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Semen Retention: 100 Days and My Experiences

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Lately i have been toying around with several mudras. Intuitively i feel that Prithvi mudra helps circulate and transmute sexual energy. On the other hand Kamajayi Mudra seems to completely cook sexual energy so it gets fully absorbed into higher states...this is probably preferable for ascetics whom want to go completely celibate. I've also noted this mudra (kamajayi) can be potentially un-grounding if not matched with proper intent...something to be aware of should you play with it.  

 

http://learningdays.tumblr.com/post/36128656173/kamajayi-mudra-mudra-for-transforming-excessive

 

http://www.completenaturecure.com/prithvi-mudra/ 

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Some further notes on my experience with Kamajayi Mudra. Ironically, at first i could not use this mudra...every time i would try to practice with it my intuition said i should not, so i resolved myself with Prithvi mudra for assisting in transmutation. Though, after doing some internal dissolving work surrounding obstacles relating to "passion" i found that the pathway was clear and i could start using Kamajayi.

 

Using this mudra now i can see why it can be difficult to work with....it transmutes very efficiently, more so than Prithvi. There is also an undoubtable cumulative effective of working with it. For the first few days i would sit with it for 5 or more minutes and find that much like a vacuum the denser energies in my microcosm would be absorbed upward, but after only a week of doing this 2-3 times a day i find i barely even need to use the mudra as the momentum of this absorptive pathway seems to be more open than ever and is on autopilot. 

 

This makes it easier to hold "higher states"....but i have no doubt this can be tremendously un-grounding for many individuals if your lacking in internal balance (keep working at it). These states of consciousness can be addictive. The sensation is something like the feeling of drifting effortlessly on clouds, yet being in complete clarity at all times. It's a bit trippy. Cheers.  ;)

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Lately i have been toying around with several mudras. Intuitively i feel that Prithvi mudra helps circulate and transmute sexual energy. On the other hand Kamajayi Mudra seems to completely cook sexual energy so it gets fully absorbed into higher states...this is probably preferable for ascetics whom want to go completely celibate. I've also noted this mudra (kamajayi) can be potentially un-grounding if not matched with proper intent...something to be aware of should you play with it.  

 

http://learningdays.tumblr.com/post/36128656173/kamajayi-mudra-mudra-for-transforming-excessive

 

http://www.completenaturecure.com/prithvi-mudra/ 

 

Oh man... Where has that been my whole life? Or at least the past few years...

 

Thanks for the links. That mudra is actually a lot more time-efficient in its effects than some of the things I had been using.

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Oh man... Where has that been my whole life? Or at least the past few years...

 

Thanks for the links. That mudra is actually a lot more time-efficient in its effects than some of the things I had been using.

 

Awesome.  :D

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Nope, I'm over it.

 

I conserved for 90 days and almost went insane. Stopped communicating with family. Was sleeping on a couch of a co-worker, and my only persuit in life was to wake up and meditate. In order for me to coninute I HAD to meditate. But the meditation created psychological spaces of isolation. 

 

Not for me; really didn't gain any benefits. And the energy only came with certain times of day. Other times I could be extremely lethargic and not even be able to clean the apartment. I'm kind of over reading these posts that glorify retention as some "dynamo" power of energy.

 

Also lost my ability to socialize, flirt, and lost my creative ability. Didn't make me a better musician or artist. It made everything in life dull; unless under certain circumstances or time of day I would be passing through some flowers then I would see the inner-beauty but other then that, I would say the 90 days and hundreds of hours of meditation didn't do much for me. 

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Some observations i've made in regards to searching out and communing with Dao Ladies. It's become apparent to me that for most people, when searching for a lover, that we are usually seduced by the Sacral and the Eyes (at-least for men) or another way of putting it is as Beauty and Sexual desire.

 

A deeper level down is being attracted to partners via the energy they give off....certain types of energy resonate and stimulate us to a greater degree in our desire to connect (natural consorts). However, an even deeper level i've found is seeking and connecting via the True heart.  

 

As we dissolve through the obstacles of the senses and merge with our own True Heart then we become capable of merging with another in the same fashion. The beauty of the physical and the urges of the sacral is no longer as seductive. Getting to this point is a disastrously long and intense process of cultivation.....but i think it's important to know that it is a realistic goal that a person can strive towards....rather than an impossible ideal.

 

Personally i am not completely there yet (almost, still striving)....but i had an intense glimpse into this next level of Being and thought i'd share. Cheers.    :wub:

 

I used to think like you. I agree after about 30 days of retaining sometimes I would have moments with very beautiful girls in their early 20's that seemed to glow a deep instinctual reaction of sorts. But at that same token, from a realistic perspective; retention closed the door for many social reactions and made them few and far between. So perhaps this type of thinking can be coming from a deprived state of mind.

 

Maybe you are convincing yourself of these things, but human connection shouldn't be some "Disasterously long intense process." - and in-fact, my best connections and confidence with women are after I had wet-dreams or sexual activity. I don't recommend cultivation for people who are interested in perusing desire with women; it's kind of like telling a Teetoaller who has sworn off alcohol to occasional hold and smell a beer bottle. What is the point?

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I don't recommend cultivation for people who are interested in perusing desire with women; it's kind of like telling a Teetoaller who has sworn off alcohol to occasional hold and smell a beer bottle. What is the point?

True cultivation (practice beyond seated mediation), coupled with retention, is what allows the teetotaler to hold and smell the bottle of beer without partaking.

 

The point is moving beyond self and the mind stories that self brings to our existence (sense of self, closed doors, etc).

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An excellent movie and a glorious scene as it relates to the topic at hand. 

 

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A mudra that i just figured out, i am calling it "Intensity Mudra". It's meant to build up energetic intensity in the body so that you can more easily break through to higher states of consciousness and also to help refine the subtle energies of the body. Those whom are practicing conserving may find it of great value. 

 

The mudra is: form your hands into two relaxed fists and place the left fist above the right like your stacking one atop the other in front of the body. The knuckles should be more or less aligned.  Couldn't find references to this mudra anywhere but i'm sure there's some yogis in the world practicing it. 

 

Image of it below. I don't hold it up high when practicing, that's just so i could get a picture. I usually have it nice and relaxed by the stomach like most mudras. For those whom give it a whirl please let me know what your experiences with it are, cheers. 

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A mudra that i just figured out, i am calling it "Intensity Mudra". It's meant to build up energetic intensity in the body so that you can more easily break through to higher states of consciousness and also to help refine the subtle energies of the body. Those whom are practicing conserving may find it of great value. 

 

The mudra is: form your hands into two relaxed fists and place the left fist above the right like your stacking one atop the other in front of the body. The knuckles should be more or less aligned.  Couldn't find references to this mudra anywhere but i'm sure there's some yogis in the world practicing it. 

 

Image of it below. I don't hold it up high when practicing, that's just so i could get a picture. I usually have it nice and relaxed by the stomach like most mudras. For those whom give it a whirl please let me know what your experiences with it are, cheers. 

 

 

Some notes on my experiences with the intensity mudra: don't overuse it, i did so and found that the detox overwhelmingly intense. All kinds of emotions that i wasn't prepared to handle swam to the surface and besieged me. When you body says stop listen otherwise you might find yourself crying on the floor for no reason. 

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Much love, my friend. :wub:

 

 

I have to say, I have never understood the "retention path" and still do not, however, I grown respect it.

 

There comes a time in a person's life that they realize that they are more than what the desires of the body are and I know that sticking with that for as long as you feel sane...

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Much love, my friend. :wub:

 

 

I have to say, I have never understood the "retention path" and still do not, however, I grown respect it.

 

There comes a time in a person's life that they realize that they are more than what the desires of the body are and I know that sticking with that for as long as you feel sane...

 

It's just a different density/quality of energy you can work with. It's there in everyone, people focus on it to varying degrees depending on there elemental composition, nature...etc. 

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On 5/14/2017 at 5:43 AM, Kar3n said:

Much love, my friend. :wub:

 

 

I have to say, I have never understood the "retention path" and still do not, however, I grown respect it.

 

There comes a time in a person's life that they realize that they are more than what the desires of the body are and I know that sticking with that for as long as you feel sane...

 

I respect the path too. 

Someone said it helps us discover our fall from grace. 

The only problem is that we live in an economic world that has been dependent on each other for thousands of years. When we begin the retention process we are going backwards and less dependent on society. 

For me, I became extremely withdrawn from society. Sure I felt powerful but eventually got laid off. - HA. At my last couple of jobs, I was laid off; I was doing three times the strenuous labor as other workers without a complaint; but the inner fire and rage made me that way from the retention. 

Eventually I just pissed everyone and got fired. I didn't last long. My point is, the regular sexual cycle probably would have kept me calm and respectful and more joyous and fun to be around. Only few people coudl get through my barriers once I pass a ertain point. Usually happens around day 14 of retention.

 

If you google "Nofap forever flatline" that usually sums up the experience. Sure I like to feel strong and powerful; but whats the point when you end up alone, and lonely, can't hold down a job, and intimidate people that interview you? The only times I was able to land a job was after I had a release unfortunately. I'm so over the point of sex and physical lust I don't even crave it; but it seems a necessary evil to keep my inner fire and rage at bay.

Besides I'm not even monetarily or trained / equipped to live in the wilderness and away from society even if I wanted to.

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It is very true that it helps to rediscover the fall from grace.

The current culture around sexuality is rather appalling. People go into the act without awareness of what it actually does on the levels that matter. There is the local physiological level---the production of the material of sex is in fact derived from every organ in the body; there is an entire cycle by which every organ in the body donates some of its jing so that the gametes have the information required to reconstruct a complete body. Jing is an energy that allows the physical body to maintain its form. When jing is low, form is not maintained and it decays. This is the foundational reason for aging and death. It should not be removed from the body unless the purpose is to have a child.

But, even beyond this, there is a complex network of energy that is involved in the conception of a child. It is not just bringing in information for maintaining a body; there is also a bringing in of information in the environment so that the baby can develop and be born in an informational matrix that will allow it to integrate with its environment. To a point, this is something that I experienced when I first started practicing, energy from at least a square mile of the people engaged in the act of sex will be drawn into the act. It is never just between two people. And when that small mindset shapes how people act, it is bad. It creates a confused energy and it puts the whole energetic environment in turmoil because the energy is getting pulled towards a goal (procreation) that will not held by the participants.

So, very truly, that is the fall from grace. When people stop having an awareness of wider reality and carve out local excuses and "apparent" safe-havens for improper actions. The act of sex is an act of procreation; if there is not a mind to the people who are in the area (who, energetically and proximally are like tribes-people and will be drawn-in whether they want to be or not) and the spirits that could receive a body from the act, then it should not be done. Grace is lost when people forget how they are connected to everything around them--things seen and unseen.

My moralizing aside, there shouldn't be rage problems. If you are moving and refining the energy with a qigong practice, things should resolve and you should find a deep peace. If you are interested, I could look it up. There was a 5-element practice that would cycle the energy through the zang-fu organs. It involved consciously feeling emotions like happiness (liver), peace (kidneys), and what-not to move and balance the energy.

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The difficulties of anger and rage have been talked about quite a bit in this thread, you may wish to spool through. 

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On 5/2/2017 at 7:04 PM, shazlor said:

Here is a blog post which is both informative and humorous:

 

"Bardon and Masturbation

I just received a message asking a few questions about masturbation. Because I feel like others could benefit from my answers, I'm typing my response here as this blog post. Note that I am speaking of this subject from the perspective of a Hermetic magician.

 

First of all, if masturbation is "bad," it is not because some almighty deity proclaimed that this is so. It's because it is potentially dangerous. In Step 6 of IIH, Bardon explains that when one ejaculates while looking at a pornographic image, as a result of the energy released by the ejaculation and the concentration on the image, a construct is created on the inner planes in the shape of that image. A particularly strong construct of this type will become sentient. When this happens, it becomes a type of artificial spirit Bardon calls a "phantom" and other systems call "larvae." A phantom does not have to be built all at once. It can be formed over time as a result of the repeated release of energy during ejaculation.

 

The thing with phantoms is that they will seek self preservation. To do this, they will attatch themselves to their creator and vampirize him. They will dwell within his aura, influencing his astral and mental bodies in an attempt to cause him to continue masturbating, thus feeding them. They will fill his mind with lustful thoughts and images. They may even influence his dreams and make them sexual in nature. Bardon points out that this is the origin of the concept of succubi.

 

As a result of this, he will begin to lose control of himself. In addition, he will feel tired from the energy drain. His nervous system will be strained from the presence of so many phantoms in his aura attached to his astral body and feeding on it.

 

All this happens even in the case of a normal person. For a person undergoing magical training, the phantoms are a great deal stronger because of the person's skill in visualization and energy manipulation. The more powerful of a magician you are, the stronger phantoms you create when you masturbate, which is why it is a good idea to eliminate an addiction to masturbation before you reach the level where you destroy yourself . Note also that in other systems of magic, ejaculation via masturbation is a tool intentionally used to create artificial spirits for the purpose of serving the magician, but these techniques are very carefully planned and designed so that the created entity is obedient to the magician. Methods of this sort are not included in the Bardon system, where instead, pore breathing is used as a much more precise and powerful method of accumulating the necessary energy for this task.

 

In any case, for a Bardonist working on Step 2, if one of the problems you must tackle during the self transformation process is an addiction to masturbation, I suggest you tackle it first. The reason is that in Step 2, you are already beginning plastic imagination training, which will greatly increase the strength of the phantoms you create.

 

Remember also that the phantoms that are attached to you will do their very best to prevent you from succeeding in this task. Changing any habit is a difficult task, but in this case, it is made harder by the presence of the phantoms actively opposing you. Therefore, if I had to give you one tip, it would be this.

 

Use the magic of water! Whenever you shower, turn the water as cold as you can and feel its magnetic power drawing away all phantom and swirling them down the drain. This will pull the weaker phantoms off of you and kill them. It will weaken the stronger phantoms by basically eroding them and drawing away some of their life force. Of course, this is just a method to make your task easier and does not fix the problem that led to the creation of the phantoms in the first place.You must still use your volition and autosuggestion to destroy the habit once and for all.

 

On the off chance that you have a friend who is a magician and possesses a magic sword, dagger, or trident, you could also have them stab the weapon around you to kill any phantoms in your aura it may pierce. A sufficiently advanced magician could see the phantoms clairvoyantly and target them with the weapon."

 

 

Very interesting article. Never thought about it in this context. Thanks for sharing Shazlor. 

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On 17/05/2017 at 3:14 PM, OldSaint said:

The difficulties of anger and rage have been talked about quite a bit in this thread, you may wish to spool through. 

 

I must have a look at this also when I sit down to read this thread. I remember reading bits and pieces of it in the past, and there's loads of fascinating information in here, IMO.

 

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Very interesting article. Never thought about it in this context. Thanks for sharing Shazlor. 

 

That's fascinating. I've only read the first couple of steps of his and had no idea he talked about such things later on.

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20 minutes ago, morning dew said:

 

I must have a look at this also when I sit down to read this thread. I remember reading bits and pieces of it in the past, and there's loads of fascinating information in here, IMO.

 

 

That's fascinating. I've only read the first couple of steps of his and had no idea he talked about such things later on.

 

There's a lot of stuff in this thread, still going deeper into the topic, understanding more and sharing my thoughts on the matter.

 

Bardon has some amazing stuff, but it's not suited to everyone. I think his path resonates stronger with people of a "windier" disposition. Though i've still personally benefited immensely from appropriating tech from his system. 

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26 minutes ago, OldSaint said:

 Though i've still personally benefited immensely from appropriating tech from his system. 

 

Yeah, I've known people who've taken bits and pieces from it and found it useful. The stumbling block for me with his book was the cold showers and brushing. I got the feeling a huge chunk of his system would revolve around open pore breathing, so I gave up on it.

 

The biggest takeaway I had from it was imprinting liquid, such as glasses of water that I drink throughout the day. I used to imprint them with the ankh symbol, although I've switched to the Uruz rune now. I must have a dig around in his book, and see if I can pinch some other techniques of use.

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The whole bit about a cold shower helping eliminate desire seems a bit off--because for males, cold showers increase libido...

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2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

The whole bit about a cold shower helping eliminate desire seems a bit off--because for males, cold showers increase libido...

No, we're talking about magick, not nofap science here.

 

The colder and more from nature and processed the water is the more charged and alive it is, and thus the more astral light and astral influence it has stored in it.

 

You're supposed to tap into the water, pay attention to it, as if speaking to it, or just speak to it, but with intention and belief and will. Ask it to cleanse you,feel it cleanse the energetic weight/crap on you, including any such phantmons. You don't have to see/sense anything. Just directing your attention on such said things, being clear in your mind that just in case they exist but not that anything is actually there without having proof of, will help to clease away. 

 

It's an astral thing. Strong concentration, and some repetition will slowly make it more solid, etheric like strong cleanse.

 

Water can be used for nourishing as well. Such as nourishing your connection to your astral/etheric bodies or your emotions and true desires so you may be clean of untrue selves and mental states/desires that are not you....like when normal people are being stupid.

 

 

I also know of a solar mantra from JOS website, although it's in sanskrit and has nothing to do with jos or their supposed creator of humanity that only their few high priests have contact with :|, it's SURYIAEI, su(as in sugar without the gar)-ree-yeah-ey(as in hey without h) [focus on vibrating the R like east europeans, or do it as you can]. It invokes golden solar energy, vibrate it 9 times the 10th time focus on it whatever such as cleansing your aura. This may help as well for those Really struggling with this habit.

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3 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

The whole bit about a cold shower helping eliminate desire seems a bit off--because for males, cold showers increase libido...

 

As Arramu already mentioned the article is talking about magick. You need to understand the Bardon system of Initiation into Hermetics to fully grasp the context of what the articles referring to. Link to the book, you might dig it. It's a very thorough system of magick and mysticism. 

 

http://themasonictrowel.com/ebooks/hermetic/Franz_Bardon_-_Initiation_Into_Hermetics.pdf

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Just now, morning dew said:

4. The Magic of Water

 

Water plays one of the most important parts, not only in daily life, being absolutely indispensable for drinking, preparing food, washing, producing steam in factories, etc., but also in our magic development; the water element may prove to be a great factor. As we have already stated in the theoretical par, the watery element rules magnetism or the attractive force, and it is just this property that we shall utilize in the development of our faculties. All the books dealing with the animal magnetism, emanation of od and so on are acquainted with the fact that water can be magnetized or od-ized. But it is far less known how to enlarge this quality or use it in a different way. Not only water but every kind of liquid has the special property of attracting, and according to the contraction, holding fast, no matter whether good or bad influences be concerned. Therefore we may consider the watery element, especially the material kind of it, as an accumulator. The colder water is, the greater its accumulative capacity. With its full specific weight, namely at 39° F (4° C) above zero, it is most responsive. This notion is not so decisive, for the difference of receptivity of water (or other liquids) up to 43° F (6° C) above zero is so insignificant and so faintly visible that only a thoroughly trained magician can recognize these differences. If by increase of heat, water grows lukewarm, its receptivity is rapidly diminishing. Between 7-99° F (36-37° C) it becomes neutral to magnetism. Attention! Here, our only concern is with the specific properties of the attractive power and its practical value with respect to magnetism which results from the interaction of the elements as an undeniable matter of fact.

 

The impregnation (through the akasa principle present in each substance and consequently in physical water too) with a desire can be operated in any object and at any temperature whatsoever. A piece of bread as well as a hot soup or a cup of coffee or tea might be loaded or charged magically. But this charge does not depend on the accumulative capacity of the water element, but takes place through the causal principle of the fifth power of the elements, and is brought about by the electromagnetic fluid of the elements concerned. It is important to pay attention to this difference to avoid errors. For instance, it is quite impossible to magnetize a dish of hot soup, because the accumulating power of the water element is balanced or increased by the expansion of the heat present in the water if it rises above 99° F (37° C). The soup, however, can be impregnated with the corresponding desire.

 

Now let us regard the magic of water from the practical side. Every time you are washing your hands, think intensely that by washing, not only do you wipe the dirt off your body, but also the uncleanliness from your soul. Think of failure, trouble, dissatisfaction, illness and the like being washed off and turned over to the water. If possible, wash yourself under the tap so that the dirty water can run off immediately, and at this moment think that your weaknesses are flowing off with the water. If you have nothing but a washbowl at your disposal, do not forget to throw away the used water immediately, so nobody else can contact it afterwards. You can also dip your hands into cold water for a little while, and concentrate on the magneto-astral attractive force drawing all weaknesses out of your body and your soul. Be firmly convinced that all failures are passing into the water. You will be surprised at the success of this exercise after a short time. This water also is to be thrown away at once. This exercise is extraordinarily effective if you can manage it in the summer while bating in a river, when the whole body (except for the head, of course) is beneath the water.

 

You can do this exercise the other way around also, by magnetizing the water you are going to use, or by impregnating it with your desire, remaining firmly convinced that through washing the power will pass into your body and the desire will be realized. He who has time to spare can combine both exercises by stripping off all evil in one water (say under the tap or in a separate basin), and then washing himself in another basin with the water impregnated with his desire. In this case, namely the first exercise, you have to use soap when washing off the evil. Female adepts have a third opportunity besides the two forementioned possibilities: they will concentrate their magnetism on the fact that the water makes the face and skin look much younger, more elastic and thus more attractive. It is therefore advisable not only to wash the face, but to dip the whole face into the water for some seconds. This procedure is to be repeated at least seven times in one turn. A bit of borax may be added to the water for this purpose.

 

http://www.hermetics.com/practice/#step1

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