The Tao of Dying

[Stosh]

Anyone who doesnt want thier evil money any more should post me, so I can tell them where to send it.

 

Money is a medium of exchange , a means of trading skills and efforts so one can promote that which they want promoted and to focus efforts on tasks that need to be done for the benefit of society.

Chickens could be money, carrots could be money, sweat equity could be money,, its just easier to hand paper back and forth.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Stosh

[silent thunder]

Anyone who doesnt want thier evil money any more should post me, so I can tell them where to send it.

 

Money is a medium of exchange , a means of trading skills and efforts so one can promote that which they want promoted and to focus efforts on tasks that need to be done for the benefit of society.

Chickens could be money, carrots could be money, sweat equity could be money,, its just easier to hand paper back and forth.

Nicely put.

Money is a neutral tool, although it's rather abstract.

Basically, money equals options.

[Stosh]

Nicely put.

Money is a neutral tool, although it's rather abstract.

Basically, money equals options.

Thanks ,

and ,yes its an abstract ,,like so many we operate with

many many of them , the majority of what we deal with probably

and not off-the- wall "hypothetical" like the big bang, atoms , and such ones as that.

[sree]

Good idea. I just tried to donate money to this forum. It only take bitcoins. I don't konw about bitcoins. I was ripped off by Paypal. I don't use web money anymore.

 

No donations. Donations by those who are cognizant of reality go to enable those who are not.

 

Those who WON"T pay their way are unconcionable thieves and robbers.

 

Those who CAN"T pay their way are also unconscionable thieves and robbers.

 

Each must pay his way - no more, no less. Then, and only then, it is possible to rule a large country like cooking a small fish.

Edited June 7, 2013 by sree

[zerostao]

the thing i was attacking is the dependency. money is functional, and highly functional for the weak.

still, and i know i wandered into this thread late,and i know how some of these tb threads progress but it started off as

The Tao of Dying and not as the Tao of Money. it was suggested that it really was a thread about living.

so, i am asking myself, if some of these bums are that dependent on money, then why dont they just take a year or 2 and gather up some lovely money? and then they could move on and live their life.

is your life always just going to be a pursuit of some money?

it is just like chasing the next hit of crack

isnt that some form of slavery?

the Tao i playfully play with each day isnt weak and dependent or a slave system.

 

the Lacanian barred subject, $, which

is as such foreign to, incompatible with, enjoyment:

and ya'll can spend your lives however you wish, pun intended

Edited June 7, 2013 by zerostao

[Stosh]

One doesnt ordinarily pay slaves nowadays do we? Ill have to check with my accountant..

 

time passes

 

Yep , they tell me I do pay them!

Imagine that!

 

[gentlewind]

One doesnt ordinarily pay slaves nowadays do we? Ill have to check with my accountant..

 

time passes

 

Yep , they tell me I do pay them!

Imagine that!

 

 

Their is always someone to answer to. Always.

 

Well dressed slaves:-

 

shirt and tie

a. cuffs = handcuffs

b. collar = collar and chain(the tie)

 

So ! Slaves they still be, well dressed, but still slaves.

 

Slavery comes in many forms. What addiction are you a slave to ?

 

Namaste,

 

gentlewind

[Stosh]

Their is always someone to answer to. Always.

 

Well dressed slaves:-

 

shirt and tie

a. cuffs = handcuffs

b. collar = collar and chain(the tie)

 

So ! Slaves they still be, well dressed, but still slaves.

 

Slavery comes in many forms. What addiction are you a slave to ?

 

Namaste,

 

gentlewind

Yeah Im just joshing

The universal thump goes round and round ,just as You and Ishmael said .

Not telling though

Edited June 7, 2013 by Stosh

[silent thunder]

Well, Wallmart pays well, good, decent, fair.... hmm.

[rain]

fancy that! two in a restaurant and nobody dying. yet. ain´t this america

money, handcuffs and slavery

 

death is close

Edited June 7, 2013 by rain

[Stosh]

Well, Wallmart pays well, good, decent, fair.... hmm.

Someone has to hire the handicapped

[gentlewind]

Yeah Im just joshing

The universal thump goes round and round ,just as You and Ishmael said .

Not telling though

Wasn't aimed at you Stosh (my favorite Liverpool player was John Toshack, which kinda is like Stosh !), your post just reminded me of that !

 

Namaste,

 

gentlewind

[gentlewind]

Anyone who doesnt want thier evil money any more should post me, so I can tell them where to send it.

 

Money is a medium of exchange , a means of trading skills and efforts so one can promote that which they want promoted and to focus efforts on tasks that need to be done for the benefit of society.

Chickens could be money, carrots could be money, sweat equity could be money,, its just easier to hand paper back and forth.

Promissory Notes is what the thing called 'money' is, apparently. Says on the note - 'Promise to pay the bearer' etc

 

A lady in London, UK, went into the Bank of England and asked for ten pounds or ounces of gold in return for her tenner. She was escorted out and the doors were closed and locked ! Not sure for how long for though.

 

Here's an interesting talk, only 58 mins, but interesting and related to money.

 

I apologize for going off topic, but as a few of us were discussing it I thought I'd throw this in. I agree with those who have said money is neutral - shame we can't ! One of my aunties was a successful business woman in Belgium, she became a millionaire a few times over; I'd stay at her mansion in the summer school holidays, it was bliss. However she was not driven by money, it wasn't an obsession. However it couldn't bring her happiness. She died at 53. An alcoholic. She was a smart business woman but her marriage sucked. My brother has always been obsessed with money and had a successful career as a corporate lawyer, nice car and house, proud of his 'status' in 'society'. To 'climb' the corporate ladder and improve his 'status' he became involved in a huge deal in which he would have benefited to the tune of 2 million UK Pounds. One heck of a carrot if money is your drug. He didn't succeed and spent two yrs behind bars - his lawyer had told him he was looking at 8-10 yrs !!! The prosecution were livid (involved parties included the CIA, FBI, MI5 and the Tax Man !!!)at his 2 yrs. But he had to divorce his wife, sign over the house etc to avoid further punishment. I don't know the whole story, and don't want to know, I only became involved because he needed a character reference from me.

 

It bothered me not that he was going to prison because he deserved to, he was guilty. He got caught. Good bye. You can see were not close ! Suits me - without the collars and cuffs(groaned at that but hey, its Friday).

 

As for me, money has never been a factor in my Life. I believe I have been guided by my team of Invisible Helpers to this point in my Life in fairly good shape.

 

Another cracking topic for discussion though !

 

Namaste,

 

gentlewind

[sree]

money aint my reality and no one feeds me

 

Ok, so you feed yourself. With what?

 

sounds like you have a serious dependency problem in regards to money.

 

Yeah, you can say that. I do have a dependency problem with regards to money, like a serious dependency problem with regards to air....and water, food, clothing and an address...you know what I mean by address? I need a place to sleep, wash and shave and cook a meal and get my mail. I can't live in a neighborhood where the gangs come out when the temperature is 85 degrees to shoot the place up. So, it's costing me $10,000 a year village taxes just to have safe neighbors. The only way to get rid of this dependency is to bungy-jump Home.

Tao is like water some say, a little is great, too much drowns you.

 

Too much money drowns you? What lengths would you go to justify failure in life?

[sree]

On the topic of dying, I found this --

 

Deepak Chopra?

Edited June 8, 2013 by sree

[silent thunder]

death like sleep?

or death like being awake, but locked in a box?

or death like nothingness, no ideas, no self?

death like a blanket?

death like birth

unremembered

 

relax

[zerostao]

Ok, so you feed yourself. With what?

 

 

Yeah, you can say that. I do have a dependency problem with regards to money, like a serious dependency problem with regards to air....and water, food, clothing and an address...you know what I mean by address? I need a place to sleep, wash and shave and cook a meal and get my mail. I can't live in a neighborhood where the gangs come out when the temperature is 85 degrees to shoot the place up. So, it's costing me $10,000 a year village taxes just to have safe neighbors. The only way to get rid of this dependency is to bungy-jump Home.

 

Too much money drowns you? What lengths would you go to justify failure in life?

i dont always maintain a varied, balanced, organic diet, including herbs,nuts, berries,fruits, right now i am drinking coffee, but i usually do alright. but some fasting is healthy.

i am going to suggest to you that you are far more dependent on air and water and food than you are with money. altho i realize that you are consumed by your addiction to it. money's illusory powers have you distracted to the point of you dont understand the point of life and are now focusing on the idea of dying. your choice of address sounds frightening. in my neck of the woods gangs are not tolerated and are not to be found. i hope by "village taxes" you are referring to rent, mortgage, or property taxes. and not some form of heavy extortion? where i am there are safe helpful caring neighbors included at no extra charge.

address? yes i understand and i am not limited to those either. i am free range. altho i do maintain some addresses and luckily for me, my caring helpful safe neighbors keep a watchful eye while i am away. it always feels great to visit those addresses from time to time. so , i do once a year, pay some property taxes. and i cannot say that i am 100% in complete triumph over money.and a year or 2 from now, i may choose to do sth for money, but in my reality happiness and health, (they go hand in hand) having fun and sharing experiences with others, bonding and forming friendships, love, are way higher up my top ten needs/wants list than money.

money may be in my top ten, i havnt checked the list lately. it may sneak in at ten idk.

sree, this thread started off and i may have looked at 200 of the replies here, with some good content, highly entertaining and even thought provoking. and that is why i entered into it. but if it is only going to devolve into some mindless dribble about money, it becomes exceedingly useless and boring.

i absolutely stick by and stand firm with my remark that too much money will kill you. sure it is a good idea to go to the beach and try surfing, it should remind you that water is a powerful force and can be dangerous, but trying to swim across the pacific may not be the brightest idea.

for me failure in life would be having money rule over every aspect of my life. compared to water as a force or substance, or having aesthetic value ,money aint shit. if i am sitting on top of the last source of clean water and you are holding all the money, guess what.

[gentlewind]

 

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gentlewind

[sree]

i dont always maintain a varied, balanced, organic diet, including herbs,nuts, berries,fruits, right now i am drinking coffee, but i usually do alright. but some fasting is healthy.

 

Coffee? That’s a luxury even if it is not from Starbucks. Coffee costs money. What’s wrong with tap water? Even that costs money. And don’t flush the toilet. Water costs money. Don’t try dumping in the park because you will be arrested. Move to India and do it in the Ganges.

 

i am going to suggest to you that you are far more dependent on air and water and food than you are with money. altho i realize that you are consumed by your addiction to it. money's illusory powers have you distracted to the point of you dont understand the point of life and are now focusing on the idea of dying.

 

The point is, it costs money to stay alive. I am not addicted to money. I am addicted to our way of life which costs money to live. Money’s powers are not illusory. Money empowers you to drink coffee which is traded on the Commodity Exchange and imported and shipped to where you are. Are you cognizant of reality?

 

your choice of address sounds frightening. in my neck of the woods gangs are not tolerated and are not to be found. i hope by "village taxes" you are referring to rent, mortgage, or property taxes. and not some form of heavy extortion? where i am there are safe helpful caring neighbors included at no extra charge.

 

Are you living in small town USA or a rural commune of like-minded spiritualists?

 

address? yes i understand and i am not limited to those either. i am free range. altho i do maintain some addresses and luckily for me, my caring helpful safe neighbors keep a watchful eye while i am away. it always feels great to visit those addresses from time to time. so , i do once a year, pay some property taxes. and i cannot say that i am 100% in complete triumph over money.and a year or 2 from now, i may choose to do sth for money, but in my reality happiness and health, (they go hand in hand) having fun and sharing experiences with others, bonding and forming friendships, love, are way higher up my top ten needs/wants list than money.

 

Forget about friendships and love. Without money, you won’t be able to stay alive unless you free range in the forests with jungle tribes willing to take you in. Don’t for a moment think that you will have friends and love should you fall ill and become disabled in the city. Helpers on this side of reality need money to live on too.

 

money may be in my top ten, i havnt checked the list lately. it may sneak in at ten idk.

sree, this thread started off and i may have looked at 200 of the replies here, with some good content, highly entertaining and even thought provoking. and that is why i entered into it. but if it is only going to devolve into some mindless dribble about money, it becomes exceedingly useless and boring.

 

You are missing the point. Money is your safety net. I am not talking about the intrinsic value of cash in your pocket or bank account for you to splurge on fun and toys. I am talking about our way of life that is driven by money. If you don’t have money, you stop living unless someone else is paying for your tab. People who live off other people’s money without pitching in their share are not cognizant of reality. The Tao of Dying cannot be a part of the way we live because it is dangerous. Dependency on money is dangerous. To be blind to this dependency is as crazy as playing on the high wire without a safety net.

 

i absolutely stick by and stand firm with my remark that too much money will kill you. sure it is a good idea to go to the beach and try surfing, it should remind you that water is a powerful force and can be dangerous, but trying to swim across the pacific may not be the brightest idea.

for me failure in life would be having money rule over every aspect of my life. compared to water as a force or substance, or having aesthetic value ,money aint shit. if i am sitting on top of the last source of clean water and you are holding all the money, guess what.

 

The truth is, money does rule over every aspect of your life. You are not cognizant of this reality. As I said, money has no intrinsic value. Water has intrinsic value. But you cannot get water without money which has become our bridge to every essential thing in life like water, food, clothing, shelter. Why do I even have to explain this to you?

 

Just because you are content with a dollar cup of coffee doesn’t mean that no one else should have a $2,000 bottle of Chateau Latour. Just because you are happy with your address cared for by friends free of charge doesn’t mean no one else is entitled to be content with a multi-million dollar mansion on a private island watched over by personal security guards. It’s all relative.

 

In our world, if there is a last source of clean water and I am holding all the money, guess what? That clean water you are sitting on will be going to me. This is the sad truth. You people just don't get it even when you are the poor victims of the power of money. You are not cognizant of reality.

Edited June 8, 2013 by sree

[zerostao]

2nd edit>> but what i didnt want to happen kinda happened here and we devolved into mindless dribble of talk about money. lets move on to sth more fascinating?

Edited June 8, 2013 by zerostao

[sree]

2nd edit>> but what i didnt want to happen kinda happened here and we devolved into mindless dribble of talk about money. lets move on to sth more fascinating?

 

Sorry, pal. I know it's boring to look at the harsh realities of life. I can't move away from it to stuff that fascinates you. I need to focus on picking this damn lock to find the Tao of Dying.

 

Bye.

[zerostao]

Sorry, pal. I know it's boring to look at the harsh realities of life. I can't move away from it to stuff that fascinates you. I need to focus on picking this damn lock to find the Tao of Dying.

 

Bye.

its not my reality thats harsh.

[sree]

its not my reality thats harsh.

 

I know. You are zero looking out for himself.

[sree]

Not "generally the case" ALWAYS THE CASE -we die

There just isnt anything anyone has ever ,or will ever, be able to do anything about it.

 

And this is what you have learned?

 

So yes I have largely accepted that fate ( but I pretty much expect to run, if the reaper shows up)

Yep dissatisfaction drives human ingenuity in large degree, but personally, I dont see what good ingenuity is!

if your life experience still sucks.

 

Most of the stuff I was trained to think was wrong , and un-learning that stuff is my "practice" or "discipline".

 

So, it’s all wrong.

 

If there just isn’t anything anyone has ever, or will ever, be able to do anything about it, why even bother to unlearn? Especially, when you don’t see what good ingenuity is?

[gentlewind]

Some folk are too immersed in their conditioning. Others have begun to remove these unwanted downloads, which cause more hassle than those pesky pop ups: however their is still much work to be done in discovering these harmful viruses.

 

It is wise to do an internal scan at least three times a day.

 

I meditate upon my coming transition at least three times a week. I imagine my consciousness laughing as it bids farewell to its vehicle of operation, and then grabbing hold of a rainbow colored rope as I Bungy Jump Home !

 

I use my NDE as preparation for my transition Home, you see on leaving my body I entered an ocean of brown swirling clouds, I was never frightened - but I was curious as to what was happening ! It was a short journey through the brown swirling clouds, and then I happened upon a most glorious and enchanting Land; for to my young 12 yr old eyes it was a Land - sand, golden sand everywhere. I didn't walk when I moved, it was effortless, in fact I question was I the one moving ! I drank .in the vibrant, dancing colors which were alive, and radiated Pure Love. The sky was a beautiful blue, a blue unlike any blue I'd ever seen on Earth. The Sun was bright but nowhere to be seen. I searched the majestic and soothing blue sky to see where the Sun was, alas, it was nowhere to be seen. I moved past bungalows built from glittering sandstone, I didn't see anyone else but knew I was not alone. Finally I arrived in what I would call a cathedral. It was huge, it went on forever. I looked around and counted 12 stain glass windows with figures in them, none I recognized. And then a Voice spoke to me asking me three questions, it was both internal and external, the Voice.

 

Is your name - ***** ?

Do you believe in g_d ?

Do you love g_d ?

 

And then I awoke back in my rented physical carriage. For months I suffered a great depression. Everything back on Earth was a drab black and white compared to the aliveness of the colors I had experienced when I returned Home (Home is infinite, just prepare yourselves for its breathtaking beauty - and prepare to be shocked, in a nice way).

 

Please don't fear transition. I'm not using the word death from this point onwards as its meaning(whichever one you choose) is incorrect. I am using the term transition. For we are merely shedding the physical layer, as a snake sheds its skin; their is a clue in their - why do you think 'they' demonize the snake !

 

At this time I had an immense dislike of orthodox religion and gave my religious education teacher a really hard time at school. Often being sent out of the classroom. For me Bill Shankly was g_d(Liverpool FC Manager - legend), and Liverpool FC were my religion. The 11 players and 1 substitute were the 12 disciples - hey that makes Shanks Jesus ! Spooky !

 

I answered yes to each question. I don't use the word g_d and when I do I write it as I have here in this post. I prefer the term Source, and occasionally Beloved (Sufi influence).

 

As I grew older and studied NDE I learnt more about my own NDE - and continue to learn.

 

Blessings All.

 

Namaste,

 

gentlewind