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1 hour ago, SirPalomides said:


Carter (...) His man Brzezinski 

 

It's the other way around.  

 

Brzezinski is a great starting point for losing one's political virginity for anyone who dares venture beyond the hymen installed by the MSM.  Co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller, he was its director when he selected Carter as a member in 1976.  In 2007 he was the one who endorsed Barack Obama.  

 

The modus operandi of the Bilderberg Group, of which he was also a member, the Trilateral Commission, or the Council on Foreign Relations is never mentioned for any purposes by his daughter Mika of MSNBC (formerly of CBS) but it doesn't mean it's not worth learning about. 

 

Some religious authorities tend to be of the opinion that Sins of Omission are not as heavy as Sins of Commission.  I believe they are two sides of the same deadly sin.

 

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20 hours ago, ralis said:

 

The problem with the cages is that Obama's and Trump's policies on immigration are entirely different. The cages are only meant as a 72 hour hold and no longer. Trump has used the cages to separate children and infants from their parents and most of those children have disappeared with no record of where they are. Kidnapping is a federal offense!

 

 

 

 

I think you could probably assume that their intents were quite different too.

 

I just remembered something that I had forgotten.  Trump had sent Jared to 'set up' a supply chain for things like masks and ventilators, after the pandemic first hit New York.  That came to mind yesterday during the presser that Trump had, when he started lauding a vaccine that was to come out soon.  (I know, he wants one to come out before the election).  But I'm going beyond that.  He seemed sort of thrilled yesterday when he was talking about a vaccine coming out soon.  He also mentioned the fact that Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson were working on vaccines as well.  I would almost put money on him having developed a vaccine that he will try and push through (without the testing).  During the presser, someone said something about a particular supply chain, and Trump said 'How do they know it's better than mine?'  When he says 'mine', is he referring to 'his' government - or a new supply chain for medical equipment, vaccines, masks, ventilators - everything?  I think that statement may have been unintentional, but telling.

 

Another thing that struck me from the presser was when he said "First we'll use it here and then we'll take care of the rest of the world"  (or something similar)  I don't think for one minute he would be concerned about the rest of the world.  But I can imagine him thinking like that if he were making money off it.

 

I can't imagine him not figuring out how to do this.  To make all the money off Covid, and then he would probably be the richest man in the world.  Numero Uno.

 

Someone please tell me he doesn't have a vested interest in all of us getting sick.

 

 

 

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any con or scam  trump can use to gain power or money will be put in play by him and has been made obvious by his lifetime of shadowy dealings most of which he has not been held accountable for;  along with the demonic like pleasure he takes in insulting, mocking and trying to tear people down if that will also gain him power, position or money.

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2 hours ago, SirPalomides said:


Carter supported Suharto’s East Timor genocide. He also joined China and Thailand in backing the Khmer Rouge after Vietnam overthrew them. His man Brzezinski masterminded the US support for the Afghan mujahideen with the wonderful results we are still living with today. Carter does seem to have developed some conscience since leaving office which is more than can be said for his successors.

 

I imagine going by Carter's character and whatever the timeline and context was why back then that he didn't suddenly say to himself,  "I'll support genocide in east Timor and join China and Thailand in backing the Khmer Rouge which will result in mass slaughter of human beings - then all will be well...." 

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5 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

I imagine going by Carter's character and whatever the timeline and context was why back then that he didn't suddenly say to himself,  "I'll support genocide in east Timor and join China and Thailand in backing the Khmer Rouge which will result in mass slaughter of human beings - then all will be well...." 

 

What did he say to himself then?

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well smart guy we would have to ask the people there at that time (if any are still alive) or dig into detailed verified documents, recordings, etc.  on the matter if they exist?  One could also extrapolate backwards to some degree and approximate to some degree for purposes of a ballpark context going by his life, character and other actions up to that point in relation to his probable thinking...  but if you think Carter was a thoughtless pre-meditated murderer then stuff it.

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12 minutes ago, old3bob said:

well smart guy we would have to ask the people there at that time (if any are still alive) or dig into detailed verified documents, recordings, etc.  on the matter if they exist?  One could also extrapolate backwards to some degree and approximate to some degree for purposes of a ballpark context going by his life, character and other actions up to that point in relation to his probable thinking...  but if you think Carter was a thoughtless pre-meditated murderer then stuff it.

 

No I imagine he thought he was being expedient.

 

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37 minutes ago, old3bob said:

well smart guy we would have to ask the people there at that time (if any are still alive) or dig into detailed verified documents, recordings, etc.  on the matter if they exist?  One could also extrapolate backwards to some degree and approximate to some degree for purposes of a ballpark context going by his life, character and other actions up to that point in relation to his probable thinking...  but if you think Carter was a thoughtless pre-meditated murderer then stuff it.


The question was whether he had any part in atrocities, not whether he had good intentions or was a nice guy to have a beer with or whatever. Stop deflecting.

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7 hours ago, SirPalomides said:

I think it's more that legality is completely irrelevant when there is no power capable of holding the US accountable for its actions. Perhaps the most perennial but impotent criticism of US interventions and wars is that they violate international law. Is someone going to sanction the USA? Arrest its politicians? Of course not. If there were some serious international attempt to punish the US for Trump's crimes even the liberals would be fuming at the insolence.

I think you're wrong. 

Liberals hate Trump enough to put their ego aside enough to welcome an international intervention relative to Trumpism.

At least they would like the idea of it,....

I hope...

 

 

But it is nothing more than a fantasy.

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5 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Steve,

 

If it is a consolation, which is probably isn't, there is no country or government in history that has not committed atrocities and aggressions equal to or surpassing those of the USA.  Even small countries like Belgium had particularly nasty colonial policies, nice little Sweden had a big European empire based on invading everyone around them in the 30 years War and so on.  I won't bother to detail Britains behaviour and of course we must count in the 'socialist' countries like Stalin's USSR, Cambodia, Mao's China and so on.  The Ottoman Empire was savage, for instance the Armenian genocide.  All these governments kept people at home in ignorance and masked what they were doing with propaganda and jingoism.

 

The human world destroys the Dao (I'm quoting @Taomeow here I think) - life is suffering (that's the Buddha) - even the saintly Ashoka only took up the dharma after he had crushed his enemies and not before.  I can only suggest be 'in the world but not of the world' (is that Jesus? - I think so).

 

Anyway don't feel too bad about America, it is a great country which is why so many want to go to live there, you've done a lot of good things too.  Just as I wrote that a rainbow appeared in the sky outside my window - seriously!  amazing - its a sign :)

 

 

 

I really appreciate that reassurance.

And the rainbow lights up my heart a little.

 

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1 hour ago, SirPalomides said:


The question was whether he had any part in atrocities, not whether he had good intentions or was a nice guy to have a beer with or whatever. Stop deflecting.

 

stop putting words in my mouth with your presumptions about them.

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15 hours ago, Apech said:

 

No I imagine he thought he was being expedient.

 

 

kind of a cheap shot...which is mostly ignoring what I said about really looking into the subject factually from old information and also context/character wise.  (edit: and of course Carter is still alive and could be questioned)

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(CNN)A federal judge issued a historic decision to temporarily block the US Postal Service and Postmaster General Louis DeJoy from changing a wide swath of USPS policies or protocols ahead of November's presidential election.

The opinion from Judge Stanley Bastian in Eastern Washington's US District Court enjoin Trump administration postal policies as harmful to voters' ability to cast ballots this November and deliberately suppressive to voters. It places the judge at the center of a political furor in which the court steps into the extraordinary position of stopping the entire USPS from making any changes that may affect efficient mail delivery nationwide.

"Although not necessarily apparent on the surface, at the heart of DeJoy's and the Postal Service's actions is voter disenfranchisement," Bastian wrote. "This is evident in President Trump's highly partisan words and tweets, the actual impact of the changes on primary elections that resulted in uncounted ballots, and recent attempts and lawsuits by the Republican National Committee and President Trump's campaign to stop the States' efforts to bypass the Postal Service by utilizing ballot drop boxes, as well as the timing of the changes.

"It is easy to conclude that the recent Postal Services' changes is an intentional effort on the part of the current Administration to disrupt and challenge the legitimacy of upcoming local, state, and federal elections, especially given that 72% of the ... high speed mail sorting machines that were decommissioned were located in counties where Hillary Clinton received the most votes in 2016."

The USPS must now undo all changes made in the last few months, including the only one DeJoy has taken ownership of: significantly restricting late and extra trips, according to the decision.

The decision mandates that all election mail, regardless of postage, must be treated as first-class mail. It also states that USPS must notify the court of all requests -- prior, current or future -- to reconnect mail sorting machines within three days of Thursday's order or within three days of a future request.

"If any post office, distribution center, or other postal facility will be unable to process election mail for the November 2020 election in accordance with First Class delivery standards because of the Postal Service's recent removal and decommissioning of equipment, such equipment will be replaced, reassembled, or reconnected to ensure that the Postal Service can comply with its prior policy delivering election mail in accordance with First Class delivery standards," the decision states.

Bastian, in an earlier court hearing, added that President Donald Trump and DeJoy "are involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service."

A coalition of Democratic state attorneys general sued USPS last month, claiming that DeJoy broke the law when he implemented policy changes that disrupted mail delivery across the country. USPS rejects these claims and DeJoy says he isn't trying to sabotage the election.

The ruling comes as some Americans are beginning to receive their mail-in ballots and cast their votes for this November's presidential election.

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it's going to take many years (maybe 30) to report/reveal all of trumps crimes and corruption along with those of his lackeys!

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More than 50,000 workers have taken time off for virus-related reasons, slowing mail delivery. The Postal Service doesn’t test employees or check their temperatures, and its contact tracing is erratic.---Propublica

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A controversial guideline saying people without Covid-19 symptoms didn’t need to get tested for the virus came from H.H.S. officials and skipped the C.D.C.’s scientific review process.---New York Times

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A personal note on the mail in vote topic. The other day a pollster approached while I was sitting on the porch - seeking information on the four registered voters tied to this address. The issue (for me) is there are only two. The previous two were an elderly couple who no longer reside here.

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30 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

A personal note on the mail in vote topic. The other day a pollster approached while I was sitting on the porch - seeking information on the four registered voters tied to this address. The issue (for me) is there are only two. The previous two were an elderly couple who no longer reside here.

 

Is that not an issue of or for the census?

 

I average 2 text messages a day for Collen of a political bent, as I am not Collen I normally ignore them.

And an average of 1.3 spam voice messages a day out of maybe 3 spam calls per day, most hang up!

 

I have had the phone # over 25 years, it is associated with a business.

Although no longer active in the business I maintain the number and get an average of 5 voice messages a week related to non the now defunct business.

 

And once in a blue moon I hear from a past associate.

 

For the record I am elderly by many standards and and reside neither here nor there, simply where my hat is hung.

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10 hours ago, old3bob said:

it's going to take many years (maybe 30) to report/reveal all of trumps crimes and corruption along with those of his lackeys!

I'm not looking for years of reports.  I'd be happy with enough damning financial crimes that will put him away for a couple years.  Pretty sure that's in the cards and the New York Attorney is already holding them. 

For the man who reveled in starting chants of Lock her Up, to a woman who was actually an old friend (ie weddings & campaign contributions), as much as he had friends.  For purely political spite.  I'd enjoy the irony.

 

 

<I'm real happy not to live in a State that's 'in play'.  I hear the deluge of calls and commercials is awful>

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23 hours ago, manitou said:

 During the presser, someone said something about a particular supply chain, and Trump said 'How do they know it's better than mine?'  When he says 'mine', is he referring to 'his' government - or a new supply chain for medical equipment, vaccines, masks, ventilators - everything?  I think that statement may have been unintentional, but telling.

 

 

Oh dear.  Just walking a few steps further down this trail - as of the presser today, he just announced that we are going to be taking Puerto Rico and completely rehabilitate it, and turning the whole island into a medical production economy.  

 

If there's anything further down this trail, the next discovery will be that it won't be the military supply chain they use for such things - but an entirely new huge industry, routed through a covert Trump family organization.  

 

If there's anything further down this trail.

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1 hour ago, manitou said:

 

 

 

Oh dear.  Just walking a few steps further down this trail - as of the presser today, he just announced that we are going to be taking Puerto Rico and completely rehabilitate it, and turning the whole island into a medical production economy.  

 

If there's anything further down this trail, the next discovery will be that it won't be the military supply chain they use for such things - but an entirely new huge industry, routed through a covert Trump family organization.  

 

If there's anything further down this trail.

 

he can go no further than the 7th hell of pure malice and murder which is as low as any being can go, and which trump is bordering on or has touched into after reveling in the 1st-6th  hells

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11 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

he can go no further than the 7th hell of pure malice and murder which is as low as any being can go, and which trump is bordering on or has touched into after reveling in the 1st-6th  hells

 

 

Then surely we should be praying for him.

 

 

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2 hours ago, natural said:

 

Is that not an issue of or for the census?

 

 

It is an election issue related to all the kerfuffle around mail in voting.

 

2 hours ago, natural said:

I average 2 text messages a day for Collen of a political bent, as I am not Collen I normally ignore them.

And an average of 1.3 spam voice messages a day out of maybe 3 spam calls per day, most hang up!

 

I have had the phone # over 25 years, it is associated with a business.

Although no longer active in the business I maintain the number and get an average of 5 voice messages a week related to non the now defunct business.

 

And once in a blue moon I hear from a past associate.

 

For the record I am elderly by many standards and and reside neither here nor there, simply where my hat is hung.


As I am failing to recognize any equivalencies regarding registered voters, and your plethora of “wrong number” text and voice messages, I am going to go with perhaps you are just feeling chatty and trying to be humorous. Hope you’re doing well.

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3 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

Then surely we should be praying for him.

 

 

 

actually that is true in a way... the catch is that unless one is seriously protected and or seriously advanced in heavenly powers opposite but equal to the hellish ones they are up against then they could be turned or deeply hurt.  (a youngster does not get involved with or go up against great evil but a golden soul can)   Btw, I once came across some Buddhist material that spoke of monks and their masters that specifically trained for such scenarios...

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