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On 8/14/2020 at 5:51 AM, Wayist said:

I've asked this before. But I did not get an answer, so I'll ask again.  Do you feel that Lao Zi was a real, historic human being? As the author of the Dao de Jing (??), I would very much like to discuss this.  If you'd like to give it a go here, please write.  Thanks,  Peace Wayist

 See this

Sorry I'm not joining in

The little yellow book according to these two.

Most interesting version of Dao reminds me a lot of the JW's!

10 hours ago, Rara said:

 

Ok, I think I understand. In which case, I'll ask @flowing hands more details.

 

FH, if you read this, I think Dawei is saying this was spoken to you by your teacher, and you wrote down this learning? That's my understanding of dictation...

Yes I did, Li Erh was invited to come by me to teach me his teachings back in 1985/6. When he came we looked at a lot of different translations, some bits were ok, like the Feng/English, but many were not and he taught me what it should be. You will see that the emphasis is totally changed, giving a different meaning. By 1987 I had written all 81 chapters down. I then had to wait another five years before it was published.

20 minutes ago, Rara said:

 

I hope you come back and visit here one day.

 

This has become my favourite YT channel in recent years, and I hope this video helps.

 

Quite strange timing-wise as this has only just happened. The next day, here I am reading ch.50.

 

 

His grandfather has merged with the energies of the environment not just qi!

On 5/31/2020 at 4:13 PM, virtue said:

 

I'm an idiot! Na-na-na-na-na-na!

 

 

Maybe you have some sanctified (holy) office or position, but declaring yourself as a "holy person" is just pompous self-aggrandizement and reads pretty much as if you were denying your own humanity.

 

You can present yourself as special person as you ever want and put yourself on a pedestal, but I am not any holier or unholier than anyone else. That especially includes you.

 

 

Are you claiming that you have an exceptional insight into human heart and into the minds of others that you can accurately judge my (or Musashi's) entire character based on one message I kindly wrote to address your mistake?

 

I summon a renown witness to testify for my innocence. From The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

 

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On 5/28/2020 at 6:38 PM, Musashi said:

 

I made a post on your thread about climate change last week; about you claiming in the past that a nuclear attack would happen on a major European city. It never happened. I took that post away because I didn't want to dig up old stuff.

 

Yet here you are talking: "we don't even know whether Jesus existed or what is written about what he said, is true and Daoism".

 

I've been reading this forum for a long time; and you sir, have said in the past that you had actual conversations with Jezus himself.

Just like you said Lao Tzu told you about the nuclear terror attack. Care to explain?

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On 5/28/2020 at 6:38 PM, Musashi said:

 

I made a post on your thread about climate change last week; about you claiming in the past that a nuclear attack would happen on a major European city. It never happened. I took that post away because I didn't want to dig up old stuff.

 

Yet here you are talking: "we don't even know whether Jesus existed or what is written about what he said, is true and Daoism".

 

I've been reading this forum for a long time; and you sir, have said in the past that you had actual conversations with Jezus himself.

Just like you said Lao Tzu told you about the nuclear terror attack. Care to explain?

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On 5/27/2020 at 10:53 PM, steve said:

It is not at all difficult to find evidence of spiritual depth in the Abrahamic teachings. 

That said, I think it is easier to see when looking from a place of already understanding rather than ignorance.

The esoteric understanding of each of the traditions is well hidden, not too dissimilar in that respect to Daoist scriptures.

And the number of those indoctrinated into these methods is very small.

Perhaps this is why it has been so effectively corrupted and manipulated?

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Where I live it is very clear and clean in terms of air pollution and apart from when the tourist come, pollution is not a problem. Since lockdown, the light is so crystal clear, everything seems to dazzle and it's almost too strong to cope with on sunny days. We have got used to a certain level of air pollution and when it is lowered we notice the difference. Shame we can't keep it like that, my solar off grid system has been generating huge amounts of electricity for a domestic set up.

On 5/26/2020 at 3:56 AM, Sebastian said:

just like Jesus said.

 

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On 5/25/2020 at 1:51 PM, Edward M said:

I'm leaving this topic now, I ask please that no one post on here anymore, I dont want to embarrass Christ anymore.

Peace 

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Hi Folks

I thought some of you might appreciate some of my paintings I did back in 2003/4, plus one of my guitar compositions made up on the spot.

Hope you enjoy

This thread is typical of a Dao Bum thread. Someone can bring up a serious, perhaps contentious subject, everyone thinks they are experts (but they are not). The consensus start to pick on one person or other and it all goes downhill pretty quickly with name calling and insults, digs, etc. etc. Such a waste of time. Personally I have left the Dao Bums many times due to the quality of the posts that are written on here. There is no moderation; we have gone from a dictatorship to a free for all. Personally I get very discourage posting anything on here at all.

5 hours ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

You seem to be heavily biased towards believing that anyone who wears a traditional outfit is a "plastic shaman" I'd encourage you to spend a day on The Left-Hand Path forums, you would be surprised to see it is nothing like you think it is. Maybe you are only active in the Taoist community and you don't know much about other cultures. I myself am active in the wider Occult circles, Aztec, Mayan, Chaos, etc. In those groups, it is seen as being "proper" in the same way as it is proper and respectful to wear a tuxedo at certain events. It adds another layer of commitment and dedication to one's spiritual path and helps separate the mundane self from the magical self when practicing multifaceted ceremonies. I'd encourage you to read the words of Professor Johnson, he writes extensively about the importance of Taoist ritual attire. 

Why would I want to read the words of Prof Johnson? Don't I have a real Divine master who teaches me what is the way? True Magic comes from true enlightenment and from the power given by Immortals. It is a power one can feel flowing through the body, it can be let out (fa) to do all sorts of things. One does not need any sort of dress to feel and to use this power.

5 hours ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

You seem to be heavily biased towards believing that anyone who wears a traditional outfit is a "plastic shaman" I'd encourage you to spend a day on The Left-Hand Path forums, you would be surprised to see it is nothing like you think it is. Maybe you are only active in the Taoist community and you don't know much about other cultures. I myself am active in the wider Occult circles, Aztec, Mayan, Chaos, etc. In those groups, it is seen as being "proper" in the same way as it is proper and respectful to wear a tuxedo at certain events. It adds another layer of commitment and dedication to one's spiritual path and helps separate the mundane self from the magical self when practicing multifaceted ceremonies. I'd encourage you to read the words of Professor Johnson, he writes extensively about the importance of Taoist ritual attire. 

Actually it is what you have in your heart not the robe that you wear. That is what separates the fakes from the real

On 3/3/2020 at 2:50 AM, mrpasserby said:

In my psychomanteum (for those who know my work this newly acquired word 'psychomanteum'. just means: my old domain bubble that I have frequently talked about), I us aesthetics, but not so much on the physical plane. This short video by a member of the the sorcerers guild lends support to aesthetics in magical workings: 

 

Oh dear.... the words plastic shaman come to mind......mind games being the operative words. Its comical, why look like that? Real shamans you wouldn't recognise them if you met them. They don't look like this.

1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

 

Sometimes immortals incarnate into human bodies  

Indeed!

Hmmm.... Youtube won't let me me put 'Church' live in Jordan, But chooses this one...odd... either that or TDBS site won't take it!

Anyway my favourite song at the present is the live version, very atmospheric with sunset and drone footage.

Go to youtube and look up Church by coldplay live in Jordan

8 hours ago, manitou said:

 

 

I am doing apples and oranges, I think.

 

If one is in possession of the I Am consciousness (also known by countless other names) as a result of self-realization, it seems that the understanding of that is the knowledge that we are all the Dao, God, Christ --  whatever consciousness you want to call it.  There isn't really a difference between us, we just think we're separate.  I'm assuming that you have full knowledge of that consciousness.  That would mean that there is no separation between you and the entity and that all is Here Now.  This is the poser I'm asking 

 

Also, if you have accepted the divine condition, you actually are an immortal.

I think you have the wrong end of sticks and mixing up various knowledges and applying it like jam to everybody's toast!  The theory you are expressing is exactly that, just a theory expressed by many. We may share the same energy that connects all living things, but we are all separate energy entities in differing states of well being, in differing states of perception, very different bodies etc. and more importantly differing states of experience and cultivation. The secrets of the universe are exactly that and the way to Immortality is a process and becoming one takes far more self input and knowledge than a shared consciousness. I am in a certain state of cultivation as a shaman, the Immortal Masters have made it to the highest state of cultivation. We may share the same energy in common, but that's where the similarity starts and ends.

1 hour ago, manitou said:

 

 

These three words are out of your text.  I have taken them completely out of context.  I think what Steve was alluding to, and what I'm asking you, is how in your mind do you reconcile The Immortal You with another entity?  I am truly interested in that.  I think the hardest (and most subtle) thing to learn is how to wear the robe once we discover that we have a robe on.  If I were in the position of dealing with an actual entity, my mind would justify the duality by realizing that linear time is an illusion, and therefore it is very possible that you and the entity are one and the same.  I think we're all one and the same, and that includes those that came before us and those that will come after us.  Do you have thoughts along those lines?

Firstly I'm not an Immortal. If we first describe what an Immortal is and isn't we have our understanding. In the heavens there are thousands of Immortals. Some as old as the universe itself. The heavens is the sky above us. We cannot see the immortals there as they are just energy, although they sometimes can visit the earth as humans or any other life. They are in the greatest state a living thing can be in. They have transcended the material world and are literally energy. We are as life a mixture of matter and energy, but an Immortal has cultivated so that their energy is much greater than their matter. So when their matter dies, what is left is energy, unrestricted by a body. Now there are all sorts of levels of Immortals. We as ordinary people may have the embryo of an infant Immortal inside us, but it is what we do, what we cultivate etc. depends on what level we get to in the level of the spirit that we have inside us. It may take us a thousand lifetimes to get to being an Immortal. The Immortal is the spirit of a human or animal that has transcended the material world. The Immortal and I are completely separate, just like two humans. But one is in a super powerful pure and cultivated state.  The spirit entity is so unbelievably powerful in its ability to move anything if it wants to for instance. An Immortal can move the sun and send it billions of light years away from us. It can do unimaginable things. With such power comes responsibility.  That's why it's so difficult to become an Immortal. This is what I know

'The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet's population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans'.12 Oct 2010

This outbreak had no conspiracy theory behind it (not that I know of) and its source was said to have started in the trenches with pig handling. It tended to strike people aged between 20-40 as their immune response was strong so their lungs filled up with water very quickly.