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I would like to stop having wet dreams / nucturnal emissions  ...  and would like to hear all the ways to stop wet dreams  


(one way i think might help reduce it is to reduce to minimum sexual stimulation like sexual images  - but that alone isnt enough
i heared one about keeping your hui yin  point drawn up  all day (perineum area)  but thats hard for me to do and i cant do it yet  ...  so still seeing if there are more ways to stop wet dreams  )


im asking of course about wet dreams  when i dont have any sex or masturbation  -    if someone is intrested about the reasons i want to stop having wet dreams its cause i dont want to lose jing and dont like the underwear and bed sheets getting dirty   - where each reason is good enough alone to want to stop it .............  !!  I dont want to disscuss here about whether or not wet dreams are good or not !!  -  if you think wet dreams are fine thats great  (maybe i will even  open another thread about that)  , but thats not what im asking here - so please dont talk about it cause it will derail the thread -           So  please  only post about ways techniques to stop  (or at least reduce)   wet dreams 

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Here's what a pretty wise practitioner wrote about it from the perspective of an Eastern practice tradition

 

 

By Dao Zhen

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.
It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.
It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.
Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.
With time, all will become secure quite naturally.
I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.
Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.
In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.

- Points to help prevent emission during sleep -


1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".
It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.
This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

This stage does not last forever.

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.
Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.
It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

It is an investment of time.

So it takes a strong and steady will power.
Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.
Persevere.

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5 hours ago, waterdrop said:

I would like to stop having wet dreams / nucturnal emissions  ...  and would like to hear all the ways to stop wet dreams  


(one way i think might help reduce it is to reduce to minimum sexual stimulation like sexual images  - but that alone isnt enough
i heared one about keeping your hui yin  point drawn up  all day (perineum area)  but thats hard for me to do and i cant do it yet  ...  so still seeing if there are more ways to stop wet dreams  )


im asking of course about wet dreams  when i dont have any sex or masturbation  -    if someone is intrested about the reasons i want to stop having wet dreams its cause i dont want to lose jing and dont like the underwear and bed sheets getting dirty   - where each reason is good enough alone to want to stop it .............  !!  I dont want to disscuss here about whether or not wet dreams are good or not !!  -  if you think wet dreams are fine thats great  (maybe i will even  open another thread about that)  , but thats not what im asking here - so please dont talk about it cause it will derail the thread -           So  please  only post about ways techniques to stop  (or at least reduce)   wet dreams 

 

the most important thing to do - as Master Nan, Huai-chin teaches - and others teach - is do some kind of horse stance exercise every night - before sleep. So you want your thigh muscles to be sore - so the legs should be shaking. Also this should clear out the colon as well. So a good exercise for this is "moving of yin and yang" - it's on youtube. So then - this will also "exorcise" the mind to purify the mind.

 

And so if anything else happens - then if you just do MORE of the above horse stance type training - that is really the only way to fix it - via Quick Fire breathing (deep reverse breathing). Try to feel your adrenal medullae. And then you can also then hold the breath after Exhale...

 

As the book Taoist YOga: alchemy and immortality states ONLY the Quick Fire breathing has the power to reverse any damage to the celibacy training.

 

that book is free online.

 

Good luck with your training.

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Thanks everyone for the great answers   ( hope people who have even more ways to avoid wet dreams will add them cause the more the better  -  and if anyone wants to add more details about anything thats great too ) 

About what was said about turning  jing into  qi  or  burning jing  - arent we suppose to preserve it ?   can someone explain this point please

 voidisyinyang about your great answer -  its really helpful but the wording isnt completly clear  -    i think the "so"  word is confusing to me -  at the first phrase  are you advising both horse stand and "moving of yin and yang" or just one  ?

and should i do more of the horse stand if it still dosnt work - or change to rapid fire breathing ?   
 

4 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

the most important thing to do - as Master Nan, Huai-chin teaches - and others teach - is do some kind of horse stance exercise every night - before sleep. So you want your thigh muscles to be sore - so the legs should be shaking. Also this should clear out the colon as well. So a good exercise for this is "moving of yin and yang" - it's on youtube. So then - this will also "exorcise" the mind to purify the mind.

 

And so if anything else happens - then if you just do MORE of the above horse stance type training - that is really the only way to fix it - via Quick Fire breathing (deep reverse breathing). Try to feel your adrenal medullae. And then you can also then hold the breath after Exhale...

 

As the book Taoist YOga: alchemy and immortality states ONLY the Quick Fire breathing has the power to reverse any damage to the celibacy training.

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6 hours ago, waterdrop said:

Thanks everyone for the great answers   ( hope people who have even more ways to avoid wet dreams will add them cause the more the better  -  and if anyone wants to add more details about anything thats great too ) 

About what was said about turning  jing into  qi  or  burning jing  - arent we suppose to preserve it ?   can someone explain this point please

 voidisyinyang about your great answer -  its really helpful but the wording isnt completly clear  -    i think the "so"  word is confusing to me -  at the first phrase  are you advising both horse stand and "moving of yin and yang" or just one  ?

and should i do more of the horse stand if it still dosnt work - or change to rapid fire breathing ?   
 

 

As Chunyi Lin says - if you want to lose more weight then just bend the knees more on "moving of yin and yang."

So the Neidan secret is that for males - the left hand is yang and lower body is yin while right hand is yin and upper body is yang.

So you HOLD that position in the beginning for a few minutes - and you can have the legs more bent with the back as straight as possible - more like a horse stance.

 

Then you just move the energy as a "microcosmic orbit" circulation - or macrocosmic as it is the whole body....

 

Also when the shit clears out - that means that you just converted your dopamine LUST into Serotonin Bliss - becuz the shit clearing out is from serotonin flooding the intestines. So it's a win-win-win scenario (celibacy, weight loss, purification) and of course you increase the qi energy....

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

Can you give more instruction on quick fire breathing?

yeah I did a whole blog post or two on quick fire breathing as someone here kept asking me about it...

 

hold on - I'll find that...

 

https://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/08/drive-spirit-fire-under-water-as-is.html

 

https://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/07/motionless-change-why-quick-fire-is.html

 

https://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/06/what-is-inner-fire-in-book-taoist-yoga.html

 

just scroll way down to get to the actual blog posts. thanks

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7 hours ago, waterdrop said:

Thanks everyone for the great answers   ( hope people who have even more ways to avoid wet dreams will add them cause the more the better  -  and if anyone wants to add more details about anything thats great too ) 

About what was said about turning  jing into  qi  or  burning jing  - arent we suppose to preserve it ?   can someone explain this point please
 

(note, I'm not very advanced)  I believe the jing into qi is an advanced practice, part of a larger esoteric Chinese system.  Sometimes taking things piece meal or jumping steps can lead to problems later on.  That's why you sometimes see criticisms of retention, your saving jing, without doing anything with it. 

 

I tend to go with healthy discipline instead of pure retention especially if your not doing a more complete system.  On the hand, life is about self experiment, but be willing to slow down and re-examine if things get overheated or too strange. 

 

 

On a tangent, for a 'household' practitioner like me, a real girl friend trumps an esoteric practice.  Don't sacrifice a potentially wonderful (sexual) relationship to do an esoteric practice.  I learned the hard way that its better to put the discipline on hold then lose an important aspect of life.  Retention will be there later, a special partner, maybe not.  

 

 

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For me its giving up on masterbation only   (might come in the future but at least for the next months its pretty certain just masterbation)     -  i want to practice more meditaiton and qigong now   so i am doing stuff  -  would love to hear about  jing and turning it to qi etc

i didnt have sex or masterbabuted for something like 4 months didnt see much of a difference in anything to be honest but i am new to qigong  so who knows  -   or maybe its cause of the wet dreams

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For me the issue isnt wet dreams it's after wet dreams. 

The body seems to have an inclination to empty itself of semen after the first ejaculation.

So what im saying is after a person has a wet dream, I think they will have the inclination to masturbate once or twice and lose double or triple what they lost.

 

I wonder why that is? It could be because their energy level has gone down after the first wet dream so their concentration is more fallible to falling prey fantasy. Or maybe it is just simply because the more semen one gives up the greater chance of reproduction when involved in real intercourse. 

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Why do you have wet dreams in the first place, start there ?
What has caused the origin of the problem.

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cause i dont have sex and dont masturbate   - not to masturbate is an advice given by teachers i learned qigong with and also my buddhist teacher  said its best not to   -  when i dont release semsen in masturabation it comes out as wet dreams  (there were even times i masturbated just to avoid the wet dreams)

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Man...  this is disappointing!  I never get them, I always wake up frustrated because theres no release from my sex dreams

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On 7/26/2019 at 11:51 AM, rideforever said:

Why do you have wet dreams in the first place, start there ?
What has caused the origin of the problem.

 

Its common for people practicing semen retention. Going 1 or 2 months usually leads to a wet dream. 

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How old are you?

How often do your wet dreams occur if you do not make love or masturbate? 

Are your nocturnal emissions always accompanied by dreams?

Did you ask your qigong and Buddhist teachers about this? If so, what did they say to you? If not, why haven't you asked them?

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The trouble is that people who follow the paying-attention-to-lower-dantian way  will be more liable to get their jing released , for the more jing they  accumulate at the lower abdomen, the more likely  to  release it  , so, what  is  the solution?

 

1) Emptied mind solution:  try consolidating an  emptied Mind in daily life, which  sublimates  your jing  to  qi,  then turn  it into  a harmless Shen ( just consider it as a spiritual state of Oneness , for simplicity to explain ), so you no longer get  any wet dream, or even any dream at all ,  and you are safe.

 

2) Try turning all jing into qi , and hold it on that level without falling back; since all your jing are now in  qi 's   form , even you get a wet dream ,  you will not get any nocturnal release , so there is no hurt .  (WARNING: that means you deliberately suspend your reproductive ability )

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Exorcist can you expand on point 2  ?  how do i do it ?    is all the bad effect just to temporary not have reproductive ability (and i can get it back when i want to) ? 

I also got confused about jing and qi  - and cause of your reply i asked in another thread about the difference  :
 

 

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On 9/6/2019 at 6:04 AM, waterdrop said:

Exorcist can you expand on point 2  ?  how do i do it ?    is all the bad effect just to temporary not have reproductive ability (and i can get it back when i want to) ? 

I also got confused about jing and qi  -.......

 

 

Jing and qi originally are two things inseparate, which  refers to  the essence of life . We lose jing daily , but most of them in invisible ways, for examples, reading books for a long time , listening to music for long hours, arguing with friends about politics..etc , yet hardly all those loss  give  us a material substance to recognize .


So our life force deteriorates daily unnoticed, and it is through sex that  the loss of jing materialized and appeared to us as something that we can see and feel  . And, it is a serious loss that all guys know what it is  . The older we are, the clearer we understand what  Taoism says, although regretfully , to most people , it is always a regret too late to come  . Loss of jing ,  of course , will also undermine our spiritual power, say our memory and ability to learn new things, but here I want  to focus on the jing and qi level, not touching the so-call shen's level.

 

The sex-related loss of jing processes can  happen in the daytime when we are sane or  in our sleep . They appear to us  very different yet  in both cases we are just the same kind of puppets controlled by unknown life power : one being unconscious, one seemingly conscious and under self-control , but in fact not. As a Taoist/zen saying tells us :

 

" 學道之人不識真 , 只因從前認識神; 無量劫來生死種,  痴人喚作本來人" .
 

To reverse such an always detaching trend of jing from qi, its pre-condition is your capability to  mobilize  qi  from that life essence; unable to do so but  want to know more, to practice  further seems not possible .

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Thanks for the good reply up to the quote  - the quote  isnt clear though   and what it means   (i mean  even grammatically its hard to understand) 

what is the life power that controls us to lose semen ?  


and will ask again how do i turn the jing to qi ?

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And for the record  everyones replies are great and helpful  -  im a person who can keep asking questions forever  -  even if i get a good  or great reply i just still ask more  (thats why i say in advance  if anyone wants to add info thats great - including stuff i didnt ask about

 

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Except for my former question about turning jing into qi : 

will meditating help in this  ( meditation for me is just  to "sit stupid" - not focusing on breath or any other technique)    ? 

  if jing is the "eseenece of life "    --- shouldn't we try to keep it ?   why turn it into qi than ?    

The lerner  now  re reading some replies - want to say that all i care about at the moment is spiritual gains  - and dont work and focused on meditation etc  - maybe in the future even the short one will stop but at the moment im focused on being better spirtiually ---   what happens if i get too much jing and dont use it ?   wet dreams ?     how to make use of extra jing for the better ?   

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15 minutes ago, waterdrop said:

 
The lerner  now  re reading some replies - want to say that all i care about at the moment is spiritual gains

A worthy focus.  Real balance is dynamic and that means sometimes going far to one side, cause thats how you gain momentum.  

 

The teachers who influenced me tended to be more into flow then savings.  Not that 'savings' is unimportant but that wide channel, flowing energy was as important. 

 

if things get unbalanced or over heated, imo, don't worry too much about some jing release, conscious or unconscious.  Even the evergreen sheds a few needles, now and again.

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On 2019/9/14 at 5:09 AM, waterdrop said:

Thanks for the good reply up to the quote  - the quote  isnt clear though   and what it means   (i mean  even grammatically its hard to understand) 

what is the life power that controls us to lose semen ?  


and will ask again how do i turn the jing to qi ?

 

 

Sorry for my clumsy English, may re-write it  if I later get  more time or  find a new perspective ...

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Just for the record your comments are good and understandable  - just the translation of the quote    .


  also im still very confused about this all so if anyone wants to add stuff im still happy to get more info on this subject - cause many unanswered things like

 

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if jing is the "eseenece of life "    --- shouldn't we try to keep it ?   why turn it into qi than ?    

 

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