Mal Posted March 1, 2010 CELIBACY In winter, animals do not mate. Preserve your Tao By preserving your essence. We follow the Tao of the universe with great effort, but Tao is within us too. It is not something abstract, not something conceptual. Our personal Tao is our very life force. This energy begins with the physical and extends into the spiritual. The source of this energy is partly chemical : our hormones, nutrition from food, and genetics. Whatever we have that is spiritual arises from these substances. Followers of Tao call this the essence. Preservation of this essence through sexual conservation is crucial. This doesn't mean suppression of sexuality, for the impulse to make love is natural and irrepressible; it means to harmonize sexuality with spirituality. The follower of Tao makes love according to the seasons. In winter, it should be less or not at all; in spring, it may be at its most frequent. The young should restrict themselves to about once every three days, while the middle-aged should reduce it once a week, and the elderly even less than that. The secret is not to indulge too much, without killing one's sexuality altogether. Overindulgence is to waste one's resources. Suppression kills the body on its most basic level. Find the proper balance, and you will have a happy life and full spirituality. I though this one was worth posting (actually they all are) but this is one of our favorite TTB topics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted March 1, 2010 my 2 c i think celibacy can occur naturally over shorter or longer periods of time, in syncronicity with a total replenishing of essence when jing is full, the sexual desire stirred by in-complete-ness, fades things rise to another level or better yet, if we are to use daoist terminology what occurs it's a return to something what we in the west can understand as innocence innocence takes sexuality into another dimension at least this is what i believe L1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted March 1, 2010 innocence takes sexuality into another dimension at least this is what i believe L1 I agree with you. It is devastatingly misunderstood in our culture and confused with inexperience. ie Innocence versus Experience which is not a duality we need in sexual matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walkerinthewoods Posted March 1, 2010 In winter, animals do not mate. To be completely honest this isn't true. Some animals only mate in certain seasons but others mate all year, all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) I agree with you. It is devastatingly misunderstood in our culture and confused with inexperience. ie Innocence versus Experience which is not a duality we need in sexual matters. very much agree with you, Kitten ehm, do you think these things can be... ehmm, taught? or it's just providence? fate? act of God? what does an average t-bum boy (= concerned with retention or not, masturbation, porn and etcetera) has to do go get nearer this type of experience?.. just ponderin' Edited March 1, 2010 by Little1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~jK~ Posted March 2, 2010 I though this one was worth posting (actually they all are) but this is one of our favorite TTB topics 100% CELIBACY tain't normal or natural. Well, this is what my girlfriends tell me. With this said - I got to say that I've been experimenting with T5T from the original book that The 5 Tibetians was taken from titled: The Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth by Peter Kelder. Download it here, read it before lunch. http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/downloads/ancient_secret_of_the_fountain_of_youth_peter_kelder.pdf What I find is that when I am Celibate, my body heals more quicky, my hair grows more quicky and in general I am more quicky, my girlfriends keep saying quicky? Also I am more energetic etc... With the energy raising exercises there is more there to work with and results are better. BUT - There have been a few times when I orgasimed that it literally burned which, I don't think this is a good idea -so- I've backed off a notch from 100% to about once a week to once every 2 weeks... (for each girlfriend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted March 2, 2010 very much agree with you, Kitten ehm, do you think these things can be... ehmm, taught? or it's just providence? fate? act of God? what does an average t-bum boy (= concerned with retention or not, masturbation, porn and etcetera) has to do go get nearer this type of experience?.. just ponderin' Well my dear I have a feeling that it is to do with heart. I think heart is often overlooked in all the male practice talk. I feel that when the heart is open and soft, that is what takes you to the supreme places. The throat also need to be soft. If you soften your throat and your lower dt, right now, reading this, consciously relax and soften there.. see how different you feel straight away. Once these have softened, it is easier to soften the heart area. It isnt possible to be soft in the heart and throat and to be exploitative at the same time... From the male pov : Mat Black knows about it, he is sexy and pure, wise and innocent all at once. Or so it seems to me. I guess he would have some good things to say. Actually just his presence helps point in the right direction. In terms of teachers, Dirk Oellibrandt is your man for this stuff. he is a wonder and a joy. And in europe! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted March 2, 2010 If you soften your throat and your lower dt, right now, reading this, consciously relax and soften there.. see how different you feel straight away. Once these have softened, it is easier to soften the heart area. It isnt possible to be soft in the heart and throat and to be exploitative at the same time... From the male pov : Mat Black knows about it, he is sexy and pure, wise and innocent all at once. In terms of teachers, Dirk Oellibrandt is your man for this stuff. he is a wonder and a joy. And in europe! it's the same with me, for example, to reach the lower dt for real, sometimes i need an hour or more of dissolving tensions in the throat, chest, solar plexus, upper layers of the lower dt, so there is some common experience i would say... it's not done in an intellectual way, but more like experience some kind of deep scuba diving, when entering a more and more profound silent and peaceful state... these kind of experiences added a new level to the path that we've discussed above, but the trigger was something different thou.. re 6th rite... another piece of the puzzle... i do it in a more different way... there are many things that are involved in this practice, sometimes i think that we make love with all that we have got and all that we have learned, for better or for worse... so in order to start talking about it, i'd have to share all that i do, practically for me, being still in the experiential stage, and quite intimate at the same time, it's not the easiest thing to do... it's good to know that it is a common experience, at some level... it's something that we share Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanO Posted March 2, 2010 Well my dear I have a feeling that it is to do with heart. I think heart is often overlooked in all the male practice talk. I feel that when the heart is open and soft, that is what takes you to the supreme places. The throat also need to be soft. If you soften your throat and your lower dt, right now, reading this, consciously relax and soften there.. see how different you feel straight away. Once these have softened, it is easier to soften the heart area. It isnt possible to be soft in the heart and throat and to be exploitative at the same time... I think this is great advice. It is basically what the Inner Smile tries to accomplish. Softening and opening using heart energy. I think many people who fail with sexual cultivation don't grasp the power of the Inner Smile. It's a prerequisite in Healing Tao that many people gloss over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted March 4, 2010 it's the same with me, for example, to reach the lower dt for real, sometimes i need an hour or more of dissolving tensions in the throat, chest, solar plexus, upper layers of the lower dt, this will get to be, eventually, a process that really just requires a fleeting thought, and then just part of the practise/being one with the practise/your usual mode!. so there is some common experience i would say... yes. :)it's not done in an intellectual way, but more like experience some kind of deep scuba diving, when entering a more and more profound silent and peaceful state... these kind of experiences added a new level to the path that we've discussed above, but the trigger was something different thou.. re 6th rite... another piece of the puzzle... i do it in a more different way... there are many things that are involved in this practice, I dont know what is '6th rite". sometimes i think that we make love with all that we have got and all that we have learned, for better or for worse... yes. and we can unlearn the 'worse'... with new experiences that fade the 'worse' away. so in order to start talking about it, i'd have to share all that i do, practically for me, being still in the experiential stage, and quite intimate at the same time, it's not the easiest thing to do... sure thing. the heart likes to hold preciousness close. the vessel needs to be sealed for the contents to get cooked! it's good to know that it is a common experience, at some level... it's something that we share we are together in it. xxxx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted March 4, 2010 I had this problem when i began practicing, but these days my internal orgasm is so strong that my body is flowing and vibrating with ecstasy sometimes longer than my partners. Not ejaculating isn't an issue in this case. It's not about just not ejaculating, but about bringing the orgasm within IMHO. Couldn't agree more Cat. One practice that rarely seems to make it into Taoist discussions, and is, in some sense, the 'aim' of Tantric sexual practice, is alchemy between two partners. If both lovers hearts are totally open and vibrating in harmony, it is possible for the woman to take the energy of the man's (open hearted) ejaculation into her body, infuse it with her heart energy, and send it back through her heart into his, then he back to her by sending it down through the sex organs, then she back to him etc. This is something i've only been able to achieve a few times and it was the most incredible experience, we could only handle a few circulations before we totally blissed out and lost the practice. It also felt that rather than having lost or retained energy, that i had actually gained energy, same with her too - which is what's meant to happen in this practice. Unfortunately incompatibilities arose in that relationship that meant it has ended, but ah, that glimpse.... ohhh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markern Posted March 4, 2010 100% CELIBACY tain't normal or natural. Well, this is what my girlfriends tell me. With this said - I got to say that I've been experimenting with T5T from the original book that The 5 Tibetians was taken from titled: The Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth by Peter Kelder. Download it here, read it before lunch. http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/downloads/ancient_secret_of_the_fountain_of_youth_peter_kelder.pdf What I find is that when I am Celibate, my body heals more quicky, my hair grows more quicky and in general I am more quicky, my girlfriends keep saying quicky? Also I am more energetic etc... With the energy raising exercises there is more there to work with and results are better. BUT - There have been a few times when I orgasimed that it literally burned which, I don't think this is a good idea -so- I've backed off a notch from 100% to about once a week to once every 2 weeks... (for each girlfriend The KAP guys teaches some secret visualizations for the five tibetans that supposedly supercahrges the effect. YThought you might be interested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted March 4, 2010 xxxx sure thing. the heart likes to hold preciousness close. the vessel needs to be sealed for the contents to get cooked! *multiple nods* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
