Uroboros

Ah, very good!

 

Definitions vary through ages and traditions, but I would say kairos is an aspect of chronos which corresponds to the yi of the Yi Jing ( which is spelled here the Pinyin way to differentiate from the personal pronoun "I" it can otherwise be mistaken for in the Wade-Giles and more widespread spelling of the I Ching). "Yi" or kairos is "a kind of time," "the weather of the times," with a beginning and an end, and a transition to a different kind, a different cosmic moment. Apparently the authors of the Yi Jing understood its nature similarly, i.e. as times acted upon, not the regular changes of the unfolding of the cosmic process but the kind of changes in the motor of the cosmic time machine you can cause by throwing in a monkey wrench. Some traditions view this monkey wrench as "the mind of god in action, at the time chosen," others, as the mind of goddess impeded, her machinery of life eternal split into irregular and haphazard attempts at Conception, Growth, Fruition -- and artificially skewed toward Consummation... Fruitful subject!

Are you saying that Kairos is an aspect within Chronos?

What is the monkey wrench? Individual consciousness?

If the mind of god is all things, which it must be to be in and of all things, then how could it be a monkey wrench?

OH, are we talking about different gods/ aspects of god?!

So much to ponder here....Jeez, Taomeow. Just open that can of snake worms, why dontcha!?

Which things do you have in mind, Friend?

 

I'm talking about the servants of the Dark Lord, Kronos, Saturn, Lord of the Rings, Ptah, to name a few of his names. They have served him from the beginning of time (something he provides -- the "beginning" of time, by introducing the "end of time," death.) Whatever technology they use today can be fought alchemically to the same extent it has always been fought alchemically. Lead, the Dark Lord's element, can always be transformed into pure gold, no matter what they make out of it. It's a matter of knowing how.

Kronos, pair of Kairos?

Fear is a guide. It can show us where treasures lay waiting for us to find them.

Peace

Sources?

You could take a look at the current state of the worlds economy and the political moves the US has made in the last 15 years. All the sources we need our all around us.

Theories are great! Can you see the effects, the threads, of it in the world? If so, then there may be something there. If not, then it still may be correct, just subtle. Or its not so correct.

The vids I posted go into this stuff in a WAY more accurate and intelligent manner then I could, atm.. Heres another one to help tie the pieces!

Of course, this is just one possibility that seems likely to me. I can watch these videos and see the connections between what they are saying and what is happening.

Tis interesting to read/ listen to someone talk about the why's and how's and then, months later, see those moves they thought might happen, happen.

Peace.

Occasionally, my kidney area/ lower back will hurt quite a bit. Its a hot, pulsing pain.

When I go into this "sensation" and release it, it shrinks into the MingMen.

It seems that the MingMen, when there may be a blockage, it can spread outward and inward.

After releasing into the MingMen, the pain in the kidney/lower back subsides.

Peace

If you would like me to split this topic into two MPG just let me know. The lines in some posts are blurring a bit here though .

haha! Yes. I have been bad. Not staying on topic.

People keep posting interesting stuff! I must reply! I must learn! We must converse!!!

yeah I get what you mean. Bruce Frantzis has it that you train to your 70% potential. What a load of crap. You know damn well he went past that when he trained lol.

 

Yeah like Shakyamuni Buddha told his musician disciple, finetune your mind like a musical instrument's string.

Yes, BKF has a good explanation of it. My teacher explains it differently. Mostly the same.

He most likely did go past it for awhile. I dont know what his 70 percent was, though.

Although, as you train and become stronger, your 70 percent limit moves.

hehe, like a musical string..not too tight, not too loose....Wonderful analogy.

I have found that when manifesting prosperity, that it works better to focus on what you want and need, than money specifically. For example if you need a new car, focusing on that, affirmations for that, visualization for that, hell a talisman for that if you want. This seems to bring about more options for getting the said thing, such as finding a car for 1/5th the price, someone giving you a car (this has happened to a few people who have specifically done work on manifesting a car), or perhaps a friend just letting you use theirs 5 days per week until you get one. This works really well on other stuff too, such as "make sure my kids get into a good college", "me living in a comfortable house", "travel 3 times per year" and so forth.

 

Actually I had an interesting one.. I hadn't been on an international vacation in a few years due to lack of funds. So I did some metaphysical work to make sure I went on one that year. As it turned out my income didn't change a huge amount that year, but a client did fly me overseas to teach him for 2 weeks (then let me use his spare condo on the beach to vacation in for the other 2 weeks). I was quite happy how that worked out :>. It is also likely that if I made enough extra that year for that sort of vacation I would have spent it on other things lol.

That is an excellent point!

Focus on what we want, not the money. I have had similar experiences. Focusing on money rarely works as well as the thing itself.

Sometimes, though, when I am thinking about income, I do pick a number. And then focus on that number.

There is a balancing act. Between the individual things and how much income you feel is what you want.

BaguaKicksAss, is there a specific method you use to help move things along, manifestation wise?

Peace.

Im not gonna quote your post More Pie Guy, but Im doing fine...Im pursuing what I actually want in life, and getting closer and closer to that, In fact I am close to receiving funding like £10,000 worth for community kinda projects like the ones you mentioned, anyone can go and live in a community, but most people are not firm enough to their values or have the balls to do what they actually want. I dont have millions of pounds or whatever but thats not my goal, thats the difference between money and abundance. I know these ideas work, because as soon as I am more specific about what I want, I follow what I really want, and focus on that NOT money, as soon as I change my beliefs on any subject, my behaviour changes, things in my life changes, Ive seen this happen since I was 16, I dont really know what your problem with all that stuff is, Bob Proctor (whos a billionaire with multiple streams of income, said it, millions of people said it, If I said it makes it wrong?? Rich people and poor people think completely different, abundance mentality and scarcity mentality, I dont know what is so high in the sky about this.

 

To TaoMeow, If you were in any way to reffering to me, with your stupid people who think saving money is wrong, I really think you need to rethink what your getting angry or misinterpreting. I know all about saving money, and living cheaply, Ive been doing it for the past year, I went to India for five months on £1000, talk about saving money, and yeh maybe that advice is good for some people, but it is not good advice for me, it is scarcity mentality for me, I would get into real troublesome situations because my focus was on saving money, instead of living well I feel, and that does have some validity. To accuse me of not caring for the environment because I dont want to use baking soda for my hair is frankly innaccurate (if you were suggesting this) by not buying what you want, it doesnt mean you are helping the environment more than I am. I think that is faulty logic, also you really need to think your anger towards "most of society" the way you are talking about most people is just really angry and hateful, kinda like the KULTIVATOR post you made.

Good for you, SkyDog! Good luck with the projects!

That will be fun.

Mentality/ vibrations, etc...They do work. This I have experienced. Action is a part that people miss. Often times, they miss the actual changing of what they put out the most.

I see plenty of people talk about how the LOA does not work..yet they have deep rooted emotions/ programs that are opposing what they want and have not let go of them....

Lots of people want the quick fix without taking the time to completely change how they inter-act with life.

On the subject of TaoMeows post. I think she was making a statement about human civilization in general. Not anyone specifically.

There does happen to be plenty of things going on now to feel angry about. Plenty and then some!

Peace!

Haha of course one could put forth 100 percent. Like for example, the Chan School which leads to sudden enlightenment. They meditate all day and sometimes all night. That's 100 percent. You never really know what your threshold is till you push past it. A lot of people stop at like 20 percent then say they're at 70 percent. Bullshit, you could hold than zhan zhuang stance for hours. You just don't realize it.

 

I only get the best out of a session during the strenuous parts of it. The part where pain becomes really bad and mind wanders. But then it starts to snap and I reached a point where I never reached before.

That is 100 percent! haha. Whoa, intense.

When I say 70 percent, I mean, staying relaxed/ comfortable so your nervous system and energy systems stay "open" and relaxed.

I experience far better "gains" when I do that. Sure, I could go far more! I did that when I first started.

The down side was pricey, though.

Its a different way then some. Full effort without strain. Willing-ness, not willful-ness.

Im glad you get allot of benefit from your practice! That is wonderful!

Peace

Drink a gallon of water a day...this will help get rid of any negative detoxing symptoms.

 

Get a wide array of whole food sources for all possible nutrients. One thing: it might help to have 2 oranges or 1 grapefruit mixed with one fresh organic egg yolk first thing in the morning.

 

Someone mentioned wild goose qigong...that one may be better for you if you're in this primarily for general well being. That's just what I intuitively feel.

 

It's a common occurrence that when you stop practices (messing with the CNS), the body heals itself and you feel better. Nothing wrong with taking breaks...rest is extremely important.

Wild Goose is amazing. For me, atleast. It may not work so well for everyone.

I would definitely stay way from learning it from dvds or books. Far too many subtleties that can change how things move/ work.

Find a good teacher if you are interested. It could be worth it for you.

Was for me.

Peace

Edit- I forgot! Drinking a gallon of water, may, for some people "drown" their body. For some its good, for others its bad.

As always, listen to your self! Your body is EXTREMELY intelligent!

Hmmm, some further ponderings... how about working in one of those fields, education, research, various creative fields, or spiritual (priests of churches do get paid a little bit). In the interim I mean, for a better quality of life within the present construct... while figuring out how to get past it.

 

Btw, More Pie Guy, 80 hours per week?! Do you own your own business? Or just have something extremely important you are working towards/saving up for? (not like you have to answer, I just got curious).

That is a great idea! Working within the arena you love!

Finding the love, the passion and doing that...may help you need far less money.

Create a new construct!! I like this idea.

Peace

We have gotten more automated over time, and unfortunately it hasn't led to more leisure time. I would think society would need to change in some other ways too, value systems and such. Also, as long as folks still actually still physically moved around... I'd hate to see the world's health if we were even more sedentary!

Everyone do QiGong and Internal Martial Arts!!!!

Save the world thru Bagua!

TaiJi bringing Harmony!

Thanks for the advice, guys!

 

I dig what you guys are saying about qigong being very demanding, but this very much feels like a nervous system burnout, and not a physical one.

 

I can easily work-out with weights, hike, do martial arts, for hours at a time no problem. Sure, I'll be a bit sore/tired after, but that passes quickly, often the same day.

 

But what I get from qigong is totally different. It gives me a terrible sleepy/apathetic/indifferent feeling where I can barely get out of bed, and constantly feel like I'm going to fall asleep! It's nothing like physical fatigue I get from physical training.

 

So how long *does* this phase last? Because the last time I was consistent with qigong, I practiced daily for up to 3 months at a time and it never went away, it only got worse until I decided to quit.

 

For what it's worth, I the only two systems I have worked with is Spring Forest Qigong and Flying Phoenix Qigong. FPQG is the one I'm doing right now.

For me, there is a BIG difference between "external" activities and "internal". As you say, I can go for a walk and such, feel fine. Do QiGong? Overloads me fast! haha.

Staying within the comfort range helps your system adjust and heal over time. The key words, Over and Time.

This is Gong. Skill Over Time. We often want it now, now now! Yet, these things build and cultivate over years and years!

So, RELAX! hehe. Just take your time. Listen to where your system is now. What is your current state and capabilites?

Sounds like you keep going over them. So relax. Go slower. Do less. See how you feel, then.

Maybe your system cannot handle a daily practice, yet. Maybe you are doing WAY too much per day.

And it hasnt had that effect for you, so the usual 'supposed' is not relevant to you personally.

 

Best to pay attention to what is.

As Cat says, its not doing what you think it should do. Your system may have "problems" within it that the QiGong is healing.

Yet, your system can only take so much before going beyond relaxation into stress. Does not like that, often.

Getting help from a clinical perspective has saved my bacon! Luckily for me, my teacher does clinical work.

You may want to find a good healer. Whatever modality speaks to you.

There is no set time limit for how long a phase should or will last. Thats important to understand.

You are a unique individual. As such, your condition and progress will be, in many ways, uniquely yours.

Sometimes we have to go backwards to go forwards. We are not really going backwards, it just may seem like that.

Peace

Some forms of qigong actually take as much out of you as running does, but in a different sort of way. 2-3 hours is a lot! Even an hour every single day is a lot if not worked up to it. Also I'd say get in a few sessions with someone in person to check out your qigong, and discuss this with them to see if there is anywhere you might be going wrong sort of thing.

Very true! It has taken me over a year to reach a somewhat consistent hour a day training!

An hour is tough! hehe. Especially if I am "in" it.

The rule is always comfort, though. Willing-ness, not willful-ness.

70 percent rule.

maximum effort without strain. In a relaxed manner. It must feel good.

There was a period when I was learning where I would practice for an hour or two a day.

That burned me out fast! i crashed hard.

My "ego" nature wanted to do allot! More, more! harder, faster!

My system was not ready for that, though. Being gentle helps a huge amount.

I have made far more..harmonious progress by being gentle and staying within the 70 percent. Making sure I feel good.

Otherwise, I end up expending more then I am gaining. No good.

Slow, steady progress with bunches of cyclical bouncing about!

Peace

I know this is probably unheard of, or at least not really common, but I just noticed that qigong was causing (or at least contributing to) some bouts of extreme fatigue and sleepiness I was experiencing in the last few years.

 

About 3-4 months ago I was doing qigong perhaps 2-3 hours a day and constantly felt lethargic as hell, unmotivated, and all I wanted to do was sleep.

 

I stopped everything cold turkey for a couple of months and although felt my body getting much tenser, I had tons of energy, felt great, and could do whatever I wanted. I was also much happier.

 

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, I went back on a steady qigong regimen (out of sheer curiosity), averaging 1 hour a day, and I am again feeling lethargic, barely got out of bed this morning, and feel all around irritable and crappy.

 

So my question is: is this some kind of detox reaction? Should I just stop and forget about qigong, or keep going to hopefully one day break through whatever is going on?

My knowledge and opinion is based on my own experience. Which is limited since I am but a baby.

OK!

Here is what I have for you, Chocolate!

1. Possibly the system you are practicing is not best for your body. I did a form of 8 Brocades and it did nothing for me. I started learning Wild Goose and right away I felt changes and improved way before I even learned the whole first form!

So, the system/ style may not be right for you. Also, it is possible to practice in an incorrect manner and problems can be created there.

2. I have gone thru periods of total exhaustion. where I start to feel "stronger" and then suddenly, Im weak. It feels like im going backwards! I am really not, though. During these periods I may not even feel "strong" enough to practice the whole forms. So, I wait. I rest.

Then, afterwards, the changes reach a point where I can start to train again. And I end up having new things happen internally. Such as, my body showing itself to me in new ways. Feeling things I did not before. All good.

There was a good 5 month period where I was wiped. I FINALLY got to a solid hour of training a day, with consistent quality.

Then a 5 month period of barely being able to do 10 or 20 minutes a day before I felt exhausted. Most of the time, I could not do anything! It sucked!

Letting my body do that, though, was vital. Afterwards, I was far "stronger" and my system had changed in subtle yet powerful ways.

I would recommend listening inward. Listen to your body. To your self.

Thats what I got! Hope this helps!

Peace

I look forward to the day we have unlimited energy, and AI to automate all easy jobs. No more manual labor, menial labor, pointless tasks. People could instead focus on pursuing education, spiritual and creative goals.

We dont need unlimited energy or AI to reach a point closer to that.

It would require a complete restructuring of the way our species operates.

An example. Civilization is eating up the earths resources and destroying the environment because of it.

Well, supposedly there are resources in space. So why dont we go mine some of that?

To do so in the best manner would require, imho, all nations to come together. Then, money could be thrown away.

What is money? its a form of exchange. Ok. so if all nations were united, resources would be shared toward common interests/ goals.

How about the people? Good food, shelter, etc... If everyone has the basic survival needs taken care of, then people are more likely to follow their passions.

Which could usher in a form of cultural and social evolution.

There are still many problems with this idea I have yet to work out.

It does show how there are options, though.

People would have to change what they value.

Star Treks biggest message, I felt, was that when everyone has the basics, civilization flourishes.

Of course, another way could be to just raise the amount people are payed from near slave wages to an actual living wage so people dont have to spend all their time and energy working.

That would require big businesses and the people who own them to actually let go of their money/ change their value system.

Its actually very sad that there are enough billionaires in america, that if each one gave 1 billion dollars, they could positively change the world.

Heck, could feed the world for a year with less then a billion.

Which shows how the allocation of value and goods has become so...twisted.

I think im ranting. Oh no!

Peace.

Every single person I've met that thinks it's easy to get rich is poor, and is supported by their parents.

 

I've had people tell me how to do my job that couldn't perform the same function themselves even if they wanted to. It's the same sort of frustration.

 

I created the thread for tips about how to save money not about getting rich, I think a new thread would be better for discussing how to generate more wealth.

 

It's possible to become rich, most of the people who have gotten rich had a great deal of money to invest, had a good idea, and could convince others to work hard for less than they were worth, and poured their mind, body, and soul into the business till it consumed their life.

 

Take my family for example, a few generations ago my great grandfather was the only doctor in the area, and made a great deal of money in doing so. He had insider knowledge that the TVA was going to dam a river and create a lake for power generation. In the late 1930's, he bought all the property he could afford to around the contour of where the lake would be as cheaply as he could, and in turn, 60 years later it was worth a large fortune.

 

My family developed and sold the property with 0.25 acre lots sometimes selling for 1.5+ million to doctors, lawyers etc looking to build lake homes.

 

They made a fortune, and ****ed through it like spoiled teenagers with a bad coke habit.

 

If I had the money to invest I could generate enough passive income to let me live out my days in luxury, but I don't.

 

You have to have money to invest wisely to obtain a large return on investment.

 

 

If hard work and determination was all that was required to become wealthy, every poor Ethiopian farmer would be a millionaire.

Thank you for responding with such a detailed post!

I agree, there is a pattern of people saying its easy to get "rich". I know it takes loads of effort.

I have little interest in rich, though. Just comfortable. That is FAR less difficult to reach.

Its funny, I do allot of the things you suggested. Cut back on most expenses.

They are rarely needed. So many wasteful uses of monies, for my values.

Congratulations for your Grandfather! sounds like he listened and took action!

Hmm...I hope that some good was able to come from the spending of all the money. Much can be learned.

Investments are tricky, especially now A days.

I prefer to create methods of income based on adding value to the lives of customers. Do I have one yet? Nope.

Life is a tricky business. Some people get "lucky" and are able to slide on thru. Some pour huge amounts of effort and it pays off. Others pour huge amounts of effort and it does not pay off....

Some would say its Karma. I dont know.

I will stick to the topic of saving money/ ways to get things done cheaper. If I come up with something, I will add it!

Good luck!

Peace

How about you make a lot of money, and come back and lecture us on how to do so once you've made a fortune?

 

Until then you are advising others on how to do something you yourself have yet to do.

 

I really don't think you staying in a Holiday Inn express last night matters much.

That is a good point. Interesting thoughts and questions spring from it.

I happen to think that advice is just advice. People can take it or leave it.

Just because one person has not yet done something, does not mean the advice is bad, though.

Why is it bad to share ideas even if you have yet to succeed in implementing them? Does that somehow, suddenly, make the idea invalid?

Peace.

I recently got the book. (taoist sexual meditation) It is quite impressive. Im taking it slow and absorbing the information.

Already, though, I am learning some interesting things.

I feel like his explanation of the Outer Dissolving practice is BETTER in this book, then in Opening the Energy Gates!!

I always felt like Opening was too...vague. The way it described it did not work for me so well.

He gives quite a few more explanations in this one, combined with Energy Gates, should help anybody "get" it.

I had not thought of using Dissolving during sex....such a neat idea!

I would reccomend the book, so far.

Peace!

One way you could go about it is to create Value.

Create and Distribute Value and people will exchange what they feel is equal to that Value you Created.

Sometimes lowering the price increases Demand. Sometimes increasing the price does.

Whats the difference? From what I have seen, its Value. If people feel the Value is worth the Price, they Demand it. hehe.

Some thoughts.

Peace

you're talking about that movie, arent you?

 

 

John Carter of Mars?

Nope. Although, I have heard the movie is pretty accurate.

Im talking about Mars before it was ruined. When it was filled with life.

Pre-war. Long, long time ago.

i doubt we're all from mars. maybe a few of us, but i know i am as old as the earth (spiritually speaking) and know no place else i could feel be my home.

 

 

If you feel like you'd be mroe at home on mars, quite frankly, i dont want you here

Hehe, depends on if we are talking pre-war Mars or the current, post-war Mars.

BIG difference.