Vegetarianism and Cultivation

[billb]

Thanks for the updated list. I find it interesting that you describe beef as Yin. In TCM most meat is considered yang and Beef is neutral and vegetables are Yin. You looking at it from a Jing, Qi, Shen perspective?

 

My 2 cents, Peace

I think you are correct I don't know where he got the idea green leafy vegetables are yang they are yin. Also meat is yang I think beef is yang instead of neutral but I am not sure. Anyway the greens are great and balance out the yang foods that he listed so the advice is still very good but go easy on the meat the problem with meat in this country is we eat so much in one sitting. This pollutes the blood with nitrogenous waste and then stresses the kidneys I think only 3 or 4 ounces per meal is more ideal and only once a day. Not having any meat gives gives the organs a rest, assuming we are not eating crap junk food instead.

[thetaoiseasy]

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Edited March 24, 2014 by thetaoiseasy

[RiverSnake]

Old Chi,

 

Sorry for the confusion. I look at it through the energetic perspective. Yang is spiritual and light energy, associated with the sky-- Yin is material and gross energy, associated with the earth.

 

 

K, cool. That's where I thought you might be coming from. Thanks for such a thorough and helpful post.

 

 

My 2 cents, Peace

[Ya Mu]

"Vegetables have a lot more light in them, especially ones with bright inviting colors, and meat has a lot more gross energy to it, especially red meat."

 

And vegetables grown by one's self using natural growing methods have a lot more Light than those in the grocery store; extremely vibrant! And meat from naturally raised pasture grazed animals have more clean Earth-Light than that at the grocery store. Much of the vegetables at the grocery store has dim Light and much of the meat has this gross dark energy surrounding and permeating; I predict you (oldchi) will soon begin seeing this. It is pretty easy to get grossed out by walking through the meat section of grocery store, but if you do, eventually you will be able to discern the cleaner meat (sometimes it just isn't to be found). Start going to local farmer's market if you are not willing to grow your own veggies! Also naturally raised meat is to be found at these markets. In a small raised bed, it is extremely surprising how many vegetables one can grow. I encourage everyone to give this a try. Then try projecting Qi to the plants once a day and see what happens.

 

This subject always boils down to Listening. I have always said, if we Listen, we can sit down at a buffet that has all the choices, one day we will eat different things than other days. Lots of people do have problems going on strict vegetarian diet and do better with meat in their diet.

 

Personally I like home-grown vegetables (what I ate last night!) with meat when I need it. I prefer fish & venison & buffalo as meat sources..

 

Edit: And to add: Eating clean meat will not negatively effect your cultivation efforts. Staying healthy, with what YOUR body needs, is the key. But do keep on blessing your food.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Ya Mu

[Ish]

"Vegetables have a lot more light in them, especially ones with bright inviting colors, and meat has a lot more gross energy to it, especially red meat."

 

And vegetables grown by one's self using natural growing methods have a lot more Light than those in the grocery store; extremely vibrant! And meat from naturally raised pasture grazed animals have more clean Earth-Light than that at the grocery store. Much of the vegetables at the grocery store has dim Light and much of the meat has this gross dark energy surrounding and permeating; I predict you (oldchi) will soon begin seeing this. It is pretty easy to get grossed out by walking through the meat section of grocery store, but if you do, eventually you will be able to discern the cleaner meat (sometimes it just isn't to be found). Start going to local farmer's market if you are not willing to grow your own veggies! Also naturally raised meat is to be found at these markets. In a small raised bed, it is extremely surprising how many vegetables one can grow. I encourage everyone to give this a try. Then try projecting Qi to the plants once a day and see what happens.

 

This subject always boils down to Listening. I have always said, if we Listen, we can sit down at a buffet that has all the choices, one day we will eat different things than other days. Lots of people do have problems going on strict vegetarian diet and do better with meat in their diet.

 

Personally I like home-grown vegetables (what I ate last night!) with meat when I need it. I prefer fish & venison & buffalo as meat sources..

 

Edit: And to add: Eating clean meat will not negatively effect your cultivation efforts. Staying healthy, with what YOUR body needs, is the key. But do keep on blessing your food.

 

 

Hi Michael,

 

In terms of benefit for body & energy & mind, comparing:

 

A ) Grocery bought veg but has been blessed sincerely with ones energy.

B ) Home grown veg but not blessed.

 

I realise its never going to be black and white, and depends on the practitioner who is blessing, but can you comment in general?

 

Thanks!

Edited July 29, 2013 by Ish

[Ya Mu]

This is going to vary depending on so many factors.

I will say, most times with what we grow on our farm there is no need to bless the food - it already is; with grocery store food there is just about always need to do so.

 

edit: To add, my personal choice would be the home-grown every time. While we CAN clean our food with blessing, there is no substitute for all the processes from nature (with no chemical additives) and the love put into food grown by one's self.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Ya Mu

[RiverSnake]

Thanks for the advice Ya Mu, its greatly appreciated. I do hope my sensitivity does get to that point. Gonna look for some farmers markets In my area as well as look into growing some vegetables in my backyard. We already have some banana trees, shouldn't be a stretch to grow some simple vegetables and fruits.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

[mYTHmAKER]

I like what thetaoiseasy said. Maybe better to let your body decide - rather than what your mind thinks it should or shouldn't do based on what you think you understand about this or that. Well, maybe that's not what he said, but that's what I heard him say. LOL

 

warm regards

Trouble is most have trouble differentiating between the two. We may think it's our body when in truth we are driven by

psychological desires.

[mYTHmAKER]

BTW i do not bless my food, i thank my food, which is god, for healing and nourishing my body, which is god.

i also thank those who helped bring it to my table.

[rene]

Trouble is most have trouble differentiating between the two. We may think it's our body when in truth we are driven by

psychological desires.

 

That can happen, sure.

 

It might be just a matter of paying attention to whats going on... If I'm driving and see a golden arches billboard my head might go 'oh! i want a bigmac' I ignore that. If I'm home and just out of the blue think..oh a bigmac sounds good.. then to me, that's my body telling me it needs salt & grease - so I make a bowl of veggies and put in a little extra butter and salt. Whenever I get ready to eat and think 'what sounds good...' it isn't my mind I'm scanning for ideas.

 

Can you think of ways to listen and respond to what the body needs... rather than just trading one set of external eating rules for another?

[mYTHmAKER]

That can happen, sure.

 

It might be just a matter of paying attention to whats going on... If I'm driving and see a golden arches billboard my head might go 'oh! i want a bigmac' I ignore that. If I'm home and just out of the blue think..oh a bigmac sounds good.. then to me, that's my body telling me it needs salt & grease - so I make a bowl of veggies and put in a little extra butter and salt. Whenever I get ready to eat and think 'what sounds good...' it isn't my mind I'm scanning for ideas.

 

Can you think of ways to listen and respond to what the body needs... rather than just trading one set of external eating rules for another?

Some say true hunger originates in the throat. Out of the blue is not necessarily out of the blue. We are inundate with subliminal messages.

I used to crave white seeded rolls with butter and coffee. One day i realized i used to have the same when i was with my uncle.

i also used to crave bagels = Sunday with my parents. A of cravings are psychological. Ya gotta meditate on it and be honest with yourself. Not easy

[skydog]

I like the posts in this thread, very informative thanks and also agree with them.

Edited July 29, 2013 by skydog

[RiverSnake]

Recently read this excerpt and thought it was quite funny given the diversity of opinion:

 

"Dion Fortune urges non-vegetarianism for Western occultist's because giving up animal products may cause a psychic opening to quickly and bring about psychic or physical damage. Those who believe in the theory of Lurianic theory of metempsychosis would argue that you should eat meat, as it will help those who have incarnated move up the evolutionary scale. Others say you should avoid meat, as it brings down your frequency of energy, preventing from evolving as quickly as possible.

 

To my mind you should do whats right for you. If you force yourself to do otherwise, you will be uncomfortable and unhappy, which is a handicap for psychic development. If you don't want to eat meat don't: if you want to eat meat do." Modern Magick: Twelve Lessons in the high Magical Arts by Donald Michal Kraig

 

 

My 2 cents, Peace

[eye_of_the_storm]

From: https://www.vegsoc.org/sslpage.aspx?pid=830

World history of vegetarianism

 

Antiquity

 

Far from being a relatively new phenomenon, vegetarianism has enjoyed a long and diverse history and has been preserved in most cultures since the beginnings of time.

 

In antiquity, vegetarianism found favour with some of the great figures of the classical world, most notably Pythagoras (580 BCE). Well known for his contributions to mathematics, Pythagoras was an independent thinker, the first to admit women to his intellectual circle on equal terms and to argue that the world was a sphere. His teaching that all animals should be treated as kindred included the abstinence from meat. Pythagoras's ideas mirrored, in part, the traditions of much earlier civilisations including the Babylonians and ancient Egyptians. A vegetarian ideology was practised among religious groups in Egypt around 3,200BCE, with abstinence from flesh and the wearing of animal derived clothing based upon karmic beliefs in reincarnation.

 

In the Greek tradition of Pythagoras, it was not only the avoidance of animal cruelty that established vegetarianism as a way of life, he also saw the health advantages a meat-free diet. Pythagoras viewed vegetarianism as a key factor in peaceful human co-existence, putting forward the view that slaughtering animals brutalised the human soul. Other notable Ancient Greek thinkers that came after Pythagoras favoured a vegetarian diet. These included Theophrastus, pupil of Aristotle and successor to him as head of the Lyceum at Athens. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle all debated the status of animals though Aristotle's conclusion that the animal kingdom exists for human use (and in his view, as equal to slaves) prefigured the the view of the Romans and the christian church that was to become the dominant view in the west.

 

Pythagorean ideals found very limited sympathy within the brutality of Ancient Rome, where many wild animals were murdered at the hands of gladiators in the name of sport and spectacle. Pythagoreans were despised as subversives, with many keeping their vegetarianism to themselves for fear of persecution. However, the term 'Pythagorean' was to become synonymous with 'vegetarian' and vegetarianism was to spread throughout the Roman Empire from the 3rd to 6th centuries among those influenced by Neo-Platonist philosophy. Such authors included Plutarch (c.CE46) whose 16 volume work Moralia includes the 'Essay on Flesh Eating' , Porphyry (c.CE232) who wrote 'On Abstinence From Animal Food' and Apollonius who was a well travelled healer and strict vegetarian who spoke out against deliberately imposed grain restrictions.

 

Eastern religions

 

In Asia, abstention from meat was central to such early religious philosophies as Hinduism, Brahinanism, Zoroasterianism and Jainism. Vegetarianism was encouraged in the ancient verses of the 'Upanishads' and also mentioned in 'Rig Veda' -- the most sacred of ancient Hindu texts. Pivotal to such religions were doctrines of non-violence and respect for all life forms.

 

Vegetarianism has always been central to Buddhism, which enshrines compassion to all living creatures. Buddha and Pythagoras were almost exact contemporaries and it is possible that the Greek thinker was influenced by Indian mystical teachings.The Indian king Asoka (who reigned between 264~232 BC) converted to Buddhism, shocked by the horrors of battle. Animal sacrifices were ended as his kingdom became vegetarian.

 

Christianity

 

Early Christianity brought with it ideas of human supremacy over all living things, but several unorthodox groups did break ranks. Practiced between the 3rd and 10th centuries AD, Manicheanism was another philosophy against animal slaughter. These non-violent vegetarian ascetics were painted as fanatical deviants, feared, loathed and frequently persecuted by the established church. The vegetarian Bogamils, a christian sect living in what is now Bulgaria, were burned at the stake for heresy, against the paranoid backdrop of Mediaeval Europe in the 10th Century. There was a fervent 'anti-heretic' tone to most of Europe during this dark period and many innocents perished. However, two notable vegetarians escaped: St David, Patron Saint of Wales, and St Francis of Assisi.

The Renaissance and Enlightenment

 

During the early Renaissance period, an open vegetarian ideology was a rare phenomena. Famine and disease were rife as crops failed and food was short. Meat was largely a scarce and expensive luxury for the rich. It was during this period that there was to be a rediscovery of ancient classical philosophy. Pythagorean and Neo-Platonic thought would once again become influential in Europe. The rediscovery of the Classical writers included the notion that animals were sensitive to pain and therefore were deserving of moral consideration and this idea was to be revisited during the later Enlightenment period when the scientific method was to service the opposite view. With the bloody conquest of 'new' lands, new vegetables were introduced into Europe, such as potatoes, cauliflower and maize. This had a beneficial effect on health, helping to prevent such things as skin diseases which were then widespread. Against a backdrop of the gluttony of wealthy renaissance Italy, such figures as the long-lived dietitian Cornaro (1465-1566) emerged in vehement criticism of the prevailing excesses of high class culture and took to a vegetarian diet. Eramus and Thomas More both wrote with some passion on the plight of animals. They, along with Montaigne, were appalled by the brutal practices associated with blood sports and, though they mocked the hunting classes, none of them personally gave up the practice of eating meat. Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519), visionary inventor, draughtsman and painter was repulsed by the slaughter of animals and was known in his own time as one who openly denounced the eating of meat.

 

With the Enlightenment of the eighteenth century there emerged a new appraisal of man's place in the order of creation and with the new scientific mastery of enquiry rebounded mastery over the animal kingdom. Descartes' attempts to scientifically disprove the existence of animal souls gave way to vivisection and to the concept of animal as machine. In opposition to this position, British philosopher John Locke voiced arguments that animals were intelligent feeling creatures and moral objections were raised as there was an increasing distaste for the mistreatment of animals. Amongst western religions there was a re-emergence of the view that, in fact, flesh consumption was an aberration from God's will and the genuine nature of humanity. During these days, slaughter methods were extremely barbaric. Pigs were flogged to death with knotted rope to tenderise the carcass and hens were slit at the mouth, hung up and left to bleed to death.

 

Famous vegetarians of the period included the poets John Gay and Alexander Pope, royal physician Dr John Arbuthnot, penal reformer John Howard and creator of the Methodist movement John Wesley. Wesley was influenced by the famed physician Dr Cheyne who himself had adopted a form of 'The Vegetable Diet' to, like Cornaro before him, cure himself of a number of obesity related ills in the first half of the 18th century. It was Dr Cheyne's work that was to directly impact on subsequent generations of reforming physicians like Dr William Lambe and Dr John Newton. Great philosophers such as Voltaire and Rousseau all questioned man's inhumanity to animals. Voltaire had read Antonio Cocchi's The Pythagorean Diet (trans. French 1762) and Rousseau's work Emile, though not specifically on vegetarian themes, made an impact on French Vegetarian poet Lamartine and reforming educationalist Pestalozzi. Thomas Paine's extremely influential 'The Rights of Man' (1791) raised wider animal rights issues.

 

Romantics and Reformers

 

Noteworthy vegetarian figures of the 19th century represent the range of cultural expression of the age: the humanist perspective, a reforming religious, social or medical zeal and a romantic spiritualism by turns. Prominent dietitian and physician of the age Dr William Lambe (1765-1847) is a central figure who straddles both the medical and literary worlds. Part of the circle of radical thinkers including Mary Wolstoncraft and the poet Shelley, Lambe was often the guest of Dr John Newton whose family promoted the 'Vegetable Diet' and was later to become instrumental in the setting up of The Vegetarian Society. Romantic poet Shelley became a vegetarian in 1812. He was fervent in his renunciation of meat consumption, convinced of the healthy advantages a meat-free diet could offer. Shelley also added a political dimension to the cause of vegetarianism by pointing out the inefficient use of resources. Meat was still at this time the habitual reserve of the privileged and Shelley cited meat production as a reason for food shortages among society's most needy.

 

The influence of politically astute and reforming clergymen in vegetarian history is seen in the history of the Vegetarian Society itself. The year 1809 marks the beginning of a movement within an offshoot of the English church towards vegetarianism as an expression of Christian faith. Establishing the Bible Christian Church in Salford in 1809 the Reverend William Cowherd pointed to biblical references in his appeal against meat eating. Popular on account of his wider concern for his congregation's welfare and offering healing, food and free burial Cowherd's religious roots were in the Swedenborgian movement.

 

Swedenborgianism was a mystic form of Christianity commonly associated with painter and poet William Blake and linked to the Renaissance German mystic Jacob Behmen. Though Cowherd broke with the Swedenborgians to form the Bible Christian Church the relationship between the English vegetarian movement and that of the USA was galvanised by politically outspoken Swedenborgian Jonathan Wright when he left England under crown threat to join his brother-in-law William Metcalfe in Philadelphia. In 1817 Metcalfe had emigrated to the US with members of his Yorkshire congregation and in 1850 was to set up the American Vegetarian Society.

 

Back in England, in 1847 convergent groups including the members of Alcott House a reforming educational college and the Northwood Villa Infirmary met with members of the Bible Christian Church now led by Joseph Brotherton at the Ramsgate conference and formed The Vegetarian Society.

The influence of radical Christianity in the 19th Century was to give the cause of vegetarianism great impetus in Britain and the USA. Such groups were vegetarian fundamentalist Christians, with large congregations made up of the newly urbanised poor. Representatives who ventured away from Britain and vegetarian communes were evident in the USA in the 1830s, practiced among such groups as the Seventh Day Adventists. A notable practitioner of this religion was Dr John Harvey Kellogg, preacher and inventor of famously of breakfast cereals.

 

By the 1880s, vegetarian restaurants were popular in London, offering cheap and nutritious meals in respectable settings.

 

The Twentieth Century

 

At the turn of the 20th Century, British public health was still in a poor state, with high levels of infant mortality and widespread poverty. The Vegetarian Society sent food parcels to mining communities during the General Strike of 1926; vegetarianism and humanitarianism have always been closely linked.

Any history of vegetarianism would be incomplete without mentioning the contribution made by Mahatma Gandhi, who wrote extensively on the subject. Vegetarianism was central to his life and was informed by the ascetic life of his mother Putlibai, Jainism, his politics and, of course, Hinduism.

Because of general food shortages during World War II, the British were encouraged to 'Dig For Victory' and grow their own fruit and vegetables. A near vegetarian diet sustained the population and the nation's health was to improve vastly during the war years and vegetarians themselves were issued with special ration cards that allowed for more nuts, eggs and cheese in lieu of meat. In 1945 it is estimated that there were about 100,000 vegetarians in the UK. The figure today is approaching two million.

In the 1950s and '60s, the general public became increasingly aware of the truth behind intensive factory farming, which had been introduced in the UK following the war. Vegetarianism also appealed to mid 1960's counterculture, as Eastern influences permeated Western popular culture. The 1970's saw serious academic attention turn to the ethics of animal welfare, with Peter Singer's seminal book Animal Liberation in 1975 spawning the movement against animal experimentation and factory farming.

During the 1980s and '90s, vegetarianism was given major impetus as the disastrous impact humanity was having upon the Earth become more apparent. Environmental issues dominated the headlines and were for a time foregrounded in politics. Vegetarianism was rightfully seen as part of the process of change and conservation of resources.

 

In the mid 1990s, issues such as livestock imports rallied opposition from many 'ordinary' people from all over the UK. Very real health concerns were raised when it was realised that some flesh foods were infected with such diseases as 'Mad Cow Disease' (BSE), Lysteria and Salmonella. Since the 1980s, popular conscience had anyway become focussed on healthy living and there was the realisation that food was very important in this. Consequently consumption of meat has plummeted, as many millions of people in the West have turned to vegetarianism as a safe and healthy alternative.

 

The history of vegetarianism has consisted of an amazing diversity of characters and events. Vegetarianism has been evident in cultures all over the world and a largely vegetarian diet has sustained humanity for many thousands of years, for moral, religious and economic reasons. With the global population growing and resources stretched, vegetarianism shows the way forward into histories yet to come.

Edited August 3, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air