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Is somebody doing Tien Shan nei kung from starjumper (Steve Gray)?

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I’m a online student of Mr Gray.

 

Being doing Tien Shan Nei Kung/ Chi Kung for roughly 12 months.

 

Benefits I’ve gained, increased energy, increased recovery, increased internal health, enlightenment and some other party tricks developed long the way. There are few burdens to developing high chi, including heating up and others things. No power comes without some price.

 

He as beginning and inter levels online. Though not full system they can take you pretty damm far as it’s powerful chi developing system.

 

Warm regards to All 🙏🙏

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How would you describe this 'enlightenment' that you have gained  ?

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30 minutes ago, Nungali said:

How would you describe this 'enlightenment' that you have gained  ?

 

It all honesty it happened sooner than should have. Cause I’d been training relative short time. The Tien Shan powerful chi kung mixed with some higher level meditations ( didn’t know they were higher level) maybe I should not of been doing at beginning levels. The kundalini Yoga way. The energy went up my spine and into my head for several hours. I was red hot like having a horrid fear filled fever, not at all nice. Then the energy energised the crown Charaka which felt like a release valve. Then the heat in my head was released and I cooled down. It was very hard and brutal on my body. Not at all pleasant.

 

Then for three days I felt great. A feeling of pure love and bliss. Obviously the initial energising of the crown charaka leads to a profound very pleasant neural chemical release.

 

The aftermath of enlightenment is very mixed bag of emotions good and bad. I think you gotta experience these kind of things to truly understand them. 

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Ohhhh ... that kind of 'enlightenment' . 

 

   To me that sounds more like an 'illuminative experience ' . 'Enlightenment' or 'illumination' , it seems to me , is   on-going and penetrates all spheres of understanding .  Its a way of looking at and understanding the world and your place in it , not just an experience of 'illumination' , which can and often does react with the body and emotions , much like an electric shock does . 

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I honestly didn’t give a crap bout enlightenment. I got into building Chi as somebody who was interested in the ancient training methods of the masters to improve my Martial Arts prowess.

 

I found Mr Grays Tien Shan Chi Kung beginning levels ( wasn’t corresponding with Mr Gray at this time), did the powerful chi kung and Meditations, also other higher power meditations, I won’t speak of.

 

One starts to feel energy in the body and that gets stronger creating a powerful process of inner spiritual alchemy. Like I said I wasn’t really in the game for this stuff. It just happened as a by product, I wanted just gain chi power for my Martial Arts.

 

What do you really want? The ability to heat your hands up and project some energy out the hands silly little party tricks. Or do you want powerful white energy cruising through the veins, that gives you glowing energy to make love/ work hard from 6am to 12am at night? Powerful energy to get lots done. A powerful Aura and immune system, protecting you from disease and illness. Feeling absolutely fantastic and great. Being a nicer, better well rounded person with little to no sick energy in the body.

 

These are the real benefits of building high Chi.

 

Warm Regards.

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23 hours ago, Nungali said:

Ohhhh ... that kind of 'enlightenment' . 

 

   To me that sounds more like an 'illuminative experience ' . 'Enlightenment' or 'illumination' , it seems to me , is   on-going and penetrates all spheres of understanding .  Its a way of looking at and understanding the world and your place in it , not just an experience of 'illumination' , which can and often does react with the body and emotions , much like an electric shock does . 

 

This sort of experience is often considered the first opportunity to notice the softness of reality... a precursor to enlightenment if properly pursued. The possibility of truly seeing through this illusion is present in EVERY moment. As for the rest... what would you think of someone excitedly putting pyrite into their backpack in a goldmine?

 

The goldmine is always HERE, NOW.

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I've always been tempted to give this qigong a try, I still might. But I'm always a little put off by the grandiose claims: "for producing super men and women."

 

Is Steve a super man? Would superman spend his time on forums threatening to kill people who disagree with him?

 

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3 hours ago, stirling said:

what would you think of someone excitedly putting pyrite into their backpack in a goldmine?

If someone is primarily a martial artist, it's more like taking all the C4 in the goldmine and putting it into the backpack, and filling the knapsack while being there. 

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49 minutes ago, Vajra Fist said:

I've always been tempted to give this qigong a try, I still might. But I'm always a little put off by the grandiose claims: "for producing super men and women."

 

Is Steve a super man? Would superman spend his time on forums threatening to kill people who disagree with him?

 

 

Mr Gray himself in his book “ Lineage of Dragons” and in the YouTube video “ Nei Kung is Bullshit video” says the best benefits that come from the chi kung are energy and super health. Any abilities that may or may not come are merely side effects of the training. These party tricks may waste chi and stop you growing. I would take superman comments as a reference more to super health. 

 

On this thread there are a few people that think highly of Steve/ Mr Gray As for aggressive behaviour it was internet arguing that went too far.  No excuses but in the heat of the moment things can go too far, people can say things which they regret.No ones  perfect not even the gods. 

 

If you did do the Chi Kung and showed seriousness Mr Gray would help and answer your emails and guide you on the way. He his a real teacher/ Master with 30 years experience.

 

Tien Shan is a real deal, powerful ancient Daoist Neikung system. Ultimately though it’s alot of work which you must do.   

Beginning and inter levels will take you very far. After several years if serious he may give bit more privately to the serious and ethical. So you can go very far

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I think this Joe90 is very suspicious. He is a newcomer only talking about Steve Gray, and giving lessons to everybody like he knows a lot. Are you actually Steve??

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1 minute ago, Toni said:

I think this Joe90 is very suspicious. He is a newcomer only talking about Steve Gray, and giving lessons to everybody like he knows a lot. Are you actually Steve??

 

No not Steve Gray. I’m a 38 year old from the UK. Online student of Mr Gray Tien Shan Chi Kung. I’ve been doing Chi Kung for about 12 months. If you don’t believe that I can’t make you.

 

Lots and lots I don’t know. Answering questions mate hardly giving lessons, I just answered the thread cause I’m doing Tien Shan. Which what thread bout.

 

Warm regards 🙏🙏

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15 hours ago, stirling said:

 

This sort of experience is often considered the first opportunity to notice the softness of reality... a precursor to enlightenment if properly pursued. The possibility of truly seeing through this illusion is present in EVERY moment. As for the rest... what would you think of someone excitedly putting pyrite into their backpack in a goldmine?

 

The goldmine is always HERE, NOW.

 

 

 

I think they would have a long haul to the New Age Crystal Shop to sell it for a few dollars .  There, at the shop, its price will be greatly inflated . Karen will eventually buy it ans sit it on her crystal altar at home next to the salt lamp.  

 

 

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12 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

I've always been tempted to give this qigong a try, I still might. But I'm always a little put off by the grandiose claims: "for producing super men and women."

 

Is Steve a super man? Would superman spend his time on forums threatening to kill people who disagree with him?

 

 

 

 

A person who once had an 'illumination'  might .  But I doubt someone who was 'enlightened '  would .

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11 hours ago, Toni said:

I think this Joe90 is very suspicious. He is a newcomer only talking about Steve Gray, and giving lessons to everybody like he knows a lot. Are you actually Steve??

 

I think we have had two people join recently , just to post in this thread and attempt to support SJ  .

 

Someone or something is behind that  ....  unless its all ' coincidence '  :rolleyes:

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Hi folks!

 

Steve wanted to point out that he doesn't have a sock puppet account on TDB, he has politely asked if someone could post his reply to the discussion and I volunteered to do that. 

 

 

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I’m happy for Steve Gray. Good to know he’s doing better with his teaching and living situation.

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5 hours ago, Cleansox said:

 

Steve wanted to point out that he doesn't have a sock puppet account on TDB

 

 

Hi Cleansox,

 

I thought this thread was heading for a closure.

 

My take ~ it is best for Steve to keep his silence henceforth.

 

 

- Anand

 

 

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Moderator message -

 

Steve Gray's post via Cleansox has been hidden.

He was banned for threats of violence and a pattern of verbal abuse, that includes posting by proxy. 

I've asked once that we not revisit this old conflict as most of us have moved on.

If you all want to discuss his qigong, feel free.

Otherwise, please let it go. 

Posting messages from banned members is not a great idea, particularly when the relayed message includes threats of violence. Please refrain from this.

Thanks 

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There are a few people on this thread that have expressed interest in Tien Shan Taoist chikung/ Neikung.

 

If you read read my previous comments you will hear of many of the positive effects of the Tien Shan Chi Kung. 

 

The level 1 can be found on Vimeo and is sold at a very reasonable price. Purchase the video do the chi kung as frequently as possible, I believe energy work especially at the beginning requires most day practice. Notice as time goes by how the chi kung effects ones energy and how it makes you feel. If you like it and notice the benefits after 3-6 months move onto level 2. And hopefully continue on through the system.

If you prove serious Mr Gray will likely answer emails and questions and help you out. A teacher with 30 years experience, the holder of a real powerful Neikung system.

 

Real Neikung in this day an age is truly a rare Jewell to behold. Maybe I’m bit bias, but a practice that goes back 3000 years in its original form is something very special.

 

Warm regards and best wishes for those that decide to take the Journey, 🙏🙏

 

 

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4 hours ago, steve said:

Moderator message -

 

Steve Gray's post via Cleansox has been hidden.

He was banned for threats of violence and a pattern of verbal abuse, that includes posting by proxy. 

I've asked once that we not revisit this old conflict as most of us have moved on.

If you all want to discuss his qigong, feel free.

Otherwise, please let it go. 

Posting messages from banned members is not a great idea, particularly when the relayed message includes threats of violence. Please refrain from this.

Thanks 

 

 

Threats of violence via proxy , still  ?.

 

I am glad Steve finally got some students as I  felt  he was depressed and feeling unappreciated  before when he didnt have any (or only had one )  and glad  that he is still enjoying his abode .

 

But looks like he still hasnt got his temper under control . 

 

Should not any system that teaches 'power'  have a method or way of addressing such an imbalance ?  I  mean , if one is going to work on building up  power .... but cant control the temper  ........  

 

 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, steve said:

Moderator message -

 

Steve Gray's post via Cleansox has been hidden.

He was banned for threats of violence and a pattern of verbal abuse, that includes posting by proxy. 

I've asked once that we not revisit this old conflict as most of us have moved on.

If you all want to discuss his qigong, feel free.

Otherwise, please let it go. 

Posting messages from banned members is not a great idea, particularly when the relayed message includes threats of violence. Please refrain from this.

Thanks 

 

I thought the subject is about you.  It is another Steve right?

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2 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

I thought the subject is about you.  It is another Steve right?

Steve Gray = Starjumper

Not me

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33 minutes ago, steve said:

Steve Gray = Starjumper

Not me

 

Thanks, I read his profile which says he was inner door disciple of Fook Yueng, who was Bruce Lee's uncle and main Kung Fu teacher.   This seems not to be in accordance with the background of Bruce Lee. 

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