests. Francis himself is imposing a shake-up in the Vatican’s staid and dysfunctional bureaucracy, setting in motion a reform plan and investigations into misdeeds at the scandal-plagued Vatican bank and other administrative offices. Francis’ target audience is the poor and the marginalized — the people that history’s first pope from Latin America has highlighted on this first trip of his pontificate. He has visited one of Rio’s most violent slum areas, met with juvenile offenders and drug addicts and welcomed in a place of honour 35 trash recyclers from his native Argentina. “Let us courageously look to pastoral needs, beginning with the outskirts, with those who are farthest away, with those who do not usually go to church,” he said Saturday. “They too are invited to the table of the Lord.” He carried that message to a meeting with Brazil’s political, economic and intellectual elite, urging them to look out for the poorest and use their leadership positions to work for the common good. He also called for greater dialogue between generations, religions and peoples. “Between selfish indifference and violent protest there is always another possible option: that of dialogue,” he said in a reference to the protests that have wracked Brazil in recent weeks. “A country grows when constructive dialogue occurs between its many rich cultural components: popular culture, university culture, youth culture, artistic and technological culture, economic culture, family culture and media culture.” He added that religion plays a critical and unifying role. He delivered the remarks at Rio’s grand municipal theatre, where he was welcomed with a standing ovation and shouts of “Francisco” and “Viva o Papa!” (Long live the pope). On a few occasions, he looked up at the gilded theatre boxes almost in awe from the stage and seemed charmed when a few dozen young students of the theatre’s ballet school, all with their hair in buns, sat down around him. At the end of the event, the little ballerinas all swarmed around Francis for a hug and a kiss. Claudina Rosa, a 32-year-old secretary from Minas Gerais state who waited outside the theatre in a downpour to catch a glimpse of the pope, applauded his call for dialogue. “We don’t have any way of accessing our leaders. They don’t listen to us at all, so it’s excellent that the pope call for dialogue in this way,” she said. Later Saturday, Francis lunches with the region’s bishops and then presides over an evening vigil service on Copacabana beach that is expected to draw more than 1 million young people. He returns to Rome on Sunday after the final Mass. The Associated Press For everybody reading the posts, please find the original post of thelerner that he claims I did not read. (Without photos) I mentioned the activities of Vatican Bank, but thelerner is silent about that. It seems he did not read my post.

Your optimism is really good. I am sure you are protected by Divine Realms. Having said that, you are definitely wrong. Higher practices and training do exist but not in this specific case.

Dear Chegg, I strongly recommend "Heart, Self, and Soul: The Sufi Psychology of Growth, Balance, and Harmony" by Robert Frager Ph.D. http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Self-Soul-Psychology-Balance/dp/083560778X

Yes, I do. It is called as Ilm Ladun (The Special Knowledge from God's Presence) in Holy Quran. http://www.fethullahgulenchair.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=741:ilm-ladun-the-special-knowledge-from-gods-presence&catid=78:key-concepts-in-the-practice-of-sufism-2&Itemid=212 Holy Quran, Surat Al-Kahf (The Cave), 18th Surah, 65th Ayah (18:65) http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=18&verse=65 Sahih International: And they found a servant from among Our servants to whom we had given mercy from us and had taught him from Us a [certain] knowledge. Pickthall: Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence. Yusuf Ali: So they found one of Our servants, on whom We had bestowed Mercy from Ourselves and whom We had taught knowledge from Our own Presence. Shakir: Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves. Muhammad Sarwar: There they met one of Our servants who had received blessings and knowledge from Us. Mohsin Khan: Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us. Arberry: Then they found one of Our servants unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and We had taught him knowledge proceeding from Us.

The original word means both rust and stain. Holy Quran Surat Al-Muţaffifīn (The Defrauding), 83rd Sura, 14th Ayah http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=83&verse=14 (83:14) Sahih International: No! Rather, the stain has covered their hearts of that which they were earning. Pickthall: Nay, but that which they have earned is rust upon their hearts. Yusuf Ali: By no means! but on their hearts is the stain of the (ill) which they do! Shakir: Nay! rather, what they used to do has become like rust upon their hearts. Muhammad Sarwar: They will never have faith. In fact, their hearts are stained from their deeds. Mohsin Khan: Nay! But on their hearts is the Ran (covering of sins and evil deeds) which they used to earn . Arberry: No indeed; but that they were earning has rusted upon their hearts. In Turkish translation, we use the word rust mostly.

I do not want to jeopardize your fantasies about saving the world however, you are on a very wrong track. Saying a few good words about rain forests do not save the world. Especially, while Vatican Bank is financing many projects that destroy the world. If the forum was on paper, your posts would be a competitor to "Alice in Wonderland". What a big loss for literature. But you may still print them and present them to your house party visitors.

You have written your good intent assumptions which do not apply in this specific case.

MTV Youth.

Again, do not be misled by his fantasies oh sorry theories. Prophet Jesus Christ was born as Jewish. Prophet Moses and Prophet Aaron were also born as Jewish. They could not be affected by Persian culture or religion, simply due to followings: 1. They were geographically far away from Iran and its cultural effects. 2. They did not speak Persian or Iranian language. Prophet Moses and Prophet Aaron were from Ancient Egypt which was completely independent from Persia. Prophet Jesus Christ lived in Roman empire lands as a Jew again nothing to do with Iran. Anyone in Middle East will just laugh at these theories. Really.

First of all, I never felt threatened by Nungali's fantasies. I just smile at them. I am posting just to protect the innocent as usual. Especially Americans are very open to believe such fantasies as they are not good at Middle East history and geography.

Nungali, Answer me simply: Did you say Prophet Abraham is not a real person or not?

Incorrect. Do not believe Nungali's posts, especially if they are about Islam.

Please allow me to contribute to your post. As you said, Knowing and Loving God Almighty is ultimately important. If you refer to 99 Beautiful Names of God Almighty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam), you will see different aspects of God Almighty related with humanity. If you meditate on them, you may understand different energies or Nur from God.

I do not have an altar. I am not pagan. It is your assistant. Do not tell me you did not recognize him?

I agree. It is sometimes difficult.

You posted some photos of Pope. How do they show that he is saving rain forests?

This is NOT an explanation. I have to say that you are completely ignoring energy work and thinking that if one practice long enough, then he can do it. From your link: The most recent monk to complete the challenge was 44-year-old Genshin Fujinami (shown at right), who finished the pilgrimage in September of 2003. He was the first monk to do so in nine years, and only the twelfth since World War II. It is a very seldom occurrence. Yet, ALL of the advanced students of Vitalii succeeds with two hours sleep?

If it is history, demographics and geography there is no place for fantasies.

Too little, too late.