Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 性 - nature, our physical bodies / external self 情 - our thoughts, emotions and feelings / internal self Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 風水 風 feng1 - wind [thoughts] 水 shui3 water [e(nergy)-motions] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 red and orange are the colours of the first and second chakra, respectively purple is the colour of the crown chakra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 紫色的氣機作用點在頂輪 The action point of the purple qi is on the crown chakra 橘紅色的，頻率比較低，位於生殖輪的光 orange-red, with a relatively low frequency, located in the light of the reproductive chakra. 下腹部，只能出現橘紅色低頻率的光 … the lower abdomen, only the orange-red low-frequency light can appear … From https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53618-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-huang-tingjing/?do=findComment&comment=982044 Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 烏肝 crow inner feeling purple/black #6, thirdeye chakra Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 兔髓 red/orange rabbit innermost #1& 2, physical root chakra & sexuality chakra Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) The crow 烏 flies in the sky and the rabbit 兔 reproduces on earth. Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, awaken said: 氣就是光，光就是氣 qi is light and light is qi 唯一的差別就在於感知的器官不同 氣使用身體感知，光使用第三眼感知 The only difference is the organ of perception Qi uses body perception, light uses third eye perception 兔髓 #1&2, body perception 烏肝 #6, third eye chakra 4 hours ago, awaken said: 後面還是會演化的 只是演化的基礎是建立在前一個基礎上 It will evolve later It's just that the foundation of evolution is built on the previous foundation #7, crown chakra Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted May 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Cobie said: 脈輪 - chakra 脈 mai4 - < things connected like blood vessels, e.g. veins of leaves or insect wings; subterranean water currents > wheel lun2 - wheel dan dan1 - red Tian tian2 - field Also see https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53618-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-huang-tingjing/?do=findComment&comment=983080 Also see https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53618-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-huang-tingjing/?do=findComment&comment=983082 In this case Cinnabar would be what 丹 is referencing Dan Tien = Cinnabar field Cinnabar = Original Divine Spirit It is an alchemical term...High level stuff tbh In Daoism the chakras are not called chakras...they are either referred to as the seven wheels, seven fires or seven cauldrons The idea of "connection" would be the notion that they run along the spiritual aspect of the spine which is innervated, and that the seven chakras have their physical correlates in or around the major glands of the body....which as you know are all linked to the nervous system 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: … Dan Tien = Cinnabar field … Cinnabar was one of the lethal remedies the preceding ‘external elixer’ was poisoning people with. The name then transferred to the next efforts to produce an ‘internal elixer’. Dan tien = 丹田 dan1 tian2 ‘dan’ means ‘pellet’ in this context and stood in general for a medicine, ‘elixer’. ‘tian’ means ‘field’, a metaphor for an area that work is done. Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Shadow_self Posted May 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cobie said: Cinnabar was one of the lethal remedies the ‘externalalchemy’ was poisoning people with. The name transferred to the ‘internal alchemy’. The traditions of internal and external alchemy are not referring to the same thing...But for an interesting discussion on external alchemy...I would not look into Daoism...The Burmese traditions are where it is still alive and kicking In Nei dan the reference to red means something specific The use of cinnabar here refers to the fusing together of true gold and true silver. It forms a red pill (True Yang)...that work needs to be done with...you are talking about the higher stages of Nei Dan now, prior to the golden embryo The red thing they are referring to, as far as I understand it is not a borrowed term for something quite abstract...it means something quite literal 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: The red thing ... is not a borrowed term for something quite abstract...it means something quite literal Cinnabar has a bright red colour. Edited May 23, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: … the fusing together of true gold and true silver. … This sounds similar to Western alchemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Cobie Posted May 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: . You are an absolute angel. Thank you very much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 烏肝 & 兔髓 = 魂 & 魄 ~~~ The cultivation of the ‘hun & po’ in the Huang Ting Jing 黃 庭 經 講 的 魂 魄 修 煉， Huáng tíng jīng jiǎng de hún pò xiū liàn, is the same as the cultivation of the ‘crow & rabbit’ in Wuzhen. 跟 悟 真 篇 講 的 烏 兔 修 煉，是同樣的 gēn wù zhēn piān jiǎng de wū tù xiūliàn, shì tóngyàng de ~~~ Hun/crow is like the cloud and mist of the northern-lights 魂者，云也 如同北極光之雲霧，烏肝也 Po/rabbit is only white light 魄者，白也 如同玉兔之白光，兔髓也 Also see https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53618-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-huang-tingjing/?do=findComment&comment=983400 and the post above it. Edited May 25, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 魂 云 yun2 - cloud 鬼 gui3 - ghost 魄 白 bai2 - white 鬼 gui3 - ghost 魂 hún - soul. third-eye (#6) chakra light ‘qi’ 魄 pò - body. root /orange (#1&2) chakra wave energy ‘qi’ 烏肝 wu1 gan1 - crow, inner feelings. Multicoloured light 兔髓 tu4 sui3 - rabbit, reproductive innermost. White light only 黃 庭 經 Huang2 Ting2 Jing1 - Yellow Court Scripture Edited May 25, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted May 25, 2022 兔髓 White light only. It must be the #3 yellow chakra then, which fits the position of the LDT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted May 26, 2022 On 21.5.2022 at 6:33 PM, Cobie said: Originally the Hindu chakra system had only 3 chakras (the primary colours). 🤔 Would you happen to have a reference for that? On 21.5.2022 at 6:33 PM, Cobie said: The Chinese have 上， 中，and 下 丹田 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted May 26, 2022 On 21.5.2022 at 8:12 PM, Cobie said: Why is this incorrect? I would say that LDT ties in more with the Muladhara chakra and especially with the Svaddhistana chakra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) On 23.5.2022 at 12:08 PM, Cobie said: Cinnabar was one of the lethal remedies the preceding ‘external elixer’ was poisoning people with. That could hardly have been the case. Unlike many other mercury compounds, cinnabar is neither water-soluble nor particularly unstable, therefore it's relatively harmless. This is not to say that external alchemy (including its Indian and Western brands) never uses potentially hazardous substances - however, proper alchemical processing renders them non-toxic and beneficial for health. Of course, tragic accidents may occur when those same substances are handled by ignorant and/or inexperienced practitioners. Quote The name then transferred to the next efforts to produce an ‘internal elixer’. Dan tien = 丹田 dan1 tian2 ‘dan’ means ‘pellet’ in this context and stood in general for a medicine, ‘elixer’. ‘tian’ means ‘field’, a metaphor for an area that work is done. Cinnabar is a compound of mercury and sulfur, which are considered two basic constituents of matter in Western alchemy. Only that in the latter context, generally reference is made not to physical mercury and physical sulfur, but to their subtle equivalents (of sorts). As Western alchemy has much in common with Chinese alchemy, I would assume that Neidan practitioners (borrowing their terminology from Waidan) simply employed these terms to identify corresponding aspects of human subtle anatomy. Edited May 26, 2022 by Michael Sternbach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted May 26, 2022 硃砂在丹道當中代表還沒有被精煉過的神火 汞代表被精煉過的神火 這是兩者同時被提到的狀態下，有一種比較 如果只是單獨提到汞，或者和鉛一起被提到，那就是單純指的神火 Cinnabar represents the unrefined Shen fire in Dan Dao Mercury represents the refined Shen fire This is a state where both are mentioned at the same time, there is a comparison If mercury is mentioned alone, or together with lead, it is simply referring to Shen fire 使用汞這個名詞，是因為剛開始練功的時候，心念非常容易移動，跟汞的性質相同 The use of the term mercury is because when you first started practicing, your mind was very easy to move, and it has the same properties as mercury. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Cobie said: 兔髓 White light only. It must be the #3 yellow chakra then, which fits the position of the LDT. 不對 兔髓不屬於七脈輪系統 烏肝也有白色的，但是兔髓不屬於烏肝七脈輪系統的顏色 這就是我不喜歡跟不練的人講的原因 因為不練，所以搞不清楚怎麼回事 烏肝兔髓根本就是不同的意識狀態，不是相同的意識狀態下的兩種顏色 因為你不練，所以你完全搞不清楚 因為你不練，所以你完全搞不清楚 重要的事情說三次 wrong Rabbit marrow is not part of the seven chakra system Black liver is also white, but rabbit marrow is not the color of black liver seven chakra system That's why I don't like talking to people who don't practice Because you don't practice, so you don't know what's going on Black liver and rabbit marrow are simply different states of consciousness, not two colors in the same state of consciousness Because you don't practice, you can't figure it out at all Because you don't practice, you can't figure it out at all Important things are said three times 如果你想看別人描述兔髓的現象，你可以去參考南傳修煉者的似相取相 If you want to see other people describe the phenomenon of rabbit marrow, you can refer to the similarities and appearances of cultivators in the Southern Tradition 南傳的練法比較偏向陰，所以他們會出現兔髓 搬運法的練法比較偏向陽，所以他們會出現烏肝 還有一些搞冥想的也比較偏向陽，所以他們會出現烏肝 會出現兔髓的，一定是對內在的覺察有一定的深度，才有辦法出現兔髓 如果都是向外追求，基本上是不可能出現兔髓的 Nan Chuan's practice is more yin, so they will appear rabbit marrow The practice of the transfer method is more inclined to Yan, so they will appear black liver There are also some people who meditate more towards Yan, so they will have black liver Rabbit marrow will appear, it must have a certain depth of inner awareness, only then can rabbit marrow appear. If it is all pursued outwardly, it is basically impossible for rabbit marrow to appear. 只有開發下丹田烏肝的人，不可能了解什麼是兔髓 也不可能了解什麼是陽生二階段 你大概沒看過六角形不動在眼前吧？ 你大概也沒看過正圓形不動在眼前吧？ 只有中丹田開發的人，才有能力出現曼陀羅 Only those who developed the black liver in the lower dantian can not understand what is rabbit marrow It is also impossible to understand what is the second stage of yangsheng You probably haven't seen a hexagon that doesn't move in front of you, right? You probably haven't seen a perfect circle that doesn't move in front of you, have you? Only those who develop the middle dantian can have the ability to appear mandalas 你想要知道什麼是兔髓，不能用這樣亂湊的方式，真是太誇張了 你要自己去練，自己親自練到 而不是用想像的 You want to know what is rabbit marrow, you can't use such a way, it's too exaggerated You have to reach it yourself rather than imagine 請不要用想像的方式去亂湊兔髓，把自己沒練到的東西，用想像的方式去拼湊 這在修行界是非常大的禁忌 你想要知道什麼是兔髓 就拿出你的真本事來練 請不要用想像的 你用想像的方式去面對兔髓 你是在扭曲丹道 你這樣做，跟搬運法練習者有何不同呢？ 我不想理你，就是這個原因，因為你不練 你堅持不練 你用腦袋在思考 這樣是不可能搞懂的 我再理你下去，就是浪費我的生命在一個光說不練的人身上 Edited May 26, 2022 by awaken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted May 26, 2022 Cinnabar is a reference to the Original Divine Spirit, whereas Mercury is a reference to the Human Intellectual Mind Initially the Mercury is extracted from the Cinnabar as a byproduct of existence and the "fall" from spiritual existence The location of the Mercury is within the heart mind You extract the mercury from here and return it to the Cinnabar field That is sent down into the "Cauldron" of the Lower Dan Tien with the Lead (which is related to Jing) that rises up from below 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
