Music and the Tao

[Sucus]

I believe that music has much to do with the Tao. I believe that some truths may be revealed through music, or at least coincide in music.

 

Does anybody else feel that music has a special purpose in the Tao?

[Wayfarer64]

Please refer to the YiJing's hexagram -enthusiasm- I think it is #16... music has always been a part of humanbeings' spiritual expression. -

 

There are lots of instances where it is very evident to my ear that something transcendant it going on- "Bird(s) of Fire " by the Mahavishnu band -(John McGlaughlin et al-)

Is a quick example that comes to mind...As do Bachs' violin concertos and many other pieces-

 

Hey-that may be another thread- what are the more spiritually transcendant tunes that come to your mind...

christmas tunes don't work so well for me anymore but when I was very young they were magical in the extreme...-

Peace

[karen]

Listen to Beethoven's string quartet opus 132. It's the hero's journey. Bach is more cerebral and stays in the cosmic realm, but the Romantics go down to the gritty depths to redeem the soul.

 

Wayfarer, I agree on Birds of Fire!

 

-Karen

Edited November 9, 2007 by karen

[Mal]

Hey-that may be another thread- what are the more spiritually transcendant tunes that come to your mind...

christmas tunes don't work so well for me anymore but when I was very young they were magical in the extreme...-

Peace

 

So this is Christmas. Lennon

All I want for christmas is you. Mariah Carey

 

Both make me cry...... in a good way.

[voidisyinyang]

In my 2001 masters thesis I document that yin and yang are indeed music intervals and this is the key secret to understanding paranormal powers, because the intervals use COMPLIMENTARY OPPOSITES -- unlike all of western music and science.

 

My masters thesis is "epicenters of justice" linked at http://nonduality.com/hempel.htmI

 

Also my latest blogbook has further details on this at http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com

 

OK so yin is the Perfect 4th music interval or 3:4 and yang is the Perfect 5th music interval or 2:3.

 

So in western music we are taught the "circle of fifths" or c-g-d-a-e-b-F#-C#--back to C through 2:3.

 

In fact, the natural overtones known as the Law of Pythagoras is an infinite spiral of fifths with no beginning and no end:

 

So the octave or 1:2 resonates into the overtone 2:3 as C to G and then 2:3 YANG turns into YIN as 3:4 or G to C.

 

The yang ratio creates all the other ratios through this complimentary opposite process that violates basic Western logic.

 

So western science is based on the commutative principle but since C to G is 2:3 and G to C is 3:4 this means that C times G does not equal G to C.

 

I give the technical details in chapter 4 of my blogbook -- "Secrets of the Freemasonic Greek Miracle" -- which math professor Joe Mazur stated this summer was "very important" information. He had me submit it to the most read math journal the MAA Monthly. He also asked me to add my personal comments, making it not appropriate for that journal....

 

 

So this is Christmas. Lennon

All I want for christmas is you. Mariah Carey

 

Both make me cry...... in a good way.

Edited November 9, 2007 by drew hempel

[mantis]

http://www.myspace.com/cride0

 

"sittin on da porch"

 

i wonder if i can get any spiritual effects from listening to this

[rain]

Quote Wayfarer;

"There are lots of instances where it is very evident to my ear that something transcendant it going on- "Bird(s) of Fire " by the Mahavishnu band -(John McGlaughlin et al-)"

 

 

 

 

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That is one great album.

 

Another great one is "Rites" by Jan Garbarek, if you want to get emotional

try "The Moon over Mtatsminda".

i dont understand the language but still it's just like a poem.

[joeblast]

*hiyaaaaa CHOP!*

OK so yin is the Perfect 4th music interval or 3:4 and yang is the Perfect 5th music interval or 2:3.

 

So in western music we are taught the "circle of fifths" or c-g-d-a-e-b-F#-C#--back to C through 2:3.

The circle of fifths is a great way to learn the notes and their relations to one another...as well as the instrument you are playing them on!

[voidisyinyang]

I'm glad that any qigong videos online are apriori "bogus" -- because this is the trend of the internet -- everything has regressed back to hollywood and boob-tube material. It's just like UFO videos.

 

So how can we even trust the written word? Isn't that the focus of this blog post? Well what if, on occasion a scientist zeroed in on the secret and just about discovered it -- so close but yet so far. As it happens last night I had such another encounter. This is from "Programs of the Brain" (Oxford U Press, 1978) by JZ Young, FRS (Oxford or Cambridge physiology chair or something) -- :

 

"It is the relative position of the formants that are important. Each vowel sound can be produced at any pitch of the human voice. The vowel sounds are thus the result of the balance of higher and lower frequency components irrespective of pitch-shifts. There may be an anology here with Land's discovery that colours are reported as the psychophysiological products of contrasts of higher and lower wavelengths irrespective of their position in the frequency spectrum (1959). Perhaps we shall find brain mechanisms that respond to such relationships in all the sensory fields (Ohe 1962)."

 

Yes PERHAPS ALL the sensory fields (like proprioreception, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.) -- if only one understands that the "higher and lower frequency components irrespective of pitch-shifts" and the "higher and lower wavelengths irrespective of their position in the frequency spectrum" ARE RESOLVED BY UNDERSTANDING OVERTONE HARMONICS AS COMPLIMENTARY OPPOSITES. Pitch started from violation of the commutative principle from the Law of Pythagoras, the ratio 2:3 as an infinite transduction of energy, through the empirical truth of natural overtones. C to G is Yang as the Perfect 5th (2:3) while G to C is Yin as the Perfect 4th (3:4) and yang turns into yin, through the whole energy spectrum, thereby creating all the sensory fields, and starting from LISTENING to female formless awareness. The source of the I-thought as the source of 1 is an asymmetric resonance into female formless resonance, resonated back as the octave: 1:2. This "pitch-shift" is asymmetric so that the 7th octave, as the 12th perfect 5th, does not return to the same frequency, but transduces, in continuation with the complimentary opposites of yang, 2:3, turning into yin, 3:4, thereby violating basic symmetry of western logic. C x G does not equal G x C just as momentum x position does not equal position x momentum in quantum mechanics.

 

And so another scientist stumbled on the truth, only to wander off wondering what production value it had as a Nova special.

[Tactile]

I have one name for you: John Coltrane. In case someone doesn't know, he was a jazz saxophonist influencing in the 50s and 60s. Early in his life he was massively into drugs but then but then quit them all (exept psychedelics, I think) cold turkey after he found faith. This is heard very clearly in his music, too.. his first recordings are a good listen, but it was only after his enlightenment he shaped his own language and found all the marvellous melodies, harmonies and colours you can hear in his later playing.

 

Love supreme is his most famous album (and one of the most famous in all jazz history) and it's tributed to god and his faith. A must listen for any music lover, obviously. Personally, I think second track on "Live at Birdland" titled "I want to talk about you", is probably the most beautiful thing I've heard. But then, I'm a jazz musician (or at least trying to be one) so your tastes may vary. Also I think his later albums (1965 onward) have an intense spiritual vibe.. not for the faint of heart, though.

 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_coltrane)

[voidisyinyang]

So you're just blatantly ignoring what I'm saying or....

 

NONWESTERN TUNING. Not personal taste.

 

Coltrane got into yoga in his final days but like Miles Davis and Yusef Lateef, the closest they got was to "modal tuning."

 

That's not it.

 

Here's some examples:

 

raga music, traditional chinese music, gamelan music, dagomba ghana drumming, Berber hand clapping, Sufi music, Japanese flute music, Temiar Malaysian healing music, Anurada Paudwal devotional singing.

 

Again NONWESTERN TUNING based on the overtones used.

[Spectrum]

[rain]

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Edited April 17, 2008 by rain

[Spectrum]

robot or man

you just gotta fall in love with these guys!!!!

take me by the hand and lead me

 

girls just wanna have fun

 

fun falls hand in hand

 

take me or leave me

 

robot or man

 

one counter one intuitive

 

a one man band

 

you just gotta stand

 

one mind

 

one body

 

one hand

 

Spectrum

Edited November 10, 2007 by Spectrum

[voidisyinyang]

The 1-4-5 intervals are found worldwide, as I reference in my masters thesis linked at

 

http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm

 

So this basic yin-yang dynamic then creates the pentatonic which in the West was converted from the Babylon cycling of the elements at the Pentagon -- into the Golden Ratio.

 

Qigong works because of the ionization of electrochemicals from ultrasound -- what Buddha called the "inner ear method." Then through the small universe -- the 12 notes of the scale as the perfect fifth -- (which is why the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality calls the small universe:

 

PLAYING THE FLUTE WITH NO HOLES

 

cleanses and purifies the ionized electrochemicals (yin vitality) as the alchemical agent to create blissful electromagnetic fields (the focus of the heart energy).

 

So the chi -- is the result of harmonizing the lower emotions of the pentatonic scale -- anger, sadness, fear, worry and overexcitement -- into bliss-electromagnetic-light or yang-vitality.

 

Then finally the chi shoots up to the brain to create shen -- which is the manifestation of the Female Formless Awareness as the "Mysterious Gate" or Tai Chi -- the final harmonization of yin and yang of the body.

 

The chi can then be "scattered" through the mysterious gate so that the yang-vitality shoots into yin sources outside of the body. I do this all day while sitting in full-lotus.

 

Or the chi can be reharmonized back into the body -- through the "yan xin secret" to build up the female formless awareness to create an "immortal fetus" -- I do this in my room.

[voidisyinyang]

[Wun Yuen Gong]

Ive been going to a african drumming circle which is awesome, but i do my own meditation and vibration through drumming the I ching.

 

Has anyone tried this?

[Spectrum]

Wun talk to me about drumming the I Ching! I've got a dum tek to practice with.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Spectrum

[Spectrum]

btt for i ching drumming

[steve]

I think that music has a unique relationship to the nature of life/reality. Music is active. It is alive. It only exists as a process that is fully present NOW, in the moment. It is something that can never be grasped and held in a static sense yet it is right there, starring you in the face, as it were. In that sense, the experience of music is very much to me like the experience of life. It seems to have something to do with the wave nature of music. A sustained note is just that, it's the pauses that make it music... Music is not stuff, it's a process, like life and us...

 

Kongurei - Tuvan traditional

Bob Marley - Stir it Up (and many others)

Queens of the Stone Age - In the Fade and others

Mahavishnu Orchestra - Between Nothingness and Eternity (I like this one better than Birds of Fire - probably due to childhood nostalgia - this was my first Mahavishnu record and I saw them perform soon after it came out - it was amazing!)

Bach - many pieces, esp cello and violin sonatas, some cantatas

Delibes - Flower Song

Catalani - Ebben, ne andro lontana?

Faure - Requiem

Stravinsky - Firebird and Rite of Spring

Black Eyed Peas - yup, not embarassed to admit it - Where is the Love? and others

Genesis - Supper's Ready and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

 

The list goes on and on - nothing much like a musical orgasm...

PS - this experience can be enhanced by cannabis intoxication.

[i_am_sam]

 

Bob Marley - Stir it Up (and many others)

 

 

 

 

'Theres a natural mystic blowing through the air;

If you listen carefully now you will hear.'

 

Natural Mystic - Bob Marley

 

PS - this experience can be enhanced by cannabis intoxication.

[Master of no significance]

On 9.11.2007 at 9:59 PM, Tactile said:

I have one name for you: John Coltrane.

 

Great. I have more Names for you: Alice Coltrane, Bill Evans, Michel Petrucciani, John Maryn, Nick Drake (on the darker side of beauty). 

Many others, maybe another time....