Charris34

Best Online Neigong Training? (Non-Religious)

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Hi all,  I have been studying/practicing qigong/taiji/yoga for 20+ years, reading everything I can find.  I also have professional training in TCM, with qigong/taiji training from multiple teachers, but I feel like it is time to take my practice to the next level.  For now, I have only found Lotus Neigong and Ba Men Da Xuan online training systems.  I know people say that this is something that we need a teacher for, but I don't live in an area where there are live teachers.  For this reason, I am looking for a system that I can learn from books and videos.  I would be able to travel from time to time, but really am looking for a complete system that I can learn mostly online.  Is there anyone here that can vouch for either of the above systems or is there a better one that you could recommend?  I am open to suggestions.  TIA

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Shuigong aka Sleeping Qigong is the most complete Daoist alchemy training that I have found. Very accessible style and John Dolic is an awesome teacher.

 

Sifu Dolic readily teaches through Skype and gives excellent practice notes to students.

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Wang Li Ping gives regular in person training, if you can travel and has published several in depth books to augment in person study between retreats.

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Damo Mitchell has pretty good material available remotely. If you manage to attend 1-2 of his events (that are fully booked 6 months prior) per year, you will be well positioned. But this is only for the movement part of the practice. It is unclear from your OP what exactly you need/want to focus on, movements or silent sitting. Silent sitting is another issue. It will depend on how you resonate with a system, being that dao, Buddhism, yoga, or something else. As well as your location.

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3 hours ago, idquest said:

Damo Mitchell has pretty good material available remotely. If you manage to attend 1-2 of his events (that are fully booked 6 months prior) per year, you will be well positioned. But this is only for the movement part of the practice. It is unclear from your OP what exactly you need/want to focus on, movements or silent sitting. Silent sitting is another issue. It will depend on how you resonate with a system, being that dao, Buddhism, yoga, or something else. As well as your location.

 

So I have read Damo's books and been integrating them into my practice.  Quite honestly, I have not found any other written material that explains the process so thoroughly and makes impossible things seem possible (stuff that I would have written off as fantasy before).  Then I found Da Xuan's website talking about how much it helps to have a tradition with a complete system to follow instead of a patchwork practice (which some folks here have claimed Damo's system to be).  In his books, Damo claims to have experienced some pretty advanced results with  physical signs of progress (stuff which I would have considered exaggeration, but his writing seems to be earnest). 

 

For my part, my practice has been more movement than sitting.  So far movement has brought some health benefits helping me maintain a decent level of health for my age, but nothing like you read in books.  Never had the patience for sitting, but as I get older seems like I might be getting ready for it. 

 

Until reading Damo's books, I would have only believed that sitting would quiet the mind and relax the sympathetic nervous system.  Now I am wondering, if all this is possible, which is the "best" daoist system?  I wrote my initial question here, because I am looking for an answer from someone who has experienced more advanced results, but with no financial incentive.

 

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3 hours ago, Charris34 said:

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Until reading Damo's books, I would have only believed that sitting would quiet the mind and relax the sympathetic nervous system.  Now I am wondering, if all this is possible, which is the "best" daoist system?  I wrote my initial question here, because I am looking for an answer from someone who has experienced more advanced results, but with no financial incentive.

 

 

For sitting, I study Wang Liping's system. The system is far from what you wrote above. At home, I eat two times a day and I'm fine. When I go to Wang Liping's retreats, I eat three times a day and they are full nutritious meals. The reason for that is that at the level 1, the system works with all internal tissue in a highly intensive manner, so sometimes the impression is you just did a gym session. Although you can make a session as physical or as subtle as you want and as it suitable for you at the moment. So quiet  sitting is not only relaxation.

 

Damo Mitchell is open when he says he has had many teachers, both in movements and in meditation. In movements, he teaches qigong and daoyin (at least at level 1), so you choose what is best for you. As you have studied many systems, you already know that following one teacher does not always work for most students as bodies are vastly different and people keep looking for what suits them more. I mean marrying to one system could be good in theory, but in practice it may not work.

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19 hours ago, idquest said:

As you have studied many systems, you already know that following one teacher does not always work for most students as bodies are vastly different and people keep looking for what suits them more. I mean marrying to one system could be good in theory, but in practice it may not work.

 

Yes, I definitely have had more than one teacher.  I guess part of me wonders what it would be like to have studied just one system and gone into it deeply.  Another part of me knows that this was not my path.  I am just grateful that I have been able to cobble together what I have. 

 

On 2/15/2020 at 1:28 PM, virtue said:

Shuigong aka Sleeping Qigong is the most complete Daoist alchemy training that I have found. Very accessible style and John Dolic is an awesome teacher.

 

Sifu Dolic readily teaches through Skype and gives excellent practice notes to students.

 

Thanks.  I will check him out.

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53 minutes ago, Charris34 said:

So is anyone here using Ba Men Da Xuan?  Anyone have friends using it?  

 

I am just coming to the end of my first year of the Daxuan online training. It works for me. You can get a lot of the flavour of the training - and plenty of exercises to experiment with - from Serges books.

 

There is also an Udemy course which gives an introduction to some of the Daxuan physical practices. 

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Added the Udemy thing.
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On 2/18/2020 at 2:23 PM, RobB said:

 

I am just coming to the end of my first year of the Daxuan online training. It works for me. You can get a lot of the flavour of the training - and plenty of exercises to experiment with - from Serges books.

 

There is also an Udemy course which gives an introduction to some of the Daxuan physical practices. 

 

The Udemy course just went on sale so I am working through it now.

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