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Is there a point in celibacy if you dont transmute the enregy ?

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2 minutes ago, waterdrop said:


why exactly that would help with consuming the sexual energy ?

@waterdrop The Kidneys are the major player in the storing of Jing/Essence and the Kidney channel is what connects our feet to the Earth. Mingmen is the gate along the spine that accesses and tonifies the energy of the Kidneys. Keeping the mingmen "open" is like having a vent for the kidney energy stay healthy and balanced. So basically opening that area in the physical body will help to tonify the kidneys and thereby balance any disharmonies that might come from storing up an excess of sexual energy. This has been my personal experience at least. 

 

Maybe it would be useful to focus less on "consuming" and more on  "distributing" or "dispersing" the energy. We don't want our body to
"consume" more energy so much as adapt to a new baseline of having an overall higher level of energy in the system. My experience has been that the physical body has to adjust to the raw power of sexual energy and this is process that doesn't happen over night. We also have to get used to the way our minds shift as different organ energies and their emotions become more prevalent.

 

The sexual energy (lust, horniness) is usually perceived as residing in the hips/pelvis... it can feel very dense and intense especially if one is practicing celibacy. In reality, the sensation we feel in our pelvis is simply raw energy which can (theoretically) be distributed to the rest of the body and yield a nurturing/healing result. It isn't necessary to try and "move" the energy with the mind or breath... this can be achieved by opening these parts of the body through physical movement (as in wall squats or hip circles).

 

In popular subtle body practices, there is a lot of emphasis on moving energy from the lower centers up to the head or heart but it is equally important to make sure that the legs are open and the energy can move down/be drawn up from the earth. This has been my personal experience at least and it's the method that was recommended to me by teachers. IMHO there could be more emphasis on the grounding/rooting aspects of the practice - something I wish I knew in hindsight. 

 

 

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great replies ...   i will re read them later -  after i  will read in other sources about this  so i will understand your good comments better  -  i am asking though  to get a bit more understanding (cause i do understand them just not fully)  and more stuff to read later 

I now practice damo mitchell online course  and  it talks there about  building the lower dan tian  -  so thought maybe the solution to the sexual energy would be only after i get a dan tian  that i can fill up    which i understand can take some time
 

19 minutes ago, dlc123 said:

. So basically opening that area in the physical body will help to tonify the kidneys and thereby balance any disharmonies that might come from storing up an excess of sexual energy


what will happen to that excess energy  ?      (if say just the mingman is open and not the full microcosmic orbit) 

btw if you have a view on abrefoot in training qigong  - or for example sitting on a chair with feet on the ground would be nice to get your view  -  (i put this in case you didnt see this thread but feel free to ignore it if you did)  
https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/51004-barefoot-in-training-and-daily-life-or-shoes/?tab=comments#comment-932403
 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, waterdrop said:



I now practice damo mitchell online course  and  it talks there about  building the lower dan tian  -  so thought maybe the solution to the sexual energy would be only after i get a dan tian 

Probably not. 

It is as likely that you get more horny from that. 

 

In my practice, there is an equal amount of releasing desire and reversing Water that does the trick. 

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1 hour ago, waterdrop said:

I now practice damo mitchell online course  and  it talks there about  building the lower dan tian  -  so thought maybe the solution to the sexual energy would be only after i get a dan tian  that i can fill up    which i understand can take some time

 

I don't know his method but I have read that it is really good for opening the spine... If it's working for you that's great. 

 

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1 hour ago, dlc123 said:

. So basically opening that area in the physical body will help to tonify the kidneys and thereby balance any disharmonies that might come from storing up an excess of sexual energy


what will happen to that excess energy  ?      (if say just the mingman is open and not the full microcosmic orbit) 

 

I would say try not to think about something "happening" to the energy. Imagine that the body is a battery that has been running on 50% (not a judgement, I'm just choosing a random number)... its been running this way for such a long time that you've gotten used to it. So even though your body is at 50%, you experience it as running "efficiently". Once your practice begins to produce results it's more like you just move the bar up to 65% percent, and it keeps increasing over time. So it's not as if there is something to "do" with the "new" energy it - just gets re-integrated into the system and your baseline for feeling vibrant increases.

 

I experience this as more of a "remembering" than something new or foreign. When we're kids our energy bodies are still relatively full and integrated into our physical bodies... then as we age we feel more segmented or "dismembered" - our minds start to separate from our bodies. In my experience Qi Gong brings my mind back to my body, the result is a feeling of physical vitality reminiscent of what I felt when I was much younger, but with a greater capacity for mindfulness. You're not getting something new, more like rediscovering things that were already there but had been hidden or forgotten.

 

In the case of the mingmen opening, you might feel a sense of health/lightness in your abdomen and digestive/urinary systems. You may feel more energy in your legs, or like your legs are more "integrated" into your upper body, or like you are more grounded. It's really impossible to predict what you will experience because everyone's body is unique.

 

1 hour ago, waterdrop said:

btw if you have a view on abrefoot in training qigong  - or for example sitting on a chair with feet on the ground would be nice to get your view  -  (i put this in case you didnt see this thread but feel free to ignore it if you did)  
https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/51004-barefoot-in-training-and-daily-life-or-shoes/?tab=comments#comment-932403

 

Seems like the jury is out on this one - I personally enjoy being barefoot and feeling the earth. There's plenty of scientific evidence for the benefits of "earthing" or "forest bathing". In terms of losing qi, it's not something I would be too concerned about unless you feel that it is having a negative effect on your practice. The best way to find out is to try!

 

Again, all my personal thoughts - take or what works for you and leave the rest. 

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1 hour ago, dlc123 said:

just gets re-integrated into the system and your baseline for feeling vibrant increases.


I get the enregy base line thing perfectly  -      what i dont get is if i practice celibacy how to stop wet dreams  that waste that energy , by taking it out of the body   ,  what can i do to make that stop  so that energy isnt "wasted"  and stays in the system

 

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The reason why we have to do Micro Cosmic Circulation is that the qi accumulated at the  lower dantian 
( fire  nourished from  water ) ,  if not rising up to the head , will very likely changed back into the  form 
of jing and released , downwards outside of our body no matter how hard we try  . It is only after having 
it  risen to and entered the head, the upper dantian,  having  an  intercourse with   stuff  there , now called  
Yuan Jing (元精) ,   hardly can  the sublimation of  qi  be   secured and locked.  No Western theory ever 
discovered  this mechanism , nor the Indian system  points it out ( If I am wrong,  please tell me ). It is 
therefore no strange that  most other  celibacy theories  is  either superficial or  doomed to fail in vain . 

 

The reasons  are  1) No other cultures,  except the Taoist , discovers  and  identify  qi  , its varied , 
changing forms and movements  , so clearly   .   2) Compared to initializing  qi,  Yuan ing  (strangely  from  top)  is much more difficult to meet or nourish  . (參同契:  " 元精渺難睹 ") . 

 

The Buddhist system uses other mechanism to solve it even without mentioning  jing and qi,  but it doesn't   
mean jing and qi not the underlying , important factors affecting the process . 


 

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2 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

( fire  nourished from  water ) , /... ... /rising up to the head , /...... /. It is only after having 
it  risen to and entered the head, the upper dantian,  having  an  intercourse with   stuff  there , now called  
Yuan Jing (元精) ,   hardly can  the sublimation of  qi  be   secured and locked.  

 

2 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

No Western theory ever 
discovered  this mechanism ,

Western physiology understand the material aspect of the process, and doesn't acknowledge the other aspects. 

2 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

nor the Indian system  points it out ( If I am wrong,  please tell me ). 

 

When you see an image of Shiva, with Water flowing down from the head, you will see that the same thing exists in Hindu tradition. I haven't found a description of the full process as it can be found in some more accessable nei dan texts, but it is clearly the same. 

2 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

 Yuan ing  (strangely  from  top)  is much more difficult to meet or nourish  . (參同契:  " 元精渺難睹 ") . 

 

The Buddhist system uses other mechanism to solve it even without mentioning  jing and qi, 

 

Yes, in tibetan tradition it is white and red bindu (I think), and in the one book I have about it, I do not recall if they talked about the ascending route to replenish white bindu. I'm sure someone into that can fill in on the details. 

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11 hours ago, waterdrop said:

I get the enregy base line thing perfectly  -      what i dont get is if i practice celibacy how to stop wet dreams  that waste that energy , by taking it out of the body   ,  what can i do to make that stop  so that energy isnt "wasted"  and stays in the system

 

Actually nocturnal emissions have to do with weak kidneys. See a Chinese medicine specialist and get some actual herbs or acupuncture to help you. Kidneys take a long time to heal. 

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20 hours ago, waterdrop said:

now practice damo mitchell online course  and  it talks there about  building the lower dan tian  -  so thought maybe the solution to the sexual energy would be only after i get a dan tian  that i can fill up    which i understand can take some time
 

Since you practice his method wouldn't it be better to ask him directly? He has some videos on youtube that explain the jing->qi->shen process.

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And I can tell you from my limited experience with him, that he's great a communication.

 

I remember I was reading his first book, "Taoist Neigong" and sent him a number of emails with some questions. This was maybe 6-7 years ago and I wasn't even his student. He graciously replied every time, in a friendly and thoughtful manner. I was a total beginner and my questions were all over the place to be honest, but he answered every time. I think we discussed Master Nan Hua Chin stuff -- totally tangential to what he was teaching -- 5 elements stuff, and then esoteric stuff like the nature of Yang Qi compared to Kundalini among others, lol. I'm still in awe he took all my questions seriously and took the time to reply to a total stranger on the internet. One time it's funny, I showed him a thread on DaoBums were someone was ripping him about a particular approach of his system, and he calmly explained why that member was wrong. 

 

Of course 7 years have passed and he has a massive school now, but I'm feeling you have good odds to get a response from him. He seems really quite open and available for a friendly chat, from my experience, from a long time ago at least.

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I take it into account ,  yet i want to ask here to get replies here  ( after consideration of many factors i decide to ask here)   and already got some really good replies and would like to get more ,  i might ask him (i  already asked him other queations before - i dont ask him every single question i have  -  also not sure i practice his method might go back to zhineng qigong which i practiced for longer )   and others too this question , my learning isnt focused only to this forum and only to questions 

  if someone  wants to reply to my questions than great  and if someone dosnt want to reply to my questions thats great too   , no one is forced to reply ,  i am aware of all that is said   -  maybe its my karma  for some time in a buddhist forum  i replies for every question there with  replies more or less like :  "  do you have a teacher ?   if not get a teacher "        lol        

.......       i hope at least people who see this comment  and understand that i get the same kind of replies time and time again   ,  so there is no need to reply the same thing (which derails the thread)    - it just takes  a huge amount of the "space"  of the thread  and derails threads and makes answeres that could be said ... not said and that is a shame  , cause  i did get some good replies here and would like to keep asking here  , for many reasons ... even though  there are other sources of information available , and i take it into consideration when i ask the questions   (some threads  are 50%+   talk that is not related to the OP topic)     ..........  and if anything its good enough to get one reply like that  but if its repeated it really derails the thread so i would appreciate if it wasnt done

* I would try not to  get into a discussion about this and not comment here about this any more , so not to derail this thread (or others)  more , but i hope at least a few will get my view point and consider it for other threads as well - even though this is just one comment explaining my view point * 

 

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