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I've been experimenting with not ejaculating now for a couple of months. So far I have not been able to get past 21 days. At that time I usually get a wet dream. So this is what i want to avoid. I want to make it past a month to see how that feels. What I will do every day: - 30 minutes zazen meditation - 6 tibetan rites - couple of minutes Ham-Sa - eat healthy and no caffeine - no porn, no masturbation. If anyone has more recommendations on how to avoid wet dreams I'd like to hear.

I would like to learn how to have orgasms without ejaculation. I am 35 and have have been experimenting with retention for over a year now. I have studied some products and while masturbating and having sex I tried coming as close as possible to the point of no return many times. The closest to an orgasm w/o ejaculation I got one time was when I suddenly noticed a gap between the orgasm and the ejaculation. I do several PC muscle exercises everyday. I have several questions: -How can I learn to have orgasms w/o ejaculation? -Is it necessary I practice retention to learn this? -How long did it take you to learn it? What were your steps? -Is it necessary I practice meditation or yoga or other energy stuff? -While in solo practice, is it ok to watch porn or should i better not? If someone could point me to athread where these questions are answered I would appreciate that too. Thanks in advance for all the help.

thanks for the feedback. It definetly is. I am still curious, is it benefical to practice retention in order to learn non ejaculatory orgasms?

Thanks for the recommendation. The reviews I read of that product were not very promising. I saw a poll where 142 people voted, and 45% of them learned how to orgam w/o ejaculation. 0% used Jack Johnston's method. So here on the Taobums it has been succesful? I am not getting it though. Is it a language thing?

Thanks for posting mantis. i enjoyed it.

It was actually not a quote, but my interpretation of this table: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content-nw/fu...TABLEJOC32368T3 The category 0-3 is mentioned in the table above. That's very inaccurate of saying what the research says. That statement is only valid when compared to the reference group, who ejaculate 4-7 times a month. It is not valid when compared to the group who ejaculate 0-3 times per month. An accurate way of saying it would be "The group with the highest lifetime average of ejaculation - 21 times per month - were a third less likely to develop the cancer than the reference group, who ejaculated four to seven times a month." To say that "the study shows less risk of prostate cancer with more frequent ejaculation" is a misinterpretation of the data of the study, which I've seen all over the web. Heck even I made that assumption. I've called Organ-Confined prostate cancer 'less dangerous', and advanced prostate cancer 'more dangerous'. That's my understanding of it by reading about it. This quote: "The group with the highest lifetime average of ejaculation - 21 times per month - were a third less likely to develop the cancer than the reference group, who ejaculated four to seven times a month." Is only valid for orphan prostate cancer, not for advanced. I actually believe I am right about every single point I made, but I am happy to be shown otherwise. I am researching this topic quite intensively and I want to know the truth.

It's funny how this research is consistently being misinterpreted all over the web. The research that is being referred to is a large US study following 30.000 predominately white men aged 46 to 81. It turned out that men who ejaculate 0-3 times per month actually have a lower risk for prostate cancer than men who ejaculate 4-7 times per month. Only the men who ejaculate more than 21 times per month had a lower risk for prostate cancer than the group who had 0-3 ejaculations. And this is only valid for the less dangerous form of prostate cancer. For the more dangerous form of prostate cancer the story is completely different. But don't take my word for it, check the facts for yourself: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/291/13/1578 And some people seem to forget that this research is descriptive and not prescriptive. In other words, if you now start wanking 21 times per month there is no proof that it will lower your chance for prostate cancer.

I am making steady progress with my retention practice. I've now learned that an effective way of avoiding wet dreams is a 10 minute yoga practice before i go to bed. I do udyana bandha, shoulderstand, headstand. I found out diet, coffee, sleeping on my side are not all that important. The yoga practice is. I started on the 1st april. My goal is to make to 1st of june.

You may also want to have a look at raw cacao, it's supposedly more healthy than regular chocolate.

Ok interesting. Why are you mentioning the chocolate? PS. on the meat eating: it may work for some,but not for others. I'm going to try it out. Otherwise retention will not work for me.

Are you a vegetarian Mal? I think this may be important. I am not sure yet, but I will experiment with it.

He definetly mentioned caffeine yes. I was aware of it for quite some time. I had not drank coffee for a month, when last christmas I stayed over at my father. Since he is a regular coffee drinker, I could not resist the temptation. The same night I had a wet dream. The next morning I had coffee again, and again a wet dream that night. So if anyone is having libido problems, caffeine is great. But if you're into retention, better stay away from it. The answer of the yoga teacher as to the reason of my wet dreams was: 1 Impurity of food. He says no meat, eggs, garlic, onions, coffee. 2 He said: You may need to practice yoga and pranayma too for even distribution of energy.

I've continued my experiences in the Retention Thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=4375&st=20

Ok here's my update on retention: (as in not ejaculating for a longer period) I usually get, after one week, increased sexual dreams and wet dreams. I have never made it past 21 days because of that. One of the recomendations here was to sleep om my side, instead of my stomach. I have managed to have some nights on my side, it is better. But still I get the sexual dreams. So I became quite sceptical if it is really good for me, and I asked an experienced yoga teacher what he makes of the whole sex transmutation/retention thing. He says it works for him. He teaches classes 6 times a day and then walks for half an hour to go to the gym. And then he says "guess how old I am." I said:41. He says: 61. I was shocked. The guy hardly has any wrinkles, super clear eyes and skin and does not look old at all. Simply amazing. So I asked him, why isn't it working for me? Before I give you his answer, I would like to hear your opinions on what food could be causing my sexual dreams. What was effective for you? Well I can already tell you 2 foods he mentioned are garlic and onions, but I am not eating either of them.

I've heard Stephen Mitchell's is good: http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Te-Ching-Perenni...1976&sr=8-1 Check out the reviews there's a lot of information there. I am reading this one at the moment: http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Te-Ching-Perenni...1976&sr=8-1 It's just a short verse of the Tao every chapter and then Byron Katie gives her interpretation. To appreciate I think you need to be familiar with The Work. I love it.

For interesting views on living without goals check out Byron Katie's work.

Please explain.

Somehow setting goals is no longer working for me. It feels against my nature. But then every other selfhelp program talks about setting goals, so all kinds of beliefs start to arise like "I should set goals", "I should pursue my goals". So I did some searching on the forum and found this thread. These 2 quotes agree well with my experience.

If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace. If you let go completely, you will have complete peace. ~Ajahn Chah

Great idea this thread. This one does it for me: Bob Sinclar, World hold on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIExZvqX4j4 And his other song aswell: Love generation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iXahMekSBA...feature=related

thanks for all the input guys. I've noticed before that sleeeping on my stomach could be an important cause. I think sleeping on my side will make a huge difference. If I can get myself to it. Will try tonight. a transmutation exercise recommended by mantis. http://www.gnosticteachings.org/content/view/146/64/

what is that? I searched on google and this site and could not find it.

Good one! I always sleep on my stomach. This is the way my parents have always put me, and now it feels completly normal for me. That will be a very hard habit to break. Any suggestions?

Interesting thread guys. I've been unable to get past 20 days, because of wet dreams. I've found out that I especially get wet dreams when I drink coffee during the day, so I will have to drop coffee if I want to get past 20 days.

At the age of 33 I read David Deida's book where he talks about sex transmutation. At first I found it funny and I did not believe ejaculation really cost me that much energy. But lately it became more and more noticeable how big the energy drops where after ejaculation. I am now 35 and experimenting a lot with ejaculating less often. I went from 2 or 3 times per week to once every two weeks. At the moment it's been longer than two weeks ago and I am noticing some increase in energy and disicipline. At the moment I don't have a partner. Now what I am wondering about: is it better for me to masturbate? (w/o ejaculation ofcourse) to stimulate sexual energy. or better not to masturbate? From my on experience it seems my natural tendency at the moment is to not masturbate at all, but this way my sexdrive is not really building up. The times I did masturbate w/o ejaculation I did feel an increase of sexual energy but that often led to me chasing shallow sexual relationships. Any thoughts or experiences are welcome in this area. The books I read are David Deida's Way of the superior man and Charles Runels Integrated Sex Transmutation.