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Great Spiritual, Physical & Mental Benefits From Semen Retention (Celibacy) And Mental Emptiness! - My Experience And Thoughts

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Okay then it makes alot more sense, I would imagine trying celibacy without any practice would be quite impossible :P

 

Awesome! I already have a practice then :P I was actually secretly hoping for this while reading Safi's first post :)

 

Wow, I am definitely going to try this! :P

 

Sinan if nothing is needed, then why do you practice? :P

 

After quitting all of my addictions, I don't see semen retention as extreme :P Infact, I view it as an interesting idea :P

 

as of two days ago i dont really

 

all Im saying is there is great suffering IN semen retention...constant failure, suffering, beating oneself up, for what. to become perfect, enlightened, its there now.

 

Yeh it has "use" Im sure, but there is a downside too. Yin and yang

 

Furthermore certain parts of my body have healed when Ive gone with the flow and ejaculated.

 

Yin and Yang...I went wild on not doing, then I see this thread abotu semen retention...have to go to the other extreme.

 

Furthermore to people like me who go on cycles of fasting for a few days retaining for 2-3 weeks then going crazy with porn and repeating, this thread does nothing but piss them off and make them jealous..see here is a downside to this thread, and a downside to what im saying may deter people.

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Thanks a lot for sharing that video, digitalyogi. I always wished to know what ojas really was. That man said that ojas is the cerebrospinal fluid. I don't know if it's true or not but it certainly makes a lot of sense.

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Good luck with your practice Raimonio! If you have managed to quit all of your addictions then you certainly should be able to succeed with celibacy. Your enthusiasm reminds me of myself when I started out with this practice.

 

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This man helped me a lot with my practice:

 

http://www.allexperts.com/ep/3564-116511/Celibacy-Abstinence/Dhananjay.htm

 

You'll find a lot of useful information over there, and you can ask him questions yourself about brahmacharya.

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I usually ejaculate daily but I've been stepping it up recently and ejaculating multiple times a day the last few days. And yes I actually do notice a difference now. The heat in my body is less than before, and my ability to generate heat is decreased. I can still generate some heat but it's much less. Also I have been sleeping better at night.

 

 

Not exactly, I want to be free of desires.

 

Whoever said this needs needs to be careful what they wish for. I can say from personal experience that lack of desire totally sucks. It makes me feel meaningless and dead on the inside. What do you want to do once you've achieved your desire of having no desire? Does sitting on your ass with no motivation sound enticing?

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I can say from personal experience that ejaculating through masturbation makes me feel dead inside and outside... I have no energy to do anything. Even if I do have motivation to do something, I don't have the energy to do it. So the only option is to sit on my ass without any energy.

 

I have been sleeping better at night since I have stopped ejaculating. I used to have to pass out before because of lack of energy... Now I go to sleep when I need to go to sleep... not because I just ejaculated a few times and I have to pass out to recover my body. My back doesn't hurt anymore.

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Whoever said this needs needs to be careful what they wish for. I can say from personal experience that lack of desire totally sucks. It makes me feel meaningless and dead on the inside. What do you want to do once you've achieved your desire of having no desire? Does sitting on your ass with no motivation sound enticing?

 

Hi Mike,

 

The desire to do something comes not from yourself but from your "reward circuitry". In our physical system we have something called dopamine... when you do something enjoyable your dopamine gets a temporary surge. Sex causes a large dopamine hit, that's why it's so enjoyable. The problem is, when you abuse the "reward circuitry" (by overeating, excessive sex, drugs), your dopamine receptors will start to lose their sensitivity. This causes people to want more of the same thing, or to seek something which will produce a larger dopamine hit.

 

We see this all the time... most smokers will start to get less plessure from each cigarette and so they will smoke more cigarettes. Masturbators will start getting less plessure from each masturbation and so they will start to masturbate more or watch more "exciting" material. So on and so forth. Basically this happens because the dopamine receptors will start losing their sensitivity. Now if you do the opposite, and adopt an ascetic lifestyle, your dopamine receptors should start to regain their sensitivity and you will start to feel pleasure from every little thing. Even when sitting down and doing nothing you will feel some pleasure!

 

Here's a video that explains this in further details:

 

 

The video has more parts which you should be able to find easily.

 

 

The reason you feel meaningless and dead on the inside is because your energy is depleted. Trust me I know that feeling. I have felt that way almost all of my life until I started quitting my addictions, including sexual addiction of course.

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This is quite a good video on the notion of practices getting in the way:

 

 

It goes well with the bramacharya video posted earlier.

 

Peace

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Thanks a lot for sharing that video, digitalyogi. I always wished to know what ojas really was. That man said that ojas is the cerebrospinal fluid. I don't know if it's true or not but it certainly makes a lot of sense.

 

I have read (and i forget where, sorry) that semen and cerebro-spinal fluid are chemically identical except for the sperm.

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Now if you do the opposite, and adopt an ascetic lifestyle, your dopamine receptors should start to regain their sensitivity and you will start to feel pleasure from every little thing. Even when sitting down and doing nothing you will feel some pleasure!

 

The reason you feel meaningless and dead on the inside is because your energy is depleted. Trust me I know that feeling. I have felt that way almost all of my life until I started quitting my addictions, including sexual addiction of course.

IME, the more Chi that you have the happier and more blissful and full filing life will be. Good post safi.

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I have read (and i forget where, sorry) that semen and cerebro-spinal fluid are chemically identical except for the sperm.

 

I too have read that somewhere, and like you, I forgot where as well. I remember doing a bit of research on the cerebrospinal fluid because I thought it was related to kundalini and it very well could be. Even though kundalini is a spiritual process, when "rising", the physical body will probably experience some changes as well.

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on the topic of desirelessness, its often brought up in buddhist context because shakyamuni taught that attachment, aversion, and ignorance are the root of suffering, and many people conflate attachment with desire. But different schools of buddhism address it differently; sutra schools (hinayana & mahayana) saying to quell all desires and attain desirelessness, tantra schools (vajrayana) teaches to transform desires into wisdoms, and dzogchen (which isn't buddhism per se but does not conflict with it and has been incorporated into tibetan buddhism) teaches that desire is natural but grasping or clinging is contrived, so one should have "attachment without clinging" as lopon malcolm translates it.

 

desirelessness can lead to ultimate happiness (this is after all the point of buddhism, and shakyamuni described liberation from passions as the highest happiness possible) but its a very hard path to walk because desire is so natural and one can end up frustrating themselves and pursuing unrealistic goals. In the end, if you try not to eat for a couple months, you will find yourself craving food, no matter how skillful a faster you are, and is that desire? if you go without water for 3 days you will be thirsty.. is that desire for water?

 

if you sublimate your energies and practice the yogas of return and rejeuvination, seeking to transcend sexual desire can be beneficial, but i personally am of the opinion that one can have their cake and eat it too, and that that approach leads to more robust cultivation and energetic vigor than seeking to transcend carnal desires.

 

however i am not writing to impose my personal point of view on this thread or the OP, just to let anyone interested know where i am coming from. i wish the best of fortune and success to anyone who wishes to transcend desires, and i remain convinced that it is a valid path to liberation. Its good to remember that its one of many, but the OP seems to have a good perspective about things :)

 

blessings

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Great post Konchog Uma.

 

if you sublimate your energies and practice the yogas of return and rejeuvination, seeking to transcend sexual desire can be beneficial, but i personally am of the opinion that one can have their cake and eat it too, and that that approach leads to more robust cultivation and energetic vigor than seeking to transcend carnal desires.

 

It might be possible if one does things without developing attachment for them, but I personally I think it is much more difficult to engage in pleasureable actions without getting attached than to give them up completely. Personally I view the former as torture. The latter is torture as well but only until the body forgets about them. At least that's the way it is for me.

 

I think the temperament of the individual is very important here.

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Furthermore to people like me who go on cycles of fasting for a few days retaining for 2-3 weeks then going crazy with porn and repeating, this thread does nothing but piss them off and make them jealous..see here is a downside to this thread, and a downside to what im saying may deter people.

 

There's no need to be jealous. I created this thread to help people not to mock them. It should also motivate them, just like other articles motivated me. I probably wouldn't have succeeded if it wasn't for them.

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safi, ones temperament and situation definitely should be accounted for.. i guess thats why there are lots of paths :)

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I just dont agree with the view that celibacy is 100% good or that it is impure to have sexual thoughts, or that if you cant retain that much you must have such terrible karma etc...imo this is just a justification of what one can accomplish in order to feel proud about oneself.

 

There are certain things I do, I can say oh this means Im better than others, whereas someone else will say it means absolutely nothing.

 

Furthermore lets just be 100% honest, a lot of people on this celibacy thing are merely doing it because they cant have sex, and wan to somehow make up for their lost pride, It would be a shame to miss out on being a human being.

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"celibacy without technique is insane" -deng ming dao from chronicles of tao

 

on a relative level i mostly agree.. but from an absolute perspective, i think your last statement sounds judgmental sin, even if it is correct about a couple ppl. Lots of people have a hard time having sex.. thats their karma, and whether they want it or not, or practice retention or not, or have wounded pride or not, is their karma too. I hear what youre saying, but i challenge you to humor the point of view that there is no real different between being well sexed and being celibate, whether one practices dual retention or not. One can achieve fulfillment and experience their humanness in any case.. (fulfillment in the spiritual or at least energetic sense).

 

or maybe youre right lol but thats just how it seems to me, at this moment in time

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"celibacy without technique is insane" -deng ming dao from chronicles of tao

 

on a relative level i mostly agree.. but from an absolute perspective, i think your last statement sounds judgmental sin, even if it is correct about a couple ppl. Lots of people have a hard time having sex.. thats their karma, and whether they want it or not, or practice retention or not, or have wounded pride or not, is their karma too. I hear what youre saying, but i challenge you to humor the point of view that there is no real different between being well sexed and being celibate, whether one practices dual retention or not. One can achieve fulfillment and experience their humanness in any case.. (fulfillment in the spiritual or at least energetic sense).

 

or maybe youre right lol but thats just how it seems to me, at this moment in time

 

If it makes any difference i have a hard time having sex- mostly due to lack of money=isolation and kundalini induced libido issues which have probably gone by now.

 

I agree all things have some truth to it...so yeh I agree...I think I am just the yang in this thread which would have likely been done by someone else.

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"celibacy without technique is insane" -deng ming dao from chronicles of tao

 

on a relative level i mostly agree.. but from an absolute perspective, i think your last statement sounds judgmental sin, even if it is correct about a couple ppl. Lots of people have a hard time having sex.. thats their karma, and whether they want it or not, or practice retention or not, or have wounded pride or not, is their karma too. I hear what youre saying, but i challenge you to humor the point of view that there is no real different between being well sexed and being celibate, whether one practices dual retention or not. One can achieve fulfillment and experience their humanness in any case.. (fulfillment in the spiritual or at least energetic sense).

 

or maybe youre right lol but thats just how it seems to me, at this moment in time

Yep, I can see that perhaps it is just as natural to be "celibate"...actually i am struggling with this idea but yeh..

 

edit: part of nature wanting deep peace...so yeh natural to desire celibacy...

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It's all individual, for some celibacy isn't necessary for others it is, for some it is necessary at certain points in their lives but not at other points. So before you know if it is good for you you have to get to know yourself first.

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Here's a video that explains this in further details:

 

thx for that link. I believe that video makes some good points in general (hell, addiction to anything whatsoever is associated with similar behaviors). I don't really think it applies to me in my case though, I have that strange and dreaded thing called kundalini syndrome and it messes me up in all sorts of weird and idiosyncratic ways. The biggest libido killer for me is not porn (which increases my libido), it's stressing my back. When I bend too much, or twist, or carry heavy loads, my happiness and my ability to feel good goes way down, and I get insomnia. But if I rest for a few days then I feel much better.

 

 

Now if you do the opposite, and adopt an ascetic lifestyle, your dopamine receptors should start to regain their sensitivity and you will start to feel pleasure from every little thing

You don't necessarily have to an ascetic lifestyle. Depriving yourself of pleasure, then indulging, then depriving again, that's not the way to go. I think the best way to feel good and avoid burnout is to derive pleasure from a variety of activities. Yes I do mindless things like playing Grand theft Auto and watching vids on collegehumor.com, but I also like to read serious books and get physical exercise.

 

PS: I know that ppl like variety in women, but Hugh grant is still a dumbass. The drugs must have affected his judgement.

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Furthermore lets just be 100% honest, a lot of people on this celibacy thing are merely doing it because they cant have sex, and wan to somehow make up for their lost pride, It would be a shame to miss out on being a human being.

 

Yeah dude I agree 100%. I think that, especially when you're young, you should live to the fullest. Meet cool people, have fun, do stupid, risky things, and screw as many girls as possible. Somber, serious, and solemn things are for old ppl, when they can't do the cool stuff anymore. Which is why I'm so pissed that I got that kundalini syndrome at my age; if I was destined to get it anyway then it should be decades later when I'm retired, not when I'm having a good time :( :( :(

 

 

100th post I never thought I'd go up that high in only 8 months.

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It is not about age but awareness of a certain person.

But it may be risky to go for the LONG celibacy at the age of 18-28. It can weaken man"s sexual ability. If organ is not used it can cause it's atrophy

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