Taomeow Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) (sorry, CMM) Edited August 8, 2019 by Taomeow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 16 hours ago, sean said: I get that there's indignation in this topic that's unpleasant and we have started to veer into some brimstone ranting. It's only been about a week though, and for some it's the first time they've been able to express themselves without being brigaded for years. I would just ask that those of us on the fence with where this is all going be patient with your "captain" 😂 There will be some turbulence as I figure out how to even navigate this ship anymore. 🙏❤️ Sean 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 16 hours ago, sean said: Wow. What a flashback. Crazy old RON. Screaming at us in all caps. ** Pours out some beer ** Not trying to assume, I apologize. Honestly rene, I'm sincerely all for respectful dialogue, maybe to a fault in ordinary circumstances. But I've become a bit live and let die with right-wingers on the internet specifically. Happy to have a civil chat with pretty much anyone in real life. But my online visage has grown rather full of piss and vinegar toward what I see as an escalating pattern of organized, aggressive ignorance. Waxing into an old curmudgeon in these old Appalachian mountains perhaps. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ❤️ Sean Spoiler Had to look up ' curmudgeon' ( thought it was a type of fish ) 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sean Posted August 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Taomeow said: (sorry, CMM) 🤔 Call Me Maybe? Cash Money Millionaire? Christ de Maison en Maison? Cats Majestic Malaise? How many guesses do I get? 😜 Sean 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, sean said: 🤔 Call Me Maybe? Cash Money Millionaire? Christ de Maison en Maison? Cats Majestic Malaise? How many guesses do I get? 😜 Sean These are priceless. I only meant "changed my mind." What, CMM for that is not in circulation? I'm always off when I try to use Computerese. (Or is it Onlinish?.. Drats!.. ) 3 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Miffymog said: You are spewing anit-Trump vitriol - how long are you going to continue doing this for? Huh ? You asked how people can accept Trump bashing and I responded " Mhe .... its the way of things ... people accept much worse shit than that ! " Then gave examples of the sort of shit people ignore everyday ... that is a zillion times worse than a casual Trumpbash . If that is spewing vitriol ...... ..... ? But it might not be a bad idea - for an alchemist Vitriol is handy , in more ways than one 1. A Universal solvent . 2 . Visita Interiora Terrae, Rectificandoque, Invenies Occultum Lapidem ( and in this case , specifically rectificandoque ! ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Miffymog said: Politics is a highly emotive subject. When you live in a country outside of a particular political debate, you naturally have less of an emotional response. Then you become more capable of seeing 'both sides' of the argument ... Get me on to Brexit and I'd be less of a "bothsider" ... I live outside the country of debate . So I can actually see the issue MORE clearly . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 5 hours ago, manitou said: Oh Captain, my Captain. Please know that you have our support as you navigate these treacherous waters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted August 8, 2019 5 hours ago, liminal_luke said: Not among my crowd. Or mine ! I thought it was a reference to But what would I know ? Once, here, I thought someone was being 'over sensitive' and I asked " What ? Too hard Princess ? " next thing, there is outrage about 'sexist comments' . I didnt get it .... I had to really think through what it could mean to some . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) Since Trump got elected we have had nearly three years of: resist grab them by the pussy he's a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, islamophobe Stormy Daniels (FFS) literally Hitler Russiagate Mueller impeach, impeach, impeach ... and so on ... and not a scratch. Time to change the strategy Oh and ... Edited August 8, 2019 by Apech 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sean Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Apech said: Since Trump got elected we have had nearly three years of: resist grab them by the pussy he's a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, islamophobe Stormy Daniels (FFS) literally Hitler Russiagate Mueller impeach, impeach, impeach ... and so on ... and not a scratch. Yeah, Democrats are really bad at politics. I sometimes can't help but believe it's half deliberate. I think they'd rather see Trump reelected than even consider "socialism". Quote Time to change the strategy Oh and ... Not a bad video. It seems to weirdly ignore important reasons Biden polls so well though, e.g., wheelbarrows full of corporate money and flagrantly preferential media air time. There's not much Sanders, or anyone, can do to compete with that. I do believe a Biden nomination will 100% hand us another four years of our wonderful rotting pumpkin brain. And it will probably be just as bewildering to all these focus group chart statistic nerds as it was in 2016. "But the numbers assured us the super creepy guy would win!!?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Really I'm just waiting for Sanders and Warren to assemble into a cool Voltron mecha or something and fight this thing together. 😆 Sean 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, sean said: Yeah, Democrats are really bad at politics. I sometimes can't help but believe it's half deliberate. I think they'd rather see Trump reelected than even consider "socialism". Not a bad video. It seems to weirdly ignore important reasons Biden polls so well though, e.g., wheelbarrows full of corporate money and flagrantly preferential media air time. There's not much Sanders, or anyone, can do to compete with that. I do believe a Biden nomination will 100% hand us another four years of our wonderful rotting pumpkin brain. And it will probably be just as bewildering to all these focus group chart statistic nerds as it was in 2016. "But the numbers assured us the super creepy guy would win!!?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Really I'm just waiting for Sanders and Warren to assemble into a cool Voltron mecha or something and fight this thing together. 😆 Sean Despite the money and media I can't work out why anyone would support Biden. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Apech said: Despite the money and media I can't work out why anyone would support fill in the blank. Seems to be a common question in US politics... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flowing hands Posted August 9, 2019 Trump admin. has decided to use cyanide bombs to kill wildlife again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walker Posted August 9, 2019 18 hours ago, dawei said: So while we could of done some things earlier, not sure why folks can't just not go to a thread if they feel it is uncomfortable. Self-moderation did lose on this note. maybe we under-estimated those claiming spirituality (?) Re "just don't go to the threads you don't like": I seldom ever read or posted outside of the Daoist sub-forum and I think I only ever looked in the trump threads twice. Nevertheless, the culture that brewed within them spilled well beyond their borders. In all honesty, I had concluded until two weeks ago that this site was alt-right owned and run and even went so far as to avoid navigating directly here from any news sites that would reveal my leanings in order to diminish chances of having any from the alt-right crowd single me out. 7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Walker said: Re "just don't go to the threads you don't like": I seldom ever read or posted outside of the Daoist sub-forum and I think I only ever looked in the trump threads twice. Nevertheless, the culture that brewed within them spilled well beyond their borders. In all honesty, I had concluded until two weeks ago that this site was alt-right owned and run and even went so far as to avoid navigating directly here from any news sites that would reveal my leanings in order to diminish chances of having any from the alt-right crowd single me out. I'm beginning to think I am spectacularly dense as I didn't detect any of this spillage. How did it manifest? I confess I used to 'troll' in a light hearted sense the Trump and Brexit threads (which is also closed for some reason) by posting about socialism and the like and took it as just a bit silly. I'm already missing teasing Patrick and Chang. I had no idea so many were people were upset - it's been a real surprise to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
s1va Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 11:28 PM, rene said: Astonishing. And very sad. WTF is wrong with you people. The spew from the right has been replaced with spew from the left. The energy in your words is no less vile and destructive than the words of those you denegrate. It is possible to clean your house without burning it down. Best of luck, keep well, stay safe. Peace Out. Welcome back 🙂. Those brief sentences summarize and capture the essence of what's happening here in the last 2 weeks accurately in my views. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, s1va said: Welcome back 🙂. Those brief sentences summarize and capture the essence of what's happening here in the last 2 weeks accurately in my views. Given your previous mod status in which you and the rest of the moderation crew, which includes the former admin, nothing was done to moderate the hate filled posts in the Trump threads. Several members were constantly referencing 4chan, 8chan and other sites which should not be given a platform anywhere online! One reason being is that 8chan has recently been busted for distributing child pornography! You don't give these persons a voice! Hate speech led to approximately 41 million deaths in Europe during WWII. I reported misogyny, anti-Semitism, bigotry in all its forms and one member was advocating violent acts against Hillary Clinton which I reported. Was any action taken? None! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilumairen Posted August 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, s1va said: Welcome back 🙂. Those brief sentences summarize and capture the essence of what's happening here in the last 2 weeks accurately in my views. Well, at present, it is a team of one.. Before, to me, it felt more like a team of "Jeffsters," than a team of Trumpsters, and I have been grateful for the ability to openly disagree without being batted upside the head with the non- egalitarian policy, or whatever else seemed handy. 3 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldDog Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Apech said: How did it manifest? I have to admit, I felt somewhat the same as @Walker ... a certain anxiety about being targeted by one side or another if my views did not align decidedly left or right. For me the feeling comes from the style of rhetoric that I sense at an emotional, intuitive level. Harsh language, accusative tone, denigration of people or ideas often reach me at an emotional intuitive level before I am really cognizant of what is going on. This can occur on either side of the political spectrum. Edited August 9, 2019 by OldDog autocorrect 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
s1va Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, ralis said: Given your previous mod status in which you and the rest of the moderation crew, which includes the former admin, nothing was done to moderate the hate filled posts in the Trump threads. Several members were constantly referencing 4chan, 8chan and other sites which should not be given a platform anywhere online! One reason being is that 8chan has recently been busted for distributing child pornography! You don't give these persons a voice! Hate speech led to approximately 41 million deaths in Europe during WWII. I reported misogyny, anti-Semitism, bigotry in all its forms and one member was advocating violent acts against Hillary Clinton which I reported. Was any action taken? None! I agree with you that the moderation was very lax. I accept the responsibility for that personally since I was part of the team. Though I never agreed with the lax moderation, and spoken openly against it and expressed my personal disgust with the heated Trump topic and other discussions. Requested it to be shut down more than once if you can search my old posts -- even when I was a moderator. It was just my view and it cannot be enforced due to policies set forth. Moderators were just enforcing the policy and direction given to them, not make decisions about the policies. I have respect for dawei, but I do not personally agree with the self moderation at all. None of this invalidates what Rene has pointed out with clarity and wisdom. Replacing one set of extreme views, intolerance and hatred with another set is sadly distasteful. Several long standing and good members left because of the intolerance in the views expressed in this strongly worded topic. Many of them do not have extreme views and were good and kind people. Someone was rude to me and told me to leave this site because I had some friends that left who have right leaning views. No one spoke against this or said this is wrong. Where is this intolerance going and what are the next set of directives? If you have a friend that is right leaning, leave the site immediately If your spouse, partner or parents have right wing views, leave the site If you are accused of right wing views by another member, leave the site forthwith Perhaps someone can clarify for some of us who may have friends or family with diverse views and people from all political spectrums. Also, please come out of the past and blaming old staff to divert and justify what is happening in the present, in the now. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flowing hands Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/8/2019 at 5:28 AM, rene said: Astonishing. And very sad. WTF is wrong with you people. The spew from the right has been replaced with spew from the left. The energy in your words is no less vile and destructive than the words of those you denegrate. It is possible to clean your house without burning it down. Best of luck, keep well, stay safe. Peace Out. Well what do expect? When things have gone to one extreme the other extreme has to come out to negate it. The worlds history is full of such happenings. Wait a while and things will come to a balance. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earl Grey Posted August 9, 2019 I think it is ridiculous to equate the Right and Left here. The "Right" as they have been represented here on the forum by primarily Far Right and the "Left" on this forum who have opposed them, and even then, there are still very few actual Leftists. The "Left" as characterized by the Far Right is as Sean earlier said closer to being Center Right. Who is calling for a "humanitarian border" and denying climate change while seeking unilateralism and supporting a demagogue with narcissistic personality disorder? Caging children and separating them from families, raiding immigrant families without proper documentation and ending aid that would actually help fight the root of the problems in Central America that causes refugees to flee to the United States? This is the Far Right and the hate they are promoting while bafflingly joining a forum on philosophical studies and spiritual growth is quite strange. The "Left" or rather the opponents of those views are by no means equal because they are not ignoring the science of climate change, they are not characterizing immigrants or Muslims as terrorists and vermin, they are not supporting a tyrant who has been disregarding the rule of law and has a revolving door of Yes Men to fuel his megalomaniacal tendencies and Ego-Fear complex. Again: The Left is not doing anything remotely close to what the Right has been doing for the past two years on this forum. The Left is only more vocal now than they ever have been because they are not going to be gaslit, trivialized, insulted, or ignored and ridiculed, especially when one of the prime instigators of that behavior was one mod who I do not need to name as they have already been identified several times in this thread. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilumairen Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) Quote Someone was rude to me and told me to leave this site because I had some friends that left who have right leaning views. No one spoke against this or said this is wrong. Where is this intolerance going and what are the next set of directives? My father kinda drilled into me the phrase, "you always warn them first" - which, at this point, is the main thing "staying my hand" (to the extent it is being stayed.) I'm going to strongly suggest you consider what your "someone was rude to me ... [and] no - one spoke against this" would look like to me, and why I might be having a wtf moment here. Edited August 9, 2019 by ilumairen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
s1va Posted August 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, ilumairen said: Well, at present, it is a team of one.. Before, to me, it felt more like a team of "Jeffsters," than a team of Trumpsters, and I have been grateful for the ability to openly disagree without being batted upside the head with the non- egalitarian policy, or whatever else seemed handy. What I notice in the comments of certain members is intolerance, rudeness and sarcasm passed off as joke with a laughing emoji many times, in the guise of disagreement. Breeding resentment or hatred towards any one person or group is unhealthy. Best wishes! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
