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Semen Retention: 100 Days and My Experiences

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In the Kunlun system retention isn't as big an issue. I remember the two times it was brought up in seminars. The first Max said it's only an issue if you don't get transmission. And the second a young guy brought it up and everyone sort of laughed as they already knew having low energy wasn't a problem in the Kunlun system.

 

I experienced it when after meeting Max I couldn't sleep for several weeks. I didn't have a girlfriend at the time and would masterbate to try to bring down my energy level. Nope..didn't work :lol:

 

That said, perhaps it might be an issue. I find my sexual desire wanes in the winter and then goes up naturally in the spring and summer. So I basically try to follow nature and ejaculate less in the winter time.

 

Long term retention("100 days") would be useful if you need to build back your jing.

 

Didn't sleep for around a month? That's really wild, how much practice were you doing? What about daily life - working as usual?

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Didn't sleep for around a month? That's really wild, how much practice were you doing? What about daily life - working as usual?

 

No practice. Actually, I couldn't practice.

 

That's how I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore after meeting Max. A couple times I would try to do zhan zhuang or yigong. Forget it, I needed to just chill.

 

I was finishing up my business degree at the time.

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Early in the thread I was three days, I made it to ten a week later. I blame the Wife and the few drinks we had the other night; so day one began this very day...

 

This is difficult!

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exercise definatly is a great way to burn off that excess energy. Also I got back into skateboarding and man I love that shit :D. Late night longboarding is also good for the mind body and SOUL, everyone should do it atleast once. Probably my one of my favourite things in life :D

 

Got my self one of these little old school bastards for cruising, SOOOOOOOOOOO much fun! :D :D :D :D :D. You say what is the point of me posting this? SKATE AWAY FROM DESIRE, SKATE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahha

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRKvJvF3IGs&feature=relmfu

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exercise definatly is a great way to burn off that excess energy. Also I got back into skateboarding and man I love that shit :D. Late night longboarding is also good for the mind body and SOUL, everyone should do it atleast once. Probably my one of my favourite things in life :D

 

Got my self one of these little old school bastards for cruising, SOOOOOOOOOOO much fun! :D :D :D :D :D. You say what is the point of me posting this? SKATE AWAY FROM DESIRE, SKATE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahha

its like when the swarm of bees chased ya in skate or die :lol:

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you are of great character

 

how do you manage not having nocturnal emissions?

 

 

I used to have alot of nocturnal emissions...

 

I finally came to the conclusion that the master key for controling, together with will power, is diet.

 

I changed my diet to a very ioguic one... 4 meals a day.. that's 9.00 = breakfast, 12.30 = lunch, 3.30 = afternoon milk (maybe a 10g tablet of 85% cocoa chocolate, and at around 19.00 "night snack", natural flakes and dried fruits....

 

The main thing I think that is helping is the extremely reduced salt qualtity in my food (I cook it without salt and add it on the plate only), not eating much (1/2 stomach of food, 1/4 liguid & 1/4 empty). avoideating anything sugarry at night not to agitate my sleep... and do not take in too much water late at night because of bladder, if it stiffens, it tends to compress the prostate and.. boom... having a nice stool movement is good also...

 

let me see... is is said (Swami Sivananda), that most of the sexual dreams occur in the period of two hours before the sun rises.. so te ioguin wakes up before that...

 

There is a practice called amaroli.. which consists of drinks the middle portion of you 1st urine of the day... that kind of alters some hormonal fluids in you body, and helps to control exagerated sexual impulses (Swami Satyananda - Hatha Yoga Pradiptika).

 

It is good to remind ourselves, that in buddhism, a spiritual aspirant stays years in the mahayana sect which is basically worship of God, before starting to practice the tanctric techniques... that is because, before you start your tantric practice, it is necessary that all your desires are solidly "channelized towards God" so that when you are making love you actually think of God during it.. and how beautiful all everything is.. and don't think simply in possessing the girl and flesh from this world... this rule is especifically for spiritual purposes and not only health not only health...

 

Cheers

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hmm this puts some clarity on things, a good perspective for me.

 

 

 

Usually i am once a week, more at choice than by failure, but at the same time, i am working to go longer.

This isnt as hard as i make it to be, one is the mental clarity, i have it, but often choose not to apply it.

Emotional stability comes and goes, depending on how willing i am to maintain a clear head...

 

The overall result is a half-assed attempt to go for even one month.

 

 

 

 

 

But that is the present goal, a month. i should be satisfied enough with that, 100 days seems a long ways off... :lol:

 

 

 

Fantasies usually dont hit me till the middle of the second week... im sure that will be pushed farther back if i were more focused on preserving mental clarity...?

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This is a very helpful thread. I am just discovering the effects of fluid retention. I think this is the longest I have ever gone (2 weeks), and I am starting to feel the effects in my meditation practice. I have done a bit of research, and it seems the Manak Chias techniques are pretty widely used to do this safely.

 

I'm 26, been single for a while, no sexy time for over a year (boo hoo). I am doing power yoga 5 times a week, as well as kundalini pranayama daily, but I am still feeling that my energy is not moving enough from the lower centers. I keep reading about these techniques "cool draw" "testicular breathing" and such but I think I need to get a book to further understand. Is Chias work the definitive, or is there anything else out there I should know of?

 

As a side note, I am beginning to feel agitated and discomfort more often during the day. It seems to calm down a lot during meditation. :(

 

I do feel this is right for me at this time.

 

Some thoughts. The female sexual cycle is a month, so based on symbiotic evolution, the male cycle of storage and release would be a month as well. I am going to try it out once I feel I am opened and cleared up a bit more. Just an idea.

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Some thoughts. The female sexual cycle is a month, so based on symbiotic evolution, the male cycle of storage and release would be a month as well. I am going to try it out once I feel I am opened and cleared up a bit more. Just an idea.

 

thats a cool idea, i like the idea of fluids being governed by lunar cycles

 

neat

 

good luck with your retention! :)

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There is a practice called amaroli.. which consists of drinks the middle portion of you 1st urine of the day... that kind of alters some hormonal fluids in you body, and helps to control exagerated sexual impulses (Swami Satyananda - Hatha Yoga Pradiptika).

 

Cheers

 

I'm a believer. :), the person who has the self discipline to drink there own urine would definitely have an edge in controlling sexual responses.

 

 

I've also read about hermit taoists who use that technique to stay in 'holy' caves for long periods. Michael Winn wrote about using it on his Chinese trips.

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Even though I think that both of this has been mentioned already, I still wanted to point out what seems to make a difference for me when it comes to semen retention:

 

1) Don't sleep with too much or too thick blankets covering you. Otherwise you might get too how while sleeping without even noticing and this can screw things up. I had to witness the ill effects of this myself several times lately. :(

 

2) What seems to be making by far the greatest difference to me, is doing the Microcosmis Orbit meditation. I use the Spring Forest Qigong CD for that, but I would guess that any kind of MCO practice would do the trick. For the last half year or so, I've probably averaged around 50 days or more (never counted the days) and I am quite sure that the MCO is the main reason I was able to do that. It really leaves you feeling very balanced, especially when it comes to sexual urges. :)

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2) What seems to be making by far the greatest difference to me, is doing the Microcosmis Orbit meditation. I use the Spring Forest Qigong CD for that, but I would guess that any kind of MCO practice would do the trick. For the last half year or so, I've probably averaged around 50 days or more (never counted the days) and I am quite sure that the MCO is the main reason I was able to do that. It really leaves you feeling very balanced, especially when it comes to sexual urges. :)

 

Indeed, i think certain meditations can be very helpful. Meditating on the lower dantien is part of my nei-gong practice (Stillness-Movement) and i feel that it has been very help-full. Supposedly focusing on the LDT when aroused brings the energy back to one's center and makes retention more manageable.

 

I'd bet circulating it through the orbits has a similar managing effect as i think anamatva mentioned before.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

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2) What seems to be making by far the greatest difference to me, is doing the Microcosmis Orbit meditation. I use the Spring Forest Qigong ..

Every time I've seen Spring Forest mentioned it's been very positively. For all the time I've been here, and for how rowdy it often gets, never seen anyone mention any problems w/ it what-so-ever. Impressive.

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Indeed, i think certain meditations can be very helpful. Meditating on the lower dantien is part of my nei-gong practice (Stillness-Movement) and i feel that it has been very help-full. Supposedly focusing on the LDT when aroused brings the energy back to one's center and makes retention more manageable.

 

I'd bet circulating it through the orbits has a similar managing effect as i think anamatva mentioned before.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

 

yeah i read (i think in Damo Mitchell's book) that circulating the MCO was considered a technique to sublimate jing to qi! Thats a lot less mystical than a lot of more complicated techniques out there. I like that.

 

The MCO helps with my retention too.. today is day 55 for me, and i've been having crazy surges of energy! Pushing my envelope is turning out to be rather challenging! Its not made any easier by the fact that i keep having really awesome sex... Yikes!! My girlfriend says i am never going to make it 100 days... hahaha she might be right, i thought i was going to explode this morning. Then i sat for an hour and now its fine, i just feel really alive and energized. hahahaha 45 more days to go!

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AAAAA i lost it. So today is day 1 again. aaaahhhh i feel so different without all that energy.

 

My girlfriend had a completely explosive awesome orgasm last night, way way over the top ("uh i think the right side of my face is numb") and the force of it made me ejaculate. DOH. 58 days! Thats actually a record for me, by 2 days. I had hoped to go longer, but was having serious doubts about making it 100 days this time around :D

 

As i approached my personal wall (about 50 days) i was really pushing through obstructions, and i felt like i didn't even have to practice any alchemical meditations in order to strengthen my consciousness and spirit, it was just happening naturally! I am referring to jing/qi/shen refinement... I am really curious as to whether those feelings carry over into the beginning phases of this next time, like in a week or two, or whether that is more a result of pushing my envelope, and won't kick in again for another 50 days or so. I FEEL like i opened some channels and it might happen automatically from now on, but i also feel like i want to believe that so i am going to just see what the next few weeks hold.

 

AAAAA at least my lady love didn't have a stroke :lol::wub:

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Hey anamatva.

 

It sounds like you would benefit from learning a method that utilizes ejaculation. I know Stillness-Movement has one. Does anyone know of any others?

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Hey anamatva.

 

It sounds like you would benefit from learning a method that utilizes ejaculation. I know Stillness-Movement has one. Does anyone know of any others?

 

Sounds interesting! Maybe you or someone else can say more about such methods. I wonder how ejaculation is utilized? hmmm

 

I am still going to go long periods in between ejaculations cause i love the energies it builds, but since i will most certainly ejaculate sometimes, it would be nice to know more about how to use it for progress.

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This has been a thoroughly eye opening experience, being more conscious of the ingredients of failure and success...

 

 

Yesterday was the end of a short lived attempt, but it was more of..... an experiment, i think.

 

 

Today is day one. Im going to play with this more seriously now. My mind is clear and i am optimistic that my mind will remain focused on my goals enough to withstand a whole month. :D

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I made it 16 days, which I think is a good start for me. I am working up to a long stretch, as I learn to slowly and carefully redirect my energy. I had been doing Sat Kriya to help move energy before going to sleep, but I found myself constantly waking up aroused and needing to do deep breathing to calm the fire. It actually seemed to become easier as time went on, but the discomfort in my genitals increased to the point where I felt it was healthier to release.

 

I am going to learn the MCO this week. I am not really feeling the Kuldalini practice that I have recently started. I love doing asanas, but I am just not connecting with the kriyas of Kundalini. I know, wrong forum.

 

I wonder if the body automatically slows fluid production after a while.

 

anamatva, how much of a crash did you experience after your 58 days? How does it effect your concentration? I have to say, dual cultivation sounds like a lot more fun! I can say, that sex will never be the same for me after this year of abstinence and now committing to understand my sexuality and how it can enhance my spiritual practice.

 

So for those of you who are able to move the energy up and down the orbit, is it a fast movement, or a slow movement? At times I feel a surge, other times it feels like there is a hot lump that I can move, but usually gets stuck somewhere. My Yoga practice can't hurt, but I still feel like I need to focus on my hips to get the energy up and into places where I can use it.

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anamatva, how much of a crash did you experience after your 58 days? How does it effect your concentration? I have to say, dual cultivation sounds like a lot more fun! I can say, that sex will never be the same for me after this year of abstinence and now committing to understand my sexuality and how it can enhance my spiritual practice.

 

 

hehehhe i crashed. i was yawning this morning til lunchtime, and i slept in both days too. but it'll be back in a week, and strong in 2 weeks.

 

I dont know which you mean, how does retention affect my concentration, or how does finally releasing it affect my concentration? ...so let me know and i will answer

 

sexual energy is so raw and fundamental, so core to the human experience. A person who has channeled their sexual energy into their energy work or spiritual practice and a person who hasn't are like day and night. :) good luck with your practice!

 

btw i just took my first kundalini yoga class on sunday, and im not sure its what im looking for either. But then again, i did have major energy movements and it helped dispel some blockages, so i am going to stick with it for a while. Give it a fair chance... i like it, im just mildly sketched out about yogi bhajan, who doesn't seem to be a sikh or a hindu, and is teaching secret yogas to westerners.. ??? oh well it takes all kinds i guess. Seems new-agey. But maybe I should start a new thread to talk about it, and not derail this one. mmmm tomorrow... im tired

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It may looks irrelevant ,but after a pass through in this thread I can say that as for my experience is concerned that:

Do we retain our semen only as a bet for ourselves or as a part of a " transforming " procedure.

Body has been designed to reject or aboard " useless " material,and storing the sperm in our body for a long period starts playing tricks to the prostate.

The semen wants to go out the prostate commands :"- not now ,I am peeing not ejaculating,go back semen", and the all procurers makes the system crazy.

It may not a problem for a 20 or 30 years old man but at 40's or 50' s you may pay for it.

Without a doubt there are men like monks with a hermit life that they are capable of not ejaculating or have errections as a part of they separation from the " material " word ,but this is part of their monastic life and also they are tempted from the "demon" of " porneia", even in their status.

In a normal life with all the surroundings and the " musts " of our " modern" society, isn't this a little bit of sadism?

Neikung practice is designed to tranform the semen in energy but are we practicing correct or enough,p so in our body will never be an excess of semen that was to follow it's nature?

Tnx.

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I would say doing this without the guidance of a teacher is unwise.

 

If your serious about your spiritual cultivation, find a teacher and follow what they tell you.

 

People on Taobums(including myself) don't qualify as genuine spiritual teachers. Even if there are a couple advanced people sharing stuff here are they really teaching you stuff? In many cases it's best to just be silent.

 

If money is your issue, then look at getting a job and making money as part of your path. Work hard and when you can afford go see a genuine teacher.

 

More then a few good ones have already been mentioned on Tao Bums or perhaps you can just get lucky/have good karma to meet one.

 

Peace

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