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Semen Retention: 100 Days and My Experiences

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thanks and congratulations!

 

its been since late january for me, which puts me at about day 45. Not bad, but i never get to 100 days. Did you notice anything happen in the latter half of that period which didn't happen in the beginning? I usually make it to about 50 or 60 days at most and then my girlfriend gets the better of me... not sure why it happens that way. I'm curious about the significance of 100 days if anyone can comment on that

 

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Hi, I've only ever posted a few times here so you guys don't know me, but this post really piqued my interest...For a while now I've been reading of the benefits of conserving and transmuting sexual energy - In theory I can understand how one could potentially use and channel that force into non-sexual endeavours to great effect, but putting into practice, I've found, is a different thing altogether (which is pretty obvious now that I think about it...) I've found that when I try and go longer than 4 or 5 days (about a week is the longest I've gone) without ejaculating I find myself, like you mentioned in the original post, overcome with agitation and even anger. I'm in my early 20's and haven't had a lot of sex in my life (in fact it's been a looong time since I've had sex at all :closedeyes: ) and I've got a fairly high sex drive, as many young men do. I would like to experiment further with conservation, so as to (hopefully) enhance my life, gain more control over myself and better myself in general.

 

My question is: Can anybody here recommend a (safe!) way to simultaneously conserve my life force and gain more control over my mind at the same time? I've heard that certain practices can actually do more harm than good in this area, so I want to make sure I go about this properly. I have not yet achieved a great degree of spiritual awakening, largely because I haven't decided the path I would like to travel yet, and I would like to take the next step in self-development.

 

Thanks :)

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I really like this post and seeing some of the benefits mentioned. It is like a carrot on a stick for me.

 

Like some of the other guys, I'm young and the longest I've made it is 6 days. I'm a persistent little bastard, nonetheless :lol: .

 

I have noticed some benefits even at the end of the first couple days.

 

...Like energetically I feel something going on.

 

Excuse me if this sounds totally ridiculous, but the one thing I read in thisbook (How to deepen your spiritual realization) is that you should not try to do it with willpower alone. Like you should place the desire into emptiness, so that you are not simply suppressing it. Which leads to wild crazy sex karma in future lives.

 

He also said you should fast from sexual thoughts during the 100 days, but he also stated that there is almost no one that is totally successful with that. :)

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So do you still have sex or just stay completely celibate? I was thinking of trying it but have a girlfriend

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thanks and congratulations!

 

its been since late january for me, which puts me at about day 45. Not bad, but i never get to 100 days. Did you notice anything happen in the latter half of that period which didn't happen in the beginning? I usually make it to about 50 or 60 days at most and then my girlfriend gets the better of me... not sure why it happens that way. I'm curious about the significance of 100 days if anyone can comment on that

 

thanks

 

Lol, if i had a girlfriend i am not sure whether i would be able to do it either. :lol:

 

Besides what i have already written i can't say i experienced anything more special over halfway through.

 

Supposedly when you conserve Jing for 100 days it helps build a foundation for internal alchemy: Jing--> Chi--> Shen--> Void

 

I am not sure if this is really true given that i do not have that level of sensitivity to where i can feel that subtle a difference in my body, however i have read about it in a variety of books. What i have confirmed for myself is that conserving one's Jing really gives a big boost to ones practice.

 

 

Hi, I've only ever posted a few times here so you guys don't know me, but this post really piqued my interest...For a while now I've been reading of the benefits of conserving and transmuting sexual energy - In theory I can understand how one could potentially use and channel that force into non-sexual endeavours to great effect, but putting into practice, I've found, is a different thing altogether (which is pretty obvious now that I think about it...) I've found that when I try and go longer than 4 or 5 days (about a week is the longest I've gone) without ejaculating I find myself, like you mentioned in the original post, overcome with agitation and even anger. I'm in my early 20's and haven't had a lot of sex in my life (in fact it's been a looong time since I've had sex at all :closedeyes: ) and I've got a fairly high sex drive, as many young men do. I would like to experiment further with conservation, so as to (hopefully) enhance my life, gain more control over myself and better myself in general.

 

My question is: Can anybody here recommend a (safe!) way to simultaneously conserve my life force and gain more control over my mind at the same time? I've heard that certain practices can actually do more harm than good in this area, so I want to make sure I go about this properly. I have not yet achieved a great degree of spiritual awakening, largely because I haven't decided the path I would like to travel yet, and I would like to take the next step in self-development.

 

Thanks :)

 

Gaining control over your mind is more important. Your young and have plenty of essence to spare...just get a practice and dedicate yourself whole-heartedly to it and eventually when you have mastery over the monkey mind conserving will no longer be a struggle...but actually a very enjoyable past-time. ^_^

 

Semko has a great video on the topic. People release different amounts of energy per ejaculate. Experiment and see if you really feel the negative effects of releasing jing, some people lose very little energy when ejaculating...others a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excuse me if this sounds totally ridiculous, but the one thing I read in this book (How to deepen your spiritual realization) is that you should not try to do it with willpower alone. Like you should place the desire into emptiness, so that you are not simply suppressing it. Which leads to wild crazy sex karma in future lives.

 

He also said you should fast from sexual thoughts during the 100 days, but he also stated that there is almost no one that is totally successful with that. :)

 

I agree 100%.

 

Using willpower alone can result in struggling. Its a superior method to cut your sexual desires at there root before they manifest...the only way to do that is by controlling the mind and as you said "place the desire into emptiness" via fasting from sexual thoughts.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

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I've been saving my semen for the 134 days. Two more and I should have the cup filled the brim wacko.gifhuh.gif : laugh.gif

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So do you still have sex or just stay completely celibate? I was thinking of trying it but have a girlfriend

 

You can still have sex and conserve jing...no need to be celibate. However, i don't have girlfriend so i am technically celibate...but more by default than anything else.

 

According to Daoist philosophy practicing sex while conserving jing is a very healthy practice and complements ones cultivation more than being celibate...plus you don't have to deal with all the non-sense of wanting to screw constantly and not being able to. ^_^

 

IMO it just takes a lot more discipline and self-control than being purely celibate.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

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Gaining control over your mind is more important. Your young and have plenty of essence to spare...just get a practice and dedicate yourself whole-heartedly to it and eventually when you have mastery over the monkey mind conserving will no longer be a struggle...but actually a very enjoyable past-time. ^_^

 

Semko has a great video on the topic. People release different amounts of energy per ejaculate. Experiment and see if you really feel the negative effects of releasing jing, some people lose very little energy when ejaculating...others a lot.

 

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

 

Hi, thanks for replying. Forgive my ignorance on the topic (I should spend more time on here...) but, just quickly, what would be a good basic practice to begin with? Is simple self-observation enough to get the mind under control? Can you recommend anything else? I realise that everyone practices differently but I'm just looking for guidelines here. I don't call myself a Taoist (or anything right now) so can I still practice using Taoist methods? I have an interest in Western systems as well, like Kabbalah (to name one) Is it possible to practice both? I think that, somewhere inside me, I know it's possible but I haven't yet rid myself of the illusion of seperation...Kind of going off on a tangent here so I'll stop, sorry to hijack this thread :)

 

Thanks,

 

T.S

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I've been doing semen retention for the 134 days. Two more and I should have the cup filled the brim :wacko::huh: : :lol:

That is a crazy length of time. My longest was about 8 weeks. 6 1/2 weeks of Air Force basic training combined with about the first 10 days of tech school. It was an awesome sight to see after that. A mop and a bucket would of came in very handy to clean up the mess on the bathroom floor.

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you are of great character

 

how do you manage not having nocturnal emissions?

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Hi, thanks for replying. Forgive my ignorance on the topic (I should spend more time on here...) but, just quickly, what would be a good basic practice to begin with? Is simple self-observation enough to get the mind under control? Can you recommend anything else? I realise that everyone practices differently but I'm just looking for guidelines here. I don't call myself a Taoist (or anything right now) so can I still practice using Taoist methods? I have an interest in Western systems as well, like Kabbalah (to name one) Is it possible to practice both? I think that, somewhere inside me, I know it's possible but I haven't yet rid myself of the illusion of seperation...Kind of going off on a tangent here so I'll stop, sorry to hijack this thread :)

 

Thanks,

 

T.S

 

Emptiness meditation is the most basic form of practice and it will be useful no matter what tradition you go into.

 

As for what tradition you'd like to practice...its all just methodology designed to get you to the same place...just with different vehicles. Find something that resonates deeply with you.

 

you are of great character

 

how do you manage not having nocturnal emissions?

 

Fasting from sexual thoughts. If you fantasize during the day it will literally flow into the night.

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I've been doing semen retention for the 134 days. Two more and I should have the cup filled the brim :wacko::huh: : :lol:

 

Lol, congrats...make sure you don't turn into Thelma...all that heat and need and nowhere to put it. :lol:

 

 

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Lol, congrats...make sure you don't turn into Thelma...all that heat and need and nowhere to put it. :lol:

 

Actually I was kidding ;); I was working on the imagery of 'saving' semen by putting it in a cup after each squirt. A minor hilarity that didn't translate well.

 

I should have said '143 days of saving semen, 3 more and I'll have 16 ounces! ' :)

 

In reality I'm a poor role model rarely managing more then a month of retention. I find I overheat, get aggressive, etc., Still I've found it to be a worthwhile Taoist thing to have sex and not ejaculate.

 

Here's the best thing I've read on the bums about retention from Dao Zhen, he's not posting these days but I was always impressed by his wisdom.

 

 

By Dao Zhen

 

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.

It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.

It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.

Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.

With time, all will become secure quite naturally.

I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.

Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.

In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.

 

- Points to help prevent emission during sleep -

 

 

1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

 

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

 

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

 

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

 

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

 

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

 

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

 

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

 

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

 

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".

It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

 

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

 

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

 

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

 

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.

This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

 

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

 

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

 

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

 

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

 

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

 

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

 

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

 

This stage does not last forever.

 

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.

Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.

It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

 

It is an investment of time.

 

So it takes a strong and steady will power.

Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.

Persevere.

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Hi, thanks for replying. Forgive my ignorance on the topic (I should spend more time on here...) but, just quickly, what would be a good basic practice to begin with? Is simple self-observation enough to get the mind under control?

 

hey T.S

 

its usually really challenging at first and gets better as time goes on. I hardly have fantasies or any surges of energy that i really feel are going to overpower me (for lack of a better way to put it) like i used to. Emptiness meditation tends to help everything else you do in life, but i find that having a couple "bread-and-butter" techniques that you can go to to deal with excess sexual energy really helped me.

 

i have been taught that jing, qi, and shen, are really one thing, like steam, water, and ice are h2o. But there are gates of a sort in between the jing energy and the qi energy that storing semen will help break down. At that stage of progress, i find it is important to draw sexual energy up from the testicles into the dantian and let it become qi. I find that just intending this by "pulling" with the dantian with your intent and intentions, just drawing it up and letting the dantian refine it to qi (that happens naturally, its part of what the dantian does) and then circulating the small orbit (microcosmic orbit up the back and down the front) in any way that suits you (there are a couple ways to effectively circulate this energy, my favorite is just to turn the dantian like a waterwheel and let it move energy through the channels. on inbreath, let the dantian rotate forward 1/2 rotation, and on outbreath, 1/2. As you become proficient you will move energy throughout all your channels and reservoirs of your body, so this is my favorite technique). Keep drawing energy up throughout the day and circulating it and in time your body will open those channels and it will happen automatically whenever there is an excess of semen jing. When you become proficient you will not get blueballs (unless you achieve some hours of heroic effort and then with a little meditation it will go away :) )

 

Another good technique if you work with chakras is to draw sexual energy up to the throat chakra, which is the chakra of the void element or of space, akasha, aether. Just intend it from the testicles up to the throat, and intend that semen travels up the spine to the throat (semen and cerebrospinal fluid are almost chemically identical except the sperm according to Daniel Reid, author of Tao of Health Sex and Longevity, an awesome book to read on the subject) and from the throat, let it be transmuted to empty energy, or a vibration that is not so heavily lusty, and then from the throat, move it up to the brain, or ajna (third eye) in the center of the head. Again, this is just an intention which works on a subtle level, and better the more you practice it. In time you can actually move semen up the spinal column into the brain to nourish your brain with the vital jing essence.

 

with those two techniques and that book, you're off to a good start. I hope you can garner other techniques from other bums who have achieved success in their sexual gongfu. I agree with the advice to be patient and do not obsess about perfection, you will make mistakes, have sex dreams, get frustrated, etc. Just be kind to yourself, and remember to channel the energy upward into other activities, like whatever else you do, do it with the intention to channel your semen jing into it!

 

Blessings on your path

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IMO it just takes a lot more discipline and self-control than being purely celibate.

 

 

it does take more discipline and self-mastery, but on the other side of that coin, its easier in a big way. Having to go without love and affection in order to achieve a spiritual or energetic goal is kind of a bummer. Thats just from my point of view... maybe some people experience less urge to merge, i assume that they do, since i am a quintuple libra on scorpio's cusp. Anyway, i don't mean to get into astrology, what i mean to say is that in one way its harder, and in another its easier to practice dual cultivation. In my opinion the hardest thing about it is finding a woman who cultivates, or understands energy well enough to work with you as your sexual gongfu progresses. Dual cultivation is wonderful.

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Wow, awesome post lerner. Thanks

Only cause its not from me. Dhao Zen is/was an amazing teacher. Not that I ever studied w/ him, but his writing were both hardcore and accessible, balanced and inspiring.

 

In the Personal Discussion Page (I am # 2!), One of my journals is Best of Tao Bums. My ramblings rarely make the cut, but there's good meaty stuff on there from years of Tao Bum writings. I haven't updated it for a while, but its go some very good stuff. I should probably update it soon.

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I'm currently on day 45. I have no intentions of going back to my old ways, I feel awesome. First 2 weeks had some serious testosterone running,crazy energy. It sort of went down and it's just meh now. My ex girlfriend seems to somehow sense all this and is trying to ruin me haha, she wants to get jiggy with it but I am not down. My facial hair is also growing back faster and thicker. I also feel like an alpha male hahahhaha. MIND OVER BODY!

 

 

oh and for all the young dudes, there's a sub-reddit for retention. It's called nofap. It's a community where a bunch of dudes/girls who want to practice retention go. You get a badge for everyday you don't "fap". It's pretty cool and might give some of you the motivation you need. CHECK IT OUT!

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/nofap

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My facial hair is also growing back faster and thicker. I also feel like an alpha male hahahhaha. MIND OVER BODY!

 

 

Indeed all that testosterone flowing...one thing i noticed is that my voice deepened greatly during the process. Energetically and physically you change in many ways.

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Using willpower alone can result in struggling. Its a superior method to cut your sexual desires at there root before they manifest...the only way to do that is by controlling the mind and as you said "place the desire into emptiness" via fasting from sexual thoughts.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

I still have yet to have ever tried :blush: But anyway, this goes right in line with what I've been saying with regard to thought-stream-energy and creating a (...hah, a re-discovering, if you will, of what is the proper) "path of least resistance" that tends to reduce neural firing by creating an inertia, channeling the energyvector to the dantien instead of letting it idle and in turn, randomly manifest. Master Nan Huai Chin basically said if you are not able to enter utter complete stillness of some decent level then you wont be able to fully integrate all of the energies. So in a sense it is establishing a coherence that has plenty of potential-ability that it can accommodate the abundance.

 

In practice, just like when discovering one's mind wandering, return to the breath and empty. Your posts on this are very good, thx /\ :)

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