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Credit card maxed out? No worries! Just make minimum payments and get another card from a different bank.

 

What could go wrong?

 

The road goes on forever and the party never ends...

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“There has to be change, big change. The economy has collapsed. Poverty has reached proportions … People, ordinary people like you and me, are poking around in dustbins to get food to eat. The young can only find work abroad. Syriza is Greece’s hope.”

 

I don't know about economics but I do know that if I were Greek I'd be voting for not starving to death in the near future

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/why-greece-voted-for-syriza-alexis-tsipras

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A natural reaction to years of austerity during which the low paid, pensioners, disabled people and public sector workers paid for the mistakes of bankers, international financiers and governments. EU policy is badly flawed and the Eurozone prevents the normal measure of devaluation to adjust a failing economy.

 

But I have to say this guy has got elected on the basis of unrealistic promises and I see a disaster looming.

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Austerity is a policy cooked up by advocates of neoliberalism which benefits the very wealthy. Nothing more than Ayn Rand selfish objectivism which benefits a few individuals at the expense of the society. Organizations such as ALEC and the Koch bros. are heavily involved in promoting neoliberal policies.

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the debt jubilee will only happen once the heads of banksters roll. metaphorically speaking, or not, its the only way such vast amounts of odious debt will be repudiated and recognized as illegitimate.

 

Yes, councilor hamann, smash those machines to pieces. we're not actually in a hole in the earth.

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Austerity is a policy cooked up by advocates of neoliberalism which benefits the very wealthy. Nothing more than Ayn Rand selfish objectivism which benefits a few individuals at the expense of the society. Organizations such as ALEC and the Koch bros. are heavily involved in promoting neoliberal policies.

 

Not only that it offers no solution to the actual problem, no way forward, no economic development plan, no vision for future society. It´s a dead end in terms of policy. Odd that so many are prepared to swallow it as an idea.

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"Although the Syriza party and the Independent Greeks party are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, the parties are united in their hatred of the EU/IMF bailout program, and the painful austerity measures associated with the program."

 

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it'll be interesting to see how it all sorts out. raising the minimum wage to 750 euro still falls in the austere range if you ask me. i dont think europe is all that concerned over greece, however if this idea spreads to spain and italy......

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"Although the Syriza party and the Independent Greeks party are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, the parties are united in their hatred of the EU/IMF bailout program, and the painful austerity measures associated with the program."

so in other words,

 

OWS and tea party kept having their own get togethers, until some of them finally figured out that they're doing the same things at their parties, with all the same food :lol:

 

hey how's about a little bit of that over in america?

 

no?

 

okay, how about a whole shit ton of it, then?

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I don't see how they can have any social policy at all since they disagree about everything except the bailout.

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I don't see how they can have any social policy at all since they disagree about everything except the bailout.

you're just not getting into the greek spirit.

the party must go on (old quote of mine from the 80's)

from my pov, govt sensibilities left long ago (if in fact they ever existed)

that greatest time of humanity, the renaissance, was based on greek revival

 

cheers to this new version of greek revival

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I don't see how they can have any social policy at all since they disagree about everything except the bailout.

so long as they agree about the root source of the problem (banks and bailouts etc) then everything else will automatically become easier to manage if the root problem is dealt with.

 

 

how's iceland these days? certainly dont hear much at all from them ;)

 

everyone else who still drinks bankster kool aid, you hear about them rather often, dontcha

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My wife's company once did a study on setting up a small manufacturing plant in Greece, for their own supply chain. But it was impossible. The country is a defacto socialist state, with virtually no private industry. Every person they spoke to was some sort of government worker.

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true true, but if the case is to be made that the greeks brought this on themselves, how comes its strangled other places that werent given the wink and nod by goldman sachs to just lie on their EU membership form, it'll all get covered?

 

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-25/wont-remain-confined-greece

 

 

 

 

among first acts as new leader,

Tsipras's first meeting with a foreign ambassador since being elected Greek PM was with Russia's Andrey Maslov

— Nick Malkoutzis (@NickMalkoutzis)

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so long as they agree about the root source of the problem (banks and bailouts etc) then everything else will automatically become easier to manage if the root problem is dealt with.

 

 

how's iceland these days? certainly dont hear much at all from them ;)

 

everyone else who still drinks bankster kool aid, you hear about them rather often, dontcha

 

Honestly! You think this is going to be easy! best of luck to them as far as I'm concerned since I live in Portugal which has suffered from Troika induced austerity also. But you have to have a broader platform than one issue. the two parties are at total odds over immigration for instance.

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you're just not getting into the greek spirit.

the party must go on (old quote of mine from the 80's)

from my pov, govt sensibilities left long ago (if in fact they ever existed)

that greatest time of humanity, the renaissance, was based on greek revival

 

the renaissance was based on Islamic scholars who preserved the ancient greek philosophy and science ...

 

je suis Plato.

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Honestly! You think this is going to be easy! best of luck to them as far as I'm concerned since I live in Portugal which has suffered from Troika induced austerity also. But you have to have a broader platform than one issue. the two parties are at total odds over immigration for instance.

smaller beans than the continued looting of the nation

 

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I was reading some interesting stuff on Greece today and one thing struck me that the way the international finances are structured means that countries with a weak economy and therefore a low credit rating find it hard and expensive to raise capital (because of Moody ratings etc.) and so once you start to sink ... the system pushes your head under water by repeatedly increasing your debt. Then those same lenders dictate your policy towards pensioners and the unemployed and so on, which is the equivalent to beating a fallen man with sticks. Here in Portugal they tried to be super compliant. When asked to cut services they cut even deeper in the hope that the masters would reward them. But of course there wasn't any reward really because the masters don't give a damn about anything except the debt repayments and being 'cautious' about any kind of commitment. Europe, the Eurozone particularly uniquely deals with a set of sovereign nations by deliberately and progressively removing their ability to make autonomous decisions. The economies of small countries are decimated by entry into the EU because all is weighted in favour of Germany/France and local productivity replaced by funding through the various grant systems. So you end up with new motorways but no agriculture for instance.

 

Having set the thing up they then proceed to poke it continuously ... as per the cooking a small fish analogy such that it begins to fall apart. The problem with the EU is that it is very un-Daoist, it's a man made rational plan with no natural flow, no proper energy. Shame really.

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just so long as one recognizes he is describing a strip mining operation and not a stable peaceful bunch of countries.

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"On Nato, Syriza describes its approach as a 'multi-dimensional, pro-peace foreign policy for Greece, with no involvement in wars or military plans.' It seeks 'the re-foundation of Europe away from artificial divisions and Cold War alliances such as Nato.' ... Last year on Syriza MP called for Greece to leave Nato altogether, though the comments were rapidly played down by senior officials,"

 

when the king looks at you as just another debtor colony,

do you really expect loyalty from that colony?

 

or is this just another bargaining chip to trade for debt relief?

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