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"If spirit wanders outside, vitality will scatter to become generative fluid, the exhaustion of which causes death." p. 83

 

"When the eyes see a form of love it steals the generative force." p. 28

 

Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality calls this the "fire of the heart" as "evil fire" that "arouses the genital organ, and although thoughts are absent, this fire is not the genuine one...." (p. 53).

So I'm talking about something as light signaling - no thoughts - it's a type of Emptiness already - but it's still evil fire.

"the eyes twinkle and the heart vibrates in sympathy." So the eyes pick something up via light signaling but without conscious thoughts.

Then "as thoughts increase" the evil fire becomes more intense and the genital organ will be aroused more frequently....

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O.K. - more details about the base of the spine for kundalini.

 

The yang qi descends from the lower tan tien via the front channel - functioning channel - to the base of the spine.

 

 

....unexpectedly my lower tan t'ien (under the navel) became unusually hot and most relaxing overwhelming me with great joy....At this stage vitality seemed to but actually did not drain away. Then positive vitality went down and veered to the base of the backbone to ascend slowly. Simultaneously the channels of control and function opened up by themselves. I immediately practiced immortal breathing through the heel and trunk pathways to turn the wheel of law...." p. 103

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This illusory agent is the generative fluid which contains the evil fire that develops when it is aroused by vital force. ...the most you can expect is to improve your health by eradicating all ailments." p. 110

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So it states - Taoist Yoga states on page 78 - if you see white light when your eyes are closed - that's just negative spirit - and is "absolutely useless."

that time I drove from albany to boston in the middle of the night, the mileage marker saying 187 miles to go or something of that sort....well, it wasnt absolutely useless :lol: but I knew I was heading in the right direction at a good speed :)

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that time I drove from albany to boston in the middle of the night, the mileage marker saying 187 miles to go or something of that sort....well, it wasnt absolutely useless :lol: but I knew I was heading in the right direction at a good speed :)

 

It is not absolutely useless, in fact, not at the least. But in the context of Yang Shen being the final goal of this part of the practice as described in this book, the author emphasized this on purpose; so as not to let the practitioner become entrapped in the wonders and skills produced at this stage of development, of which there are many; such as spirit projection, and like Joe said, it is a measure of progress.

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I'm not sure about the "good speed" conclusion because you can easily have an accident, get delayed or lost, etc.

 

"The generative force which is still immature can not produce the white light of vitality...." p. 122

 

The point being if you only see light internally and not externally - the internal light is called the "relative void" and that's why it's absolutely useless - it is not a permanent transformation as occurs when the generative force is full.

 

So when the lower tan tien fills with yin chi then you hit the Tai Chi as an enlightenment experience and you achieve the "absolute void" as real Emptiness - seeing light outside of your body.

 

"if thoughts are allowed to rise during meditation, outside air will enter the body and blow out the light." p. 123

 

This indicates just how difficult this training is - what he is talking about is bad energy lowering the frequency in the body - caused by the mind not being strong enough to protect against it - not maintaining concentration.

 

So the analogy of a road trip is not accurate in my opinion.

 

My experience is the metaphor of climbing a mountain - 10% of Everest climbers die from the experience.

 

The higher you go the more dangerous it is.

 

"It is very difficult for the practiser to refrain from using this manifesting vitality (which is tempting). He has to bury the heart (the seat of the fire of passion) in order to resurrect (essential) nature."

 

p. 152

 

So that vitality is the light that can be seen in front of him - outside of his body.

 

And we can say at this point - and since the beginning - for the real training -

 

there should be no goal pursued at all - no mountaintop nor destination.

 

"His discrimination and likes and dislikes will cause demonic states to manifest thereby destroying all previous progress....This is the death of consciousness leading to the resurrection of (essential) nature." p. 153

 

What I find fascinating is that at the end of the practice it states:

 

"concentrating on the demonic light to suck it into his body in order to transmute it into positive light. As time passes this demonic light will be purified and transformed into the light of positive spirit which will sustain the foetus in its full development." p. 173

 

This is exactly what I was wondering about when I saw the original qigong master - he had dead people as spirits hovering around him and yet at the same time the original qigong master kept creating more yin spirits out of the top of his head that he sent out to heal people - individualized spirit healing.

 

So then when the original qigong master explained that he was sending the dead people back into the Emptiness - I wondered if he was actually sucking them into his body and transforming them into positive spirit (golden light as the prenatal vitality Emptiness) and then sending out yin spirits from that energy - light of vitality - to heal people.

 

I think that above statement confirms that to be the case.

 

"You have realised only the negative spirit which appears during the preliminary stages of the practice. When you close your eyes and see a white light in front of you it is negative spirit which is absolutely useless....restore the generative force to invigorate the brain so that the positive spirit manifests....If you wrongly search for the negative spirit by closing your eyes to look into the (relative) emptiness of the void it will lead to (the realm of) birth and death which is in the province of consciousness; you then will achieve nothing until you die." pp. 78-9.

 

"the production of post-natal negative spirit results in consciousness." p. 79

 

"inertness to false voidness leads." p. 48

 

"Voidness which does not radiate [outside of the body] is relative but voidness which radiates is absolute. Absolute voidness is not empty like relative voidness. Voidness that is not empty is spiritual light which is spirit-vitality that springs from the yellow hall centre (huang ting or middle tan t'ien in the solar plexus)." p. 3

 

So that doesn't happen until the lower tan tien is filled up with the positive generative force - yang jing or yin chi energy.

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"10 THE METHOD OF GATHER VITALITY

 

When (vital) breath vibrates and the penis stands erect, the practiser should press his middle fingers on the dragon and tiger cavities (in the centres of the two palms) raise his tongue to the palate to make a bridge linking with the channel of control, look up and to the left, breathe in to raise (vitality) to the region of the brain (ni wan) and then breathe out to lower it to the mortal gate (at the root of the penis). After several such ascents and descents, the genital organ will retract."

 

 

Taoist Yoga changed my life, precisely because of this instruction. I consider myself fairly well read in the field of esoterics, but sometimes instruction needs to emphasized properly to stand out. Taoist Yoga emphasizes the method of gathering vitality, which is the key to get the alchemical process started, since it gathers the fuel for the process.

 

A big problem I've had over the years is precisely this, gather vitality, because "generative force seeks an outlet" and I would get frequent erections that would would culminate in the stirring of desire. I did not know how to deal with the Morning Wood properly, which constantly resulted in the leaking of the generative force.

 

With this profound instruction I now have a way to quickly and effectively sublimate the generative force so that it is not leaked. This is most valuable and for the first time in my life I can properly feel vitality gathering and Qi moving in my body and healing taking place.

 

This is a golden key, together with the stilling of the heart and desires.

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I would say it is 95% focused on refining energy by circulating it through different combinations of the meridians.

 

Some of these are conventional orbits, like the Macro and Micro orbits, but many of them in the book are connections between meridians and Dan Tiens, that I have never come across before.

 

A great deal of the book concentrates on laying the foundation, by balancing the yin and yang organs and it concentrates heavily on rooting the body energetically into the earth to create the proper foundation and connection to the Yin Qi of the earth.

 

Then after that there are practices to connect to the Yang Qi, then basic, intermediary and advanced methods of beating and drumming the Qi meditations and others used to combine The Yin Qi and the Yang Qi in the Dan Tien and fuse them together.

 

Once the foundation is laid, then one can begin cultivation of the immortal arts (as we know it in the Taoist Yoga). Although what you get in JAJs current book is in a lot more detail and rather than using a lot of symbolic wording he approaches things from a Chinese and Western medical point of view, that just MAKES sense logically, without the need for ambiguity.

 

I will post more : )

Hello, Im new around here so I don't really understand a lot of the abbreviations. Whos is JAJ and what book are you talking about? Thanks!

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Hello, Im new around here so I don't really understand a lot of the abbreviations. Whos is JAJ and what book are you talking about? Thanks!

 

I was referring to Daoist Internal Alchemy, by Jerry Alan Johnson. :closedeyes:

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That book is absolutely incredible.

 

His Daoist Magic Transformation Skills, is also really, really good.

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"Again I put another question, 'We all know the saying that if the fertilizing fluid (Jing) is sufficient you desire no sexual activities, and Qi sufficient you no longer desire the food, and pre-heaven mind-will sufficient you won't sleep any more, would you please tell us how to make the three sufficient enough and how to know that the three are sufficient? '

My master observed, 'The revolution of small waterwheel, like the furling and unfurling of a bellows, plays a magnificent part in replenishing the Qi which, accumulating in lower elixir field, will reach the height of its growth sooner or later. When there is no fertilizing fluid (Jing) emerging Hui Yin acupoint will automatically close up, and the penis will gradually shrink till it has the same size as like a baby.

 

Generally speaking, a male baby never possesses sexual desire, of which everybody knows. This phenomenon can be used to solve the question why a man, who has obtain the sufficient Qi and converted all fertilizing fluid (Jing), will never have the sexual desire." - http://www.taoiststudy.com/content/step-5-administer-fertilizing-fluid-jing2

 

 

Can it then be said that the condensation of Qi into Generative Force/Jing is a habit of the body, which is gradually stopped after sufficient sublimation of Jing into Qi because that maybe signals the body to stop the habit and not produce Jing anymore?

 

Or is it specifically Generative Fluid that has to stop appearing at Hui Yin before sexual desire ceases, and that general Jing is still produced to fuel other aspects of physicality?

 

 

EDIT:

 

I refer to 'The Way to Eternity' at www.taoiststudy.com because there are many parallels to 'Taoist Yoga', sometimes it seems to even be quoting almost directly from it just with different terms and translation.

 

Fertilizing fluid (Jing) in the above may refer to Generative Fluid, and thus, when all Generative Fluid has been converted into Generative Force->Qi, and no more Generative Fluid appears then Hui Yin will close naturally. So the condensation of Generative Force into Generative Fluid is the habit of the body that can be stopped so that no more Generative Fluid exists.

 

However, when the paragraph says: "if the fertilizing fluid (Jing) is sufficient you desire no sexual activities," fertilizing fluid in this case must mean Generative Force, because if you have sufficient Generative Fluid it seems like you will definitely be prone to seeking a sexual outlet.

 

 

"If you mistake the revolving of small waterwheel for the method that can be applicable for the whole process of converting the fertilizing fluid (Jing) to Qi, you are immensely mistaken, because the invention of it mainly aims at refilling fertilizing fluid (Jing) and compensating for the previous loss of fertilizing fluid (Jing) by the previous unrestricted indulgence in the desires and emotions, and partially transforming fertilizing fluid (Jing) to Qi.

 

So here we can conclude that the small waterwheel makes up the initial means while harvesting Qi the subsequent one which, after the fertilizing fluid (Jing) has been restored to sufficiency, will supersede the former and be used for fully conversing from fertilizing fluid (Jing) to Qi." - http://www.taoiststudy.com/content/step-6-harvest-pre-heaven-vital-energy

 

Above states that the Channel MCO/SHO is used to produce pre-heaven fertilizing fluid (Jing) or Yang Jing/Generative Force, which is really interesting, since the MCO moves Yang Qi in the Ren and Du channels so how would that produce Yang Jing?

 

For sublimating Generative Force into Yin Qi firing the LDT is the main technique:

 

"As soon as the pre-heaven Qi, in the form of pre-heaven fertilizing fluid (Jing), has been hoarded up in lower elixir field, practitioner should at once put into practice the method of transforming the pre-heaven fertilizing fluid (Jing). Settle your mind-will in lower elixir field, attach a good deal of attention to breathing in and breathing out---both processes should be carried out smoothly and extensively, not violently and hastily in the least.

 

Launching the breathing in with mind-will ascending the Du Channel, and breathing out with your mind-will descending the Ren Channel. Breathing in and then breathing out for about thirty-six or seventy-two times you will get the feeling that the lower elixir field, of its own accord, begins to engage in the action of breathing in and breathing out as does the lung. Perceiving this practitioner should terminate the acquired breathing and again slip into profound stillness to put into practice moderate fire."

 

 

 

 

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