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Uppaluri Gopala - The 'Other' Krishnamurti

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If only I had discovered this man 20 years ago. It would have saved me thousands of hours online, arguing with people on internet forums about 'religion', 'spirituality', 'enlightenment', 'illumination', 'power'  blah blah blah. Not to mention the books I've bought, articles I've read, meditations I've sat through, classes I've attended.  Not many will get this, that much I'm convinced of. However, before I retire from 'forum world' for good, I absolutely must use this thread to propagate this. When the student is ready, the master appears.

 

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3 hours ago, lifeforce said:

One last present before I leave. A full playlist of 147 videos.

 

 

I have broken free from all illusions years ago, but may be it helps someone, heard positive reviews about this guy.

 

I wish it was as easy to break through illusions, as to watch 178 videos, to read 200 books, or visit 50 seminars.

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"Whatever you do in the direction of whatever you are after -- the pursuit or search for truth or reality -- takes you away from your own very natural state, in which you always are. It's not something you can acquire, attain or accomplish as a result of your effort -- that is why I use the word `acausal'. It has no cause, but somehow the search come to an end".

-UG

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"Forget the rosaries, the scriptures, the ashes on your forehead. When you see for yourself the absurdity of your search, the whole culture is reduced to ashes inside you. Then you are out of that. Tradition is finished for you. No more games. Vedanta means the end of knowledge. So why write more holy books, open more schools, preserve more teachings? The burning up inside you of everything you want is the meaning of ashes. When you know nothing, you say a lot. When you know something, there is nothing to say".

-UG.

I highlighted the obvious Daoist part of the quote.

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No matter how often it occurs, it still floors me with shock when I encounter words from another, whether spoken now, decades or sometimes even centuries before, that seem to exactly resonate and reflect the shifting flow of unfolding awareness in my current condition.

 

Thanks for sharing lifeforce.  Synchronicity and Gratitude mate.

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https://sarmoung.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/the-natural-state-in-the-words-of-u-g-krishnamurti-by-peter-maverick/

 

-".. You are not going to reach your goal of completely controlling your thought. Thought has to function in its own way, in its disconnected, disjointed way. That is something which cannot be brought about through any effort of yours. It has to fall into its normal rhythm. Even if you want to make it fall into a normal rhythm, you are adding momentum to that. It has a life of its own which has, unfortunately, established a parallel life within the movement of life. These two are always in conflict. That will come to an end only when the body comes to an end.

 

Thought has become the master of this body. Thought has totally mastered the whole thing. It is still trying to control everything that is there. You don’t have to do a thing. You are not separate from that, that’s all I am emphasizing. You cannot separate yourself from the thought and say, “These are my thoughts.” That is the illusion you have, and you cannot be without any illusion. You always replace one illusion with another illusion; always.

 

You accept that you are always replacing one illusion with another illusion, so your wanting to be free from illusion is an impossibility. That itself is an illusion. Why do you want to be free from illusions? That’s the end of you. It’s not that I am frightening you, I am just pointing out that it is not just a lighthearted game to play. That is you, you as you know yourself. When that knowledge you have of yourself is not there any more, the knowledge you have about the world also is not there any more, it can’t be there any more. It is not going to come to an end that easily. It will always be replaced by another illusion.

 

You don’t want to be a normal person. You don’t want to be an ordinary person. That is really the problem. It is the most difficult thing to be an ordinary person. Culture demands you must be something other than what you are. That has created a certain momentum, a powerful movement of thought. You can use it to achieve something, otherwise it has no use. You can build a tremendous philosophical structure of thought, but that has no value at all. You can interpret any event, but thought is not intended for that. At the same time, you forget that everything you have around you is the creation of thought. You are yourself born out of thought, otherwise you would not be here at all. In that sense it has value. Yet it is the very thing that destroys you. That’s the paradox.

 

Everything that you have created in this world has become possible through the help of thought, but unfortunately, that very thing has become the enemy because you are using thought for purposes for which it is not intended. It can be used for solving the technical problems very well and efficiently but it cannot be used to solve the problems of life. Anything that does not suggest your positive thinking you call it negative. But positive and negative are only in the field of your thinking. When the thought is not there it is neither positive nor negative. As I was saying, there is no such thing as a negative approach at all. It’s a gimmick.-"

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

  He had a painful episode that he refers to as "The Calamity", which followed some intensive seeker and exploration with different techniques.   After this episode he was completely changed, and in these discussions UG describes his new state.

But it does not follow that by listening to them on youtube you will enter the state, that does not follow, and you might be deluded to think you understand but you don't you are in totally the wrong place.

It would be more sensible to conclude that you would have to do exactly what he had done (search intensively trying many techniques) before you arrive in his state.

 

After watching that video and reading most of that linked text, I thought the same. He seems to propose a 'method of no methods' to reach his natural state, basically saying its fruitless to consciously try to reach that state.  But it seems like it's easy to say once you've already reached/entered the natural state, with the awareness and view that would entail.  

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17 hours ago, silent thunder said:

No matter how often it occurs, it still floors me with shock when I encounter words from another, whether spoken now, decades or sometimes even centuries before, that seem to exactly resonate and reflect the shifting flow of unfolding awareness in my current condition.

 

Thanks for sharing lifeforce.  Synchronicity and Gratitude mate.

 

No problem silent thunder.

I only stumbled upon UG's 'non-teachings' recently. Sure I'd heard of him, but I was always put off with all the criticism. I was more into Jiddhu when I was younger, and then moved on to other things. Maybe I wasn't ready. Now though, he comes across as like a Daoist or a Ch'an master to me. He's not for the majority of 'seekers', only the few. His criticism of the 'guru business' is even more relevant today. I also like how everything that was wrote about him is absolutely free, without any copyright. Not many do this, if any at all.

Drop everything you've ever known, and then drop the dropping. Utterly profound.

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On 15/04/2019 at 9:55 AM, rideforever said:

UG is extremely entertaining. 

However he is wrong.

What he describes is available to him, and not to everybody.
How did he enter this state ?   He had a painful episode that he refers to as "The Calamity", which followed some intensive seeker and exploration with different techniques.   After this episode he was completely changed, and in these discussions UG describes his new state.
But it does not follow that by listening to them on youtube you will enter the state, that does not follow, and you might be deluded to think you understand but you don't you are in totally the wrong place.

It would be more sensible to conclude that you would have to do exactly what he had done (search intensively trying many techniques) before you arrive in his state.
Although given the complete lack of precision or technical details, even that seems to have only limited chance of success.
In these discussions with UG, which continue for decades, he is surrounded with the same faces who according to UG still don't get it.
It's a good fun party though.
Another important thing to realise is that UG himself did not understand what happened to him .... it happened to him ... it was not deliberately triggered.   And although he is in a deep state his ability to express to you where he is is limited.   Like if someone teleports you to a desert, and then you have to explain to people where you are ... you can say "it's pretty dusty here" a million times but people will not arrive to be next to you.
In fact his explanations often revolve about the meaningless of thought and ideas.
But this is entertaining given the cacophony of human voices in our society, but it is not actually correct.
Ideas and thought can provide meaning, can provide solutions that lead to deeper being, and salvation.

What is confusing is that for monkeys ideas are often simply used for pleasure or for social climbing, instead for conveying reality.
But ... they can be used for conveying reality.

 

There are a lot of assumptions in your post.

You say he is wrong. Wrong about what exactly and how do you know this ?

There is no state to enter. The mere thought of entering a state therefore doesn't exist either.

How do you know I'm in the wrong place, as you put it, by watching him, listening to him and reading his words ?

You don't know my mind or how watching, listening and reading UG has affected me at all. There is absolutely no way you could know this.

You are correct that many of the same faces were present at his talks. But out of all of them, how do you know which one's got it, which one's were there because they actually liked UG and were his friends, and which one's which felt his unique presence resonated with them and came back time and time again ?

He mentions after his event/calamity, that the senses weren't ruling his organism anymore, but the pineal gland had took over the operation.

The tone of your post implies that I'm somehow wrong in looking to UG for inspiration. 

UG is not for you, that's OK. His message is for the few, not many get him. That doesn't mean it's wrong that I do get him. What the hell's wrong with that ?

Why can't folks here just accept that maybe, some people get something out of certain words and teachings without having to resort to derogatory comments ? 

Like I said in the OP, UG is the end of seeking for me. Something just clicked, and that is all I need.

I will continue to use this thread to spread some more of his wisdom. Other people might get it. Whether they do or not, that's not my concern. Sharing stuff which I think may prove useful is what I'm trying to do.

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I always felt UG was an example of what happened when a crotchety old man got Enlightenment.

 

'Off my lawn, you damn seekers'  - stern crazy wise, loveable despite himself. 

 

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On 15/04/2019 at 9:55 AM, rideforever said:


How did he enter this state ?  

in these discussions UG describes his new state.
But it does not follow that by listening to them on youtube you will enter the state,

It would be more sensible to conclude that you would have to do exactly what he had done (search intensively trying many techniques) before you arrive in his state.
And although he is in a deep state

 

Q: What is the way or method of getting into this state?

U.G.: What state? When the movement in the direction of wanting to be into your own natural state or in the state of God knows whom you want to be, your idol, or your hero or your master [is there] -- it is there -- this movement in any direction, is taking you away from yourself. That is all that I am pointing out. When the movement is not there, you are your natural state. So, the sadhana or the method, or system, or the technique, is taking you away from yourself in the direction of the state you want to be in and that is the state of somebody else. As I pointed out, you have the knowledge about this state.

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2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Well ... don't listen to me, join The Lerner and take the path of straw dogs like the others.

Who cares.

 

Join The Lerner.. for a beer maybe. 

Your path has to be your path. 

We're all cutting and pasting here.

 

There are things to learn from UG, rideforever..

they both have that crotchety thing going..

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10 hours ago, thelerner said:

Join The Lerner.. for a beer maybe. 

Your path has to be your path. 

We're all cutting and pasting here.

 

There are things to learn from UG, rideforever..

they both have that crotchety thing going..

 

Mine's a pint of Belgium's finest, Stella Artois.

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11 hours ago, thelerner said:
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I'll take this one.  I'm heading to his city now.  And I'm going to kill him.  Figure I'll wait until after dark.  So uh.. he's got about 4 hours left. 

 

 

k i d d i n g  sarcasm..

 

Unfortunately I never got to read rideforever's post as it's been edited/deleted. 

I haven't the foggiest how long I have to walk the earth, how is one to know this.

I do know one thing though, I feel like I did when I was in my twenties. I'm half a century old in a few weeks. Physically, energetically and mentally. I have never felt better.

If that it any indication of longevity, then I don't need to worry at all.

That's why I started the path. To grow old gracefully, hopefully with as little discomfort as possible. Here in the western world, the old don't fare well. Often through decades of heavy labour, diet and poor living conditions. What I saw when I studied the east, especially China, were people practicing exercise regimes well into old age. Also the clarity of mind and intelligence normally associated with much younger folk. I wanted some of that, and so I began my journey into the internal arts and spirituality.

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UG has inspired me to take up the non-practice of zazen once again. It is something I did a long time ago before my shaktipat/kundalini episode sent me on a completely different path. 

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On 4/16/2019 at 6:04 PM, thelerner said:

Join The Lerner.. for a beer maybe. 

 

May I have a glass of wine and sit with you guys for a bit?

 

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Your path has to be your path. 

 

Honestly, I think this is what rideforever has been pointing towards since he arrived at the bums, and that it even underlies his posts in this thread. 

 

What he may be missing is the natural affinity to words that resonate with personal experience. 

 

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they both have that crotchety thing going..

 

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28 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

UG has inspired me to take up the non-practice of zazen once again. It is something I did a long time ago before my shaktipat/kundalini episode sent me on a completely different path. 

It's been an oddly familiar and recurring revelation to me in the last decade, as I've come to explore various other lineages and paths, incorporate a variety of teachings and experiences, that my default process seems to most closely mirror zazen and the sudden enlightenment school.

 

Its tenets as described in the sources I've encountered describe processes that seem to be a steady undercurrent of my natural approach to life and looking back I perceive it to underly all the other paths I have sought out or fallen into naturally; without ever seeking it out, or for much of my life, even knowing it was a path of study shared by millions with a long history it seems my default..

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

It's been an oddly familiar and recurring revelation to me in the last decade, as I've come to explore various other lineages and paths, incorporate a variety of teachings and experiences, that my default process seems to most closely mirror zazen and the sudden enlightenment school.

 

Its tenets as described in the sources I've encountered describe processes that seem to be a steady undercurrent of my natural approach to life and looking back I perceive it to underly all the other paths I have sought out or fallen into naturally; without ever seeking it out, or for much of my life, even knowing it was a path of study shared by millions with a long history it seems my default..

 

 

 

 

 

Mine also. Maybe that's what attracted me to UG. His directness, cutting through misconceptions. Very zen-like.

 

To quote from Dogen:

Zazen is not meditation. It is the Dharma Gate of great ease and joy. It is stainless realized-practice.

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