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The Dangers of "Othering"

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6 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Just because a word as broad in meaning as "other" carries negative connotations in some contexts doesn't mean it refers to something bad in all circumstances for all purposes.

   

No, the machine hasn't "become" other.  It has always been "other."  We are not a natural part of the machine.  We are embodied.  The machine is incorporated.  The Latin meaning -- "taking possession of a body," "intruding into a body," "adding other things to a body" or "forming an artificial body out of parts" -- in other words, hijacking a body and/or assembling an automaton, a machine out of stolen/altered bodies.  Originally "to incorporate" referred to what demons do when they take control of human bodies.  An incorporated body means a body possessed by demons.

 

We are not "the same" as demons originally.  We are "other" to the world of demons, and to the world they assemble into the Machine.  We can only be displaced (no longer embodied, kicked out of our own bodies) toward corporate (corporeal) unity with them.  

 

  

placing as a marker, if that's ok? 

 will get back to this

 

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37 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 

I agree that the sense of 'others' 'not me' exist is hardwired in. How I choose to act towards 'others' is a choice.

Sometimes I wonder how much of a choice people have. The conditioning is so effective, the reactivity so familiar.

 

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Spiritual charging stations are few and far between; are the masses doomed to repeat the cycle, roughly,  every 4th generation ?

2021

1941

1861

1781

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I think the charging stations are everywhere. The question for me is what sparks the interest?

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5 minutes ago, steve said:

Sometimes I wonder how much of a choice people have. The conditioning is so effective, the reactivity so familiar.

 

I think the charging stations are everywhere. The question for me is what sparks the interest?

alright. familiar charging stations everywhere. 

and yet,,,

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I placed some dates out, years that stand out historically. Does the whole world go mad roughly every eighty years?

or is there a process slowly playing out? (incrementally)

until 1941, US citizens didn't need a passport to freely travel abroad. then 2009, US citizens have to show a passport to re-enter the US.

Now, 2021, and travel restrictions ( extended until 2022) within the US is being talked about, and actually has already occurred. 

Having the federal govt changing interstate travel from a right to a privilege, granted to those in the good graces,,,,

folks, this is a path gone down before.

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:

Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual?

 

Mr. Spock said yes, Captain Kirk said no.

Some things are bad for the many and for the individual :)

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24 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:

Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual?

 

Mr. Spock said yes, Captain Kirk said no.

Wasn't that in the context that when the immediate need of the many was secured, the need of the one could be sought for? 

 

Been a while since I saw the movies in question, but this is how I recall it. 

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On 8/17/2021 at 4:03 AM, Toni said:

good point. This could become nazi germany easily, but the blind never see

 I think they see it and are welcoming it. Darkness holds a power to seduce the 

‘over-whelming’ majority.

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4 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 I think they see it and are welcoming it. Darkness holds a power to seduce the 

‘over-whelming’ majority.

Do you think darkness is stronger than reason? I am not sure

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1 hour ago, Toni said:

Do you think darkness is stronger than reason? I am not sure

Do you think the 'over-whelming' majority uses power of Reason ?

Do you think that they rely of self sufficiency?

Or take responsibility for their own health, even??   I realize this is a loaded question. and each of these questions are rhetorical and do not require an answer. I hope the readers will think about these questions.

 

Because whichever side of a fence you find yourself on, these same questions apply equally.

 

When Darkness settles in, often times, Reason is hard to find. Many will just think of saving their own skin and maybe not much concern for their neighbor. This is the point of this thread and can the Shadow be diverted.

 

Irrationality vs Reason.  which is the stronger,,,

 

A Black Swan looks at its pond, twitches, turns, prepares for flight. When the Shadow of the Black Swan becomes apparent;

psychological biases. will blind people collectively and individually, the vixx on the uncertainty scale will fly off the chart.

 

Folks, we aint seen nuthin' yet.

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 I think they see it and are welcoming it. Darkness holds a power to seduce the 

‘over-whelming’ majority.

 

Now who is othering?

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20 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Now who is othering?

Not me, I am not immune from it either.

I identify with the pronouns,; 'we' 'they'

 

Othering is a dangerous thing.

It is an inner struggle that we all have to deal with.

It is an inner struggle that they all have to deal with.

 

Each and everyone of us. individually and collectively.

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50 minutes ago, zerostao said:

Do you think the 'over-whelming' majority uses power of Reason ?

Do you think that they rely of self sufficiency?

Or take responsibility for their own health, even??   I realize this is a loaded question. and each of these questions are rhetorical and do not require an answer. I hope the readers will think about these questions.

 

When Darkness settles in, often times, Reason is hard to find. Many will just think of saving their own skin and maybe not much concern for their neighbor. This is the point of this thread and can the Shadow be diverted.

 

Irrationality vs Reason.  which is the stronger,,,

 

A Black Swan looks at its pond, twitches, turns, prepares for flight. When the Shadow of the Black Swan becomes apparent;

psychological biases. will blind people collectively and individually, the vixx on the uncertainty scale will fly off the chart.

 

Folks, we aint seen nuthin' yet.

 

 

 

You are absolutely right, and let me tell you that you see things very clearly. It is just that in my case I prefer to be a little more optimistic. I think some people will somehow understand they have been lied hard (although maybe not publicly, not even to themselves, but deep inside they will know), as the lie is too evident. And this winter it will probably be even more so.

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3 hours ago, zerostao said:

 I think they see it and are welcoming it. Darkness holds a power to seduce the 

‘over-whelming’ majority.

 

Who are "they" that are welcoming Nazism?

Which "others" are you referring to here?

The over-whelming majority of what?

American citizens?

Humans?

People who have been vaccinated and are trying to mitigate and minimize the effects of the pandemic?

I'm confused with all of the ambiguous discussion in this thread.

It is supposed to be about the dangers of "othering" but it seems to be very divisive. 

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1 minute ago, steve said:

 

Who are "they" that are welcoming Nazism?

Which "others" are you referring to here?

The over-whelming majority of what?

American citizens?

Humans?

People who have been vaccinated and are trying to mitigate and minimize the effects of the pandemic?

I'm confused with all of the ambiguous discussion in this thread.

It is supposed to be about the dangers of "othering" but it seems to be very divisive. 


It became a lot more of “coffee shop dweller thinking aloud” than a discussion on othering towards the end of page one for me, so I’m not even sure what everyone is talking about anymore either.

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35 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Who are "they" that are welcoming Nazism?

Which "others" are you referring to here?

The over-whelming majority of what?

American citizens?

Humans?

People who have been vaccinated and are trying to mitigate and minimize the effects of the pandemic?

I'm confused with all of the ambiguous discussion in this thread.

It is supposed to be about the dangers of "othering" but it seems to be very divisive. 

I’m on a five minute work break. I will  reply to this, this evening.

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1 hour ago, steve said:

 

Who are "they" that are welcoming Nazism?

 

There's an official "F-scale" psychological test that was developed to determine individual tendencies toward fascism.  There's been scientific publications I've seen years ago where specialists in history and mass psychology applied certain criteria which they found to be conductive to fascist developments to whole societies and countries.  (A worthwhile study, especially older publications that were not "politically corrected" later.)   Basically, be it an individual or a whole society that scores high on the F-scale, we can be fairly sure that we're dealing with an individual who will welcome fascism at first opportunity (of course these days he will be calling it something entirely else -- and remain unaware that his stance is blatantly fascist, believing it is something entirely else) -- or, accordingly, a society that is ripe for it. 

    

As for me, I've always thought that nazism refers to what it  was originally called by its creator adolph hitler -- national socialism -- and fascism, to how its creator benito mussolini defined it: "a merger of government and corporate power." 

 

"They" who are welcoming that stuff are those who welcome either or both.  It's terrifyingly simple.  If people accept the merger of government and corporate power, everything else is stylistic nuances -- of fascism.  Which might tiptoe into existence softly so that most people who fall in lockstep don't even hear the footsteps and don't see where it's taking them -- or advance decisively, attracting a bit more attention...  or go now this way, now that way, as lenin put it, one step forward, two steps back...  but like I said, those are stylistic nuances.    

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25 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

If people accept the merger of government and corporate power, everything else is stylistic nuances -- of fascism.

 

Arguably this was sanctioned by the US supreme court in 2010. Since then it seems that acceptance by people is largely irrelevant.

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14 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Arguably this was sanctioned by the US supreme court in 2010. Since then it seems that acceptance by people is largely irrelevant.


‘Citizens United decision. Justice Roberts a former corporate lawyer was instrumental in encouraging that case to be brought before SCOTUS. 

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32 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Arguably this was sanctioned by the US supreme court in 2010. Since then it seems that acceptance by people is largely irrelevant.

 

Default acceptance by people of things they shouldn't be accepting is what ultimately makes people irrelevant.  All people at that, contrary to what the ones thinking of themselves as the chosen ones safe and secure and relevant as long as they follow all orders of the government-corporate chimera tend to believe.  All people, them included.  People as a phenomenon of relevance.   

 

Alas, people are busy accepting more and more scripts teaching them more and more ways of "othering" each other over all the irrelevant (by comparison, under the circumstances, in the grand scheme of things etc.) stuff, so the relevant is slipped past their noses unnoticed.

 

Which is why these days Maslow's "hierarchy of human needs" pyramid is turned upside down and left standing on its shaky tip, leaning now to the left, now to the right, wobbling, ready to topple over.  

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Maybe we should talk abour dictatorship, rather than fascism/nazism. 

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5 minutes ago, Toni said:

Maybe we should talk abour dictatorship, rather than fascism/nazism. 

 

Yeah, there's been ample progress -- these days we should be paying attention to neo/techno feudalism aka globalism.  Or, rather, we should have been paying attention decades ago. 

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I'm always glad that it the fault always lies in other people. Makes it so no ruthless self examination is necessary (especially on the person I have the greatest power to change).

 

Oops. Did I do an othering? :lol:

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