Trump talk

[C T]

17 minutes ago, MooNiNite said:

 

Trump doesn't speak in the most compassionate manner, but his policies make more sense than his opponents who are preaching naive socialist measures. 

 

Lets look at what his democrat opponents are offering: Higher taxes, we prefer people who are illegally here over people who come here legally, we prefer both of those groups over people native born, and war with Russia. 

 

This is why Trump will most likely be reelected. It's also why democratic nominee Hickenlooper says in the democratic debates that the democrats need to change their stances or they have no chance vs Trump 2020.

 

Truth is, this current crisis is a huge cash cow for the present govt coffers. 

 

Its reported that those held in detention are charged something like $25 for a 15 minute phone call they ask to make, and are forced to fork out for basic stuff like toothpaste etc. Not surprising, seeing that 73% of detained immigrants are held in private detention facilities. Not sure how accurate this is, but not hard to imagine someone Big not having a finger in the pie, much like how the prison reform act was repealed, reinstating the continued reliance on private correctional facilities operated by the likes of Caliburn Int. (Homestead), Geo Group, and CoreCivic, whose stocks upturned dramatically shortly after Trump took office. In return, Washington hands over billions annually to keep this machinery oiled. Or so they say. lol

 

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It's a remarkable turnaround for an industry that less than two years ago was on track to be phased out from use by the federal government, which at the time cited declining prison populations and reforms for its decision. A month after President Trump was inaugurated, the Justice Department backtracked and said it would continue to use private prisons. (CBS News).

 

[Starjumper]

Political discussors are stooges for the divide and conquer agenda.

 

The left are stooges for the bankers, the CIA, and one worlders, who all planned for the murderous, thieving, psychopathic, big bitch to win to further their agenda.  However, some high level military people who, unlike politicians and Democrats, love their country, talked Trump into running, and he was able to upset the CIA and one world applecart, which he is working to weaken.  Trump is a meditator, likes to talk like a real man, and has organized a meditation think tank to help solve some of the social problems of the land. Trump actually did not expect to win when he was running.  Since he did win, the 'other' side is working on him.  It will be interesting.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Starjumper

[windwalker]

34 minutes ago, Jetsun said:

So is anyone who believes in common decency and some level of morality a member of "the left" now? I thought those values are meant to be the the backbone of the Republican Party? Looks like everything has gone backwards or upside down 

 

 

 

That's kind of the problem of the GOP. they expect others to play by the same rules that you've outline which they don't.

 

When they're subject to their own tactics they cry foul which many do.

 

Trump and some members of team Trump are fighters which they should be and need to be.

 

"Federal prosecutors in New York City will not bring additional charges as part of their investigation into payments orchestrated by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen to pornographic actress Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election, according to the Associated Press."

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/18/report-hope-hicks-wont-be-charged-in-trump-campaign-finance-investigation/

 

 

 

[Trunk]

2 hours ago, MooNiNite said:

 

Trump doesn't speak in the most compassionate manner, but his policies make more sense than his opponents who are preaching naive socialist measures. 

 

Lets look at what his democrat opponents are offering: Higher taxes, we prefer people who are illegally here over people who come here legally, we prefer both of those groups over people native born, and war with Russia. 

 

This is why Trump will most likely be reelected. It's also why democratic nominee Hickenlooper says in the democratic debates that the democrats need to change their stances or they have no chance vs Trump 2020.

 

Wow.  I think I’ve found a post where I actually *partly* agree with you!   

 

I think that most of your assessments of the Dems are off, but we do share some overlapping criticisms of the left.  I do think *some* of the Dems are going too far left with some of their approaches to health care and student debt reduction.  Not politically viable in this country and only weakens their cause, easy to mischaracterize, is political suicide.  I think that the Dems want sensible immigration reform, that doesn’t fit into a simple chant (“build the wall”).  I think that the “open border” is a false criticism of Dems.  I do think that the Dems should focus more on the economy (Obama did *very* well in rescuing the economy) and campaign finance reform (and some other areas of concern re: cleaning up politics, such as gerrymandering, etc).  The earth’s ecosystems are being destroyed from every angle and means.  We’re headed towards global environmental dystopia for all foreseeable future generations.  The GOP uniformly ignores the problems and speeds the destruction.  Dems respect science and want to do many things about it.  

 

Unfortunately, the current GOP has followed their leader into an asylum.  It’s not the GOP anymore; it’s just a cult, plain and simple.

Turns out that a lot of people respond at the level of the National Enquirer, and that’s where djt lives.

... and so it goes.

And the masses have not sufficiently learned from history maybe the most elementary lesson: avoid having an egomaniac with violent tendencies run a powerful country.

 

P.s.

And what we REALLY need are two (or more) healthy functional parties that can agree on basic facts, communicate and compromise for the better of the whole.  We are FAR from a healthy democracy, both in terms of politicians and the national populace. 

Edited July 18, 2019 by Trunk

[Pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Trunk said:

student debt reduction

All I have to say to this is pay for your own fucking education just like I did no one gave me handouts and to do so is a mistake.

 

How about they take a different approach and either cap what overpriced learning institutions can charge or offer an alternative like gee I don't know affordable education that the Government provides and the student pays it back out of their taxes for taking the govt loan.

 

Pretty simple really.

 

Education

 

Healthcare 

 

Insurance

 

Housing are all way out of control and way, way overpriced.

[windwalker]

[Aetherous]

4 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

All I have to say to this is pay for your own fucking education just like I did no one gave me handouts and to do so is a mistake.

 

I think there might be a looming economic crisis around this issue, so it becomes a bigger deal than simply being about handouts.

I like the principle of paying what one owes (and I owe a LOT - 215k and rising).

 

I think debt forgiveness only helps some people. Didn't Elizabeth Warren say that everyone would get 10k in student loan forgiveness? That doesn't solve anyone's real problems. People close to being done paying their small loans down would be happy...but that's it.

 

With income based repayment, which most people in the higher numbers are on, the total owed keeps rising despite making the monthly payments agreed upon. That's a major problem, which I personally became aware of after having graduated! ...I'm not too good with math, okay?

Anyway, if there's actually an economic crisis looming because of this issue, and if the real problem is exorbitant amounts owed...then perhaps we can have it both ways. People pay what they borrowed, and student loans no longer being an economic issue.

This could be done by eliminating the interest rates.

[Lost in Translation]

20 minutes ago, Trunk said:

And what we REALLY need are two (or more) healthy functional parties that can agree on basic facts, communicate and compromise for the better of the whole.  We are FAR from a healthy democracy, both in terms of politicians and the national populace. 

 

This is absolutely true. Unfortunately it won't happen for the foreseeable future. The divide between the Democrats and Republicans is too great. The probable outcome of this is the death on one of the above parties and the birth of a new party, which is exactly what happened in 1860 when the Republican party effectively replaced the Whig party.

[windwalker]

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"Cosmonaut diversity was key for the Soviet message to the rest of the globe: Under socialism, a person of even the humblest origins could make it all the way up," reads the stinger of the piece. The author makes no effort to point out that was an abominable lie; those of humble origin stayed in humble origins under those regimes, and that's not including those the authorities chose to murder for real or imagined crimes against socialism.

 

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ny-times-didnt-the-soviets-win-the-real-space-race-you-know-for-diversity/

 

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The author makes no effort to point out that was an abominable lie; those of humble origin stayed in humble origins under those regimes, and that's not including those the authorities chose to murder for real or imagined crimes against socialism.

 

 

Why would they, kinda ruins the narrative 

[Aetherous]

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-loses-baptist-support-after-video-emerges-of-him-dancing?fbclid=IwAR07X5znFoxrbsgCHR50y0nTejZi2lRx9FkI3-S80drzBSB0ifGw8poe7gQ

[Lost in Translation]

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Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan and Acting Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director Mark Morgan joined us for a briefing hosted by the McAllen sector team. What we heard shocks the conscience.

 

They told us to think of the cartels like we would a big business: they deal in drugs, and human beings, and gauge success and failure in terms of their bottom line.

 

Trafficked humans who “earn their passage” via forced servitude in criminal organizations, labor gangs, and sex trafficking rings bring in much more money than migrants who can pay their own way to the border.

 

The cartels are exploiting desperate situations in the developing world, and they’re doing it using web and Facebook ads, like the world’s most perverse travel agency. Some even offer pricing schedules. If you want to travel “first class,” expect to pay first-class prices.

 

The idea of a first-class migrant caravan through the Mexican desert sounds absurd, but the strategy is working. Last year, the McAllen sector recorded 162,000 apprehensions. This year, officials have already apprehended 283,000 migrants from 60 countries, including Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen and Turkey.

 

The backlog for asylum hearings alone now approaches 1 million cases – a caseload requiring the attention of at least 500 judges.

 

To abandon those waiting for help would be immoral. To open the gates and suspend the rules would create chaos. To put politics ahead of fixing this mess is not an option.

 

Our Border Patrol men and women are heroes. Despite the constant disparagement in the media and by public officials, these dedicated officers show up for work every day and proudly do their jobs.

 

While the talking heads rage about “concentration camps,” members of the Border Patrol are pulling quadruple duty as law enforcement officers, case workers, nurses and humanitarian aid workers.

 

And for the record, we spoke with detainees through an interpreter, and everyone we met confirmed they were properly fed and had a safe place to sleep.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen-marsha-blackburn-what-i-saw-when-i-visited-the-border-and-what-needs-to-happen-now

 

 

[Pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Aetherous said:

 

I think there might be a looming economic crisis around this issue, so it becomes a bigger deal than simply being about handouts.

I like the principle of paying what one owes (and I owe a LOT - 215k and rising).

 

I think debt forgiveness only helps some people. Didn't Elizabeth Warren say that everyone would get 10k in student loan forgiveness? That doesn't solve anyone's real problems. People close to being done paying their small loans down would be happy...but that's it.

 

With income based repayment, which most people in the higher numbers are on, the total owed keeps rising despite making the monthly payments agreed upon. That's a major problem, which I personally became aware of after having graduated! ...I'm not too good with math, okay?

Anyway, if there's actually an economic crisis looming because of this issue, and if the real problem is exorbitant amounts owed...then perhaps we can have it both ways. People pay what they borrowed, and student loans no longer being an economic issue.

This could be done by eliminating the interest rates.

It can also be eliminated by working for a living and going to school at night instead of taking out loans whose terms are clearly spelled out that you will never be able to afford.

 

You work and you get the best education you can afford and you become proficient in your career.

 

No one was ever forced to sign a loan agreement for school or anything else, choices have repercussions.

 

If you can’t afford it then you have no right to take out huge loans and not repay them.

 

If the interest rate is bad you don’t take the loan.

 

Why is common sense so uncommon?

 

For instance I am in the process of buying a house right now.

 

I have done my due diligence and broken all the lenders down and found the best deal.

 

I qualify for much more house than I am buying but am not stupid to take on more than I can support and pay the loan down swiftly so interest is not as great as it would be by lingering over the full term.

[Aetherous]

30 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

It can also be eliminated by working for a living and going to school at night instead of taking out loans whose terms are clearly spelled out that you will never be able to afford.

 

You work and you get the best education you can afford and you become proficient in your career.

 

No one was ever forced to sign a loan agreement for school or anything else, choices have repercussions.

 

If you can’t afford it then you have no right to take out huge loans and not repay them.

 

If the interest rate is bad you don’t take the loan.

 

Why is common sense so uncommon?

 

For instance I am in the process of buying a house right now.

 

I have done my due diligence and broken all the lenders down and found the best deal.

 

I qualify for much more house than I am buying but am not stupid to take on more than I can support and pay the loan down swiftly so interest is not as great as it would be by lingering over the full term.

 

You're stupid enough to complain about other people pointlessly instead of thinking about solutions to a problem that affects everyone. But good job being financially responsible.

[Dynasty]

38 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

It can also be eliminated by working for a living and going to school at night instead of taking out loans whose terms are clearly spelled out that you will never be able to afford.

 

This is true. 

 

But don't discount 40 + years of propaganda from the education industry complex that has effectively brainwashed at least 2 or 3 generations that without a college degree you're a waste of skin degenerate loser who will never amount to anything but a burger flipper at McDs. (plus outsourcing of jobs that don't require a degree)

 

Then was able to get the gov't into the student loan business. 

 

And continually raised tuition rates much quicker than the rate of inflation. 

 

And convinced 18 year old kids AND their parents that kids need to follow their dreams and get that liberal arts degree in sociology. 

 

We have a large population group right now starting out life with a huge debt burden.  And there are people in their 40s that I'm aware of still paying off student loans. 

 

I don't know what the answer to the student loan problem is, but whatever the education industry is doing right now is not sustainable for much longer.  And a gov't bailout of student loans will just continue the problem.  

[windwalker]

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In 1995, Ilhan entered the United States as a fraudulent member of the “Omar” family.

That is not her family. The Omar family is a second, unrelated family which was being granted asylum by the United States. The Omars allowed Ilhan, her genetic sister Sahra, and her genetic father Nur Said to use false names to apply for asylum as members of the Omar family.

Ilhan’s genetic family split up at this time. The above three received asylum in the United States, while Ilhan’s three other siblings — using their real names — managed to get asylum in the United Kingdom.

Ilhan Abdullahi Omar’s name, before applying for asylum, was Ilhan Nur Said Elmi.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/david-steinberg-tying-up-loose-threads-in-the-curious-case.php

 

 

 

Her time is coming,  it is odd how one with such a past

would chose to be so noisy 

 

Only possible with the main stream media on her side...

This will be soon changing....

 

 

[Pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Aetherous said:

 

You're stupid enough to complain about other people pointlessly instead of thinking about solutions to a problem that affects everyone. But good job being financially responsible.

And you reveal yourself as someone who can't stand the truth of his own irresponsibility and call others stupid?

 

Holding up a mirror take a good look.

 

Thanks when you want to learn how it will be my pleasure to teach you. 

 

Honestly anyone stupid enough to sign onto a bad loan with high interest  is a waste to educate in the first place that should have been learned by the time one finishes High School.

[Pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Dynasty said:

 

This is true. 

 

But don't discount 40 + years of propaganda from the education industry complex that has effectively brainwashed at least 2 or 3 generations that without a college degree you're a waste of skin degenerate loser who will never amount to anything but a burger flipper at McDs. (plus outsourcing of jobs that don't require a degree)

 

Then was able to get the gov't into the student loan business. 

 

And continually raised tuition rates much quicker than the rate of inflation. 

 

And convinced 18 year old kids AND their parents that kids need to follow their dreams and get that liberal arts degree in sociology. 

 

We have a large population group right now starting out life with a huge debt burden.  And there are people in their 40s that I'm aware of still paying off student loans. 

 

I don't know what the answer to the student loan problem is, but whatever the education industry is doing right now is not sustainable for much longer.  And a gov't bailout of student loans will just continue the problem.  

I agree and honestly these institutions should be made to bare the burden of misleading others. Not the banks not the lending institutions that exist for the sole purpose of collecting interest on loans but the ones benefiting from over pricing education in the first place making it un-affordable and then selling a dream that quite frankly does not exist.

 

Very few who graduate ever achieve what was promised by holding some silly ass paper.

 

Go to school to learn what you love to do and what is in demand. Pay attention to the times in which you live and work hard at it live dirt poor like I did do not believe you need a Bachelors degree in Computer Science to have  a career in I.T. for example.

 

When I started I was damned good but I had two things going for me more talented people did not.

 

#1. Credit Score in the 800's.

#2. A clean background record.

 

These two things alone can help a young person succeed over others.

[Aetherous]

13 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

And you reveal yourself as someone who can't stand the truth of his own irresponsibility and call others stupid?

 

I admitted my own stupidity in the first place. I just thought you were highly rude to double down on it after my own admitting of it.

 

Pretty stupid to behave that way, bud.

[Pilgrim]

3 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

I admitted my own stupidity in the first place. I just thought you were highly rude to double down on it after my own admitting of it.

 

Pretty stupid to behave that way, bud.

Was not my intention to double down on you but when the shoe fits well wearing it can be hard and if calling me stuped repeatedly makes you feel better then go ahead.

 

I paid for my ex-wifes student loans so honestly this pisses me off quite a bit and has little to do with you at all.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Pilgrim

[Aetherous]

2 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

Was not my intention to double down on you but when the shoe fits well wearing it can be hard and if calling me stuped repeatedly makes you feel better then go ahead.

 

I paid for my ex-wifes student loans so honestly this pisses me off quite a bit and has little to do with you at all.

 

I'm getting pretty used to wearing these shoes lately, not only with this situation.

No hard feelings, I just didn't appreciate the response, and was hoping for a more rational discussion on the issues I brought up.

[MooNiNite]

4 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

All I have to say to this is pay for your own fucking education just like I did no one gave me handouts and to do so is a mistake.

 

I don't think a lot of people are aware that education can be tax deducted if it applies to a small business you own.

It is a definitely cumbersome, but a person who works a regular job can create a small business related to the education they want to receive and deduct their education related expenses. 

[Pilgrim]

6 minutes ago, MooNiNite said:

 

I don't think a lot of people are aware that education can be tax deducted if it applies to a small business you own.

It is a definitely cumbersome, but a person who works a regular job can create a small business related to the education they want to receive and deduct their education related expenses. 

Very good advice wish I had it years ago. Thanks.

[windwalker]

Edited July 19, 2019 by windwalker

[Pilgrim]

10 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

I'm getting pretty used to wearing these shoes lately, not only with this situation.

No hard feelings, I just didn't appreciate the response, and was hoping for a more rational discussion on the issues I brought up.

I am sorry you are wearing those shoes.

 

They tried to get me with false promises but I grew up real hard on the streets and always looked at everything like a one eyed cat cocking my head sideways making sure what I saw was what I thought I saw.

 

No hard feelings here either and do understand but at some point in time rationality has to be understood as the falsehood it is as it only serves the point of view of those declaring it to be so.

[Patrick Brown]

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