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Hello - Topdown or Downup?

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I am joining after having some experiences and am now confused on what to do or follow.  I started the meditating journey out under a "K survivor" and after "falling" from my peak experiences, that occurred while around this now deceased person, am again starting the trail back up the mountain.  I believe I am at the steaming the cauldron stage in the dan tien; some mild tensing of diaphragm on long exhales seems to produce a "thick" pressure and heat in dan tien, perineum, legs, and at times ming mien.  I presume this to be steaming the cauldron with jing?


8 months ago I was in Japan and a "high level" internal arts practitioner (varjyana yoga, dao, Tibetan, probably others) seemingly shot a jolt of juice through my crown and ever since then I can do a different breathe associated with this; inhaling through crown using dan tien with a completely relaxed exhale at a faster rate that produces a "lighter/thinner" heat above dan tien but below abdominal wall.


Curious what the differences are between top-down approach vs. down-up approach?  Is down-up the "fierce" path and top-down approach less of a nineties version?  HA!


Any references or avenues to look toward would be appreciated.



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Hello skiptomylou, and welcome.


Your membership is approved and we're happy you found your way to us. We look forward to accompanying you on some of the way that you still have to go.


Please take the time to read the two posts pinned at the top of this Welcome page and take a look at the forum terms and rules. This covers all you need to know when getting started.


For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day.


Good luck in your pursuits and best wishes to you,


Marblehead and the TDB team



Hi skiptomylou,


I'm sure you won't have any problem finding people to talk with regarding your interests.


You are welcome to jump right in ongoing discussions, revive an older thread, start a new thread of your own, or start a discussion in the "Newcomer Corner" sub-forms to expand on your introduction or ask general questions to help you get started.


May you enjoy your time here.



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