Badogue

Nobody will discredit and ridicule you here for no reason. You sound honest and genuine and speak from your own experience(a rare thing on this forum). Thank you for sharing your succesful story with the rest of the readers.

When I say: " Knowing that forums, I guees there will be some people trying to ridicule me and discredit me without any reason."

Im beeing honest and genuine and speak from my own experience.

Belive me, there is that type of people here.

Yea I read of this technique somewhere else. From the book "Advanced Sexual Practices" by Sebastian Heller.

 

I'd be careful about the author though because I have had some history involved with him back when he was active on other boards on the internet, but see what you can take from the book. It might have some insight.

 

Search in google for a torrent or at some share website. I haven't tried it myself but I was wondering how it could work.

Thanks.I did not know that that technique was descibed in any book. I just discovered it by myslef.

Hi Badogue, I am glad things are Improving for you

 

That technique is called the 'Shallow thrust' in Taoism, and yes it is good to minimise excitement for the man. Your not drawing out so fat that the sensitive head of the penis gets to close to the tighter entrance of the vagina.

 

There are some other things that may help. One is a good woman who can guide you into her while she helps you process any feelings of tension/anxiety/nervousness that can often cause a man to come to early...

A lot of men hold deep beliefs around, making love with a woman, getting what they want from a woman, feeling like they 'have' to perform like some sexual super hero, and especially an almost chronic fear of not pleasing the Woman. [that often relates to our fear of disappointing our own mothers. lol]

 

For some men, Its just a performance issue, [though the fear of disappointing mum still may be relevant ] and once they perform adequately, say through a technique like yours, that fear dissipates and soon they are having sex like a star, so well done.

 

Seth.

Very interesting. Thanks. Whowever I did 4 months of classical psychoterapy and got no result, tryied mantak chia exercises and almost died (with a little exaggeration ) and now Im doind a body therapy with a terapist who works in my feelings and what sensations it causes i my body, he teaches me grounding and another chinese techniches. Im trying like I can but honestly after 3 years suffering from this problem Im starting to get without any hope. 3 yeas of P.E. and 2 or 3 nocturnal emissions every week.

The only thing taht really worked to me is homeopaty. With homeopaty, I ejaculate instalnly in the first try, but tin the second one I can last forever. Not that bad in my case Since I can have 3 or 4 consecutive ejaculations in just 1 hour. (Yes Im a sexual bomb).

PS: People please dfont ask me for homeopatic formulas! Im not a terapist! Go find one.

Thank you!

I want to share something I discovered last years.

Im suffering from premature ejaculation and this is quite a big problem in my life. But this is not time to complain.

My problem is so serious that I cant even do 1 single stroke in my girlfriend vagina that I would ejaculate. Very bad.

I discovered a way how to penetrate and give orgasms to my partner, as many orgasms as she wants. Not 30 minutes, not 1 hour but THE TIME I WANT. STROKING HARD!

So I will explain what I discovered.

The first 2 or 3 centimeters of the penis has almost no sensibility, doing the stroke movement only in this amplitude, you can penetrate the time you want without ejaculating and yes, the girl will cum because the vagina is more sensible in his outside and not inside. So you can do the strokes very strong but only use 2 or 3 centimeters of your penis! Let the rest of it inside the vagina where there is not so much pressure like in the entrance.

Mixing this with funky and all what your creativity avoid, you can give as many orgasms as she wants. My girlfriend got 3 or 4 and get exausted and ask me to sop and cum myslef.

Thats all. I suffer a lot with this problem so I want to share it with more people who are also suffering with this. Actually i think that tehcnique will help all men, including guys who does not have premature ejac. Because every man soon or later cums and beeing able to stay the time you want is reallya big deal. Trust me.

Some friends of mine who also have premature ejac. tested that technique and it works so I think it will work for most guys. But obviously I cannot garantee that it will work in every woman.

PS: Knowing that forums, I guees there will be some people trying to ridicule me and discredit me without any reason. I know some guys here who says they ARE THE MASTERS of all knowledge and start humiliating even good intentioned people. This topic is not for that type of people but for good people who need help and have interest in this subject. I hope people will be helped with my technique I want to share that good new. I call it my technique because I did discovered it by myslef, Im not saying that I invented it.

Obviously, the final objective must get rid of premature ejaculation but this technique will help without nesessity of training or take time. Far far better than nothing.

Good luck for you all.

You may wish to add mild squats (mild as in small amount of weight) to your regimen. It may possibly help and is a part of what I have talked about with the many other young men who had similar problems as you from doing these "exercises". If you can find a medical qigong healer several sessions may help immensely. I think you were brave for posting and thank you; it may help others who are considering practicing archaic birth control methods from reading a book.

One thing I can tell you is there are many out there that wish they had of read your OP a long time ago.

Thanks for the advices. Im already doing some mild squats. My chi kung teacher told me to do it.

Well, I have received some mails from people who are ill because of some practice.

Not just Chia's exercises, also some from qi qong etc...

Most of them said they has no intent of posting in the forum about it because there is so much raging people dissing and humiliating those who have done something wrong and got ill. Always trying to show how they know to do and how they got benefits from the practices, and the ones who got hurt are just poor ignorant suckers.

Its like entering a drug addicts hospital just for blaming the patients about his situation and saying "look at me, I did it with no problems, it means you are an idiot and Im nice. Thats why you are in that situation" Weird...

In this forum, people with inflated egos are scaring another ones who are looking for help. I know 1 or 2 who told me that.

This forums was supoposed to be a place where people could share experiences and help one another.

But seems more like an argument battlefield where people fight against one another trying to prove who knows more or who can do more etc. The more they discuss, the more his egos inflate. Sounds like a teenage discussion. If you take read in the entire thread, you will see moments when the main focus of the discusison was tottaly lost. Lots of words that dont helps anyone. People beeing rude and trying to discredit others.

I think this is not wisdom, this is not taoism.

And again. thanks for all people who has given good advices with good intentions. There is lot of that people here and his light must not be obscured by some ego manifestations from someones.

People can continue mailing me. Im going better and I can tell more about what I did to get so.

Cheers.

Besides seeking advice from a professional, you said earlier that you had contact with a Buddhist monk. Has he advised you to meditate?

Perhaps you should see him again and ask for guidelines for meditation.

I wish you a speed recovery. Don't be discouraged.

Yes, SHE has advised to meditate and how to do. And Im going to meet her next days.

Thank you!

Also thanks about all information!

I forgot to include a symptom.

Since the beginning I was hearing a sound on my right ear.

Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

sporadically and weak.

Now, every symptoms I described before (in the first post) seems to be gone. I fell no more.

But now Im hearing the sound in the other ear. Much more strong and much more constant.

Also the shiver back of my head ruffling my hair.

Some times it comes suddently and strong, some times it starts slowly.

Its does not scary me. I think it is a normal symptom of energy circulation and soon my body will adjust it. Thats my guess based in what I experienced in last months.

Im not afraid about insanity since Im not trying semem retention. As I sayd, I do have

1 or 2 wet dreams a week, so my body is releasing tension by itself. So having 4 or 5 total ejacs. in a month does not look pathological for me. Im 23.

Also, Im feeling very good now, no confusions, no emotions, no pain, no nothing. Its just a boring sound in my ear. I would like every other ill people ware getting better like me. And I hope so.

I wish more people can understand the objective of this thread. I dont want to discuss the pratice because I know very little and I dont want to risk saying something that can prejudice others. There is also lots of well intentioned people here who can give good advices, but getting more methods, more practices and so much information is not good for someone who are sick.

I think the best type of advice for people who are sick is like: Find a good acupunturist, find a good therapeut etc...

Cheers.

Here is an article Trunk wrote about the dangers with semen retention.

 

http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/HLDangerMain.htm

 

 

I think we also should added to this thread how semen retention should be done if done properly, accordning to master Mantak Chias teaching.

 

I have myself written such treads on this forum many times, couldn´t find one of them for the moment, perhaps someone else find some of these old posts. Litle1 and others have also written quite alot about it.

 

I also think it is of big interest to follow the recovery of Badogue, thanks for sharing with us!

 

FD

Thank you for your contribution!

I think the less important thing in this thread is the personal arguments betwean the contributors.

Yes! Thats why I sayd im not interested in having useless discussions.

Anyway if it is in the book or not is of less importance in this stage for those who already have been ill from the practise, like Badogue.

EXACTLY. Its like entering in a drug addicts hospital just for blame them and diss them. Weird...

They are interested in warning other people from using this system at all. To tell them that it is dangerous. They might not even trust the system, that did hurt them profoundly. So theire big interest on such a page like this is to warn people and to let people know how to cure themself after they got ill.

Nice. There is risks right? So let people know. Simple.

So I have changed my mind and I think we should respect Badogue for hes unwillingness to talk about exactly what he did practise and not did practise on this thread. Instead we should help to add what is dangersous in the system and how could you get healed when you get hurt by the system.

All i did is explained in the first thread.

fiveelementtao

Thank you for all your commentaries. Im getting really good advices from some pleople in this forum.

Im very glad that some people has sent sent me messages about my topic saying they also had problems with Chia's exercises and asking for help. Im trying to do my best in telling my history to him, and explain in a way that can help them. Of course Im not acting like a healer, what I can do is just tell what happened and have a sick person - to - sick personn talk. Im having talks about acupuntur and some other therapeutical methods of cure with some guys who have also get sick like me, very nice.

The last months of my life has been a dark period and I dont intend to waste my energy in useless discussions. But I really intend to use at least a little of my time to try help people who are in the same situation as me and WARN the unwary new practicioners.

So I will teel what I did for getting better:

1 - 20 sessions of acupuntur and moxa sealed my sphincter again. So now Im having 1 wet dream per week, wich seems to be normal in my age (23), and also considering the fact that Im single, have no sex, and no masturbation.

2 - Some walk/run can help to calm down the energy. I recomend to do it with a friend in case of something happens. Thats my opinion, a healer can discourage it, but it helped me.

3 - A budhist monk, (who recently reached the most advanced level in buddhist hierarchy) told me to STOP WITH all exercises including Chi Kung. I think what I need now is to calm down the energy and not to risk agitating it more and more. Of course having a master is a secure way to practice, depending of what he tells you to do. I dont have a master, so...

4 - Floral medicines can help calming down the energy. Im not talking about chinese herbs, its about Florals, like the Bach ones.

5 - Something I learned in these 2 last months. Our better, wiser and most friendly master is our own body. He knows everything, he will adjust the energy by itself, cure the wounds and bring thins to normality, like he always do when we get a wound by cutting the skin, you sleep, and in the next day the wound is closed. So listen to your body. Give him some time. If I had done it and had stopped when the first symptoms appeared I would not be sick now.

People please, feel free to send me messages about that all.

Best wishes for all.

 

My impression is you placed your trust in one book from this system and felt betrayed after investing time in it only to be adversely affected.

 

You don't like the system, and that much you've made clear.

 

Ok, I give up. Seems like im talking in greek.

Fortunatelly there was some poeple who understood my intentions. Thanks for those all.

I think the "emotional blockage" comment is worthy of more focus. I have found that the cold draw is effective at reducing the physical desire, but one thing I discovered after eliminating physical desire is how much emotional issues played into things as well. I think it is important to observe with in yourself what types of emotions you have about sex so that you can identify what the real emotional issue is.

For example if one pretty much simply wants to "get off" in the physical sense this could point to a root chakra blockage. If they want to be able to seduce women for their ego than this points towards a solar plexus issue, ect... So trying to decipher what type of emotions drive your libido is helpful in bringing balance.

Decondition yourself. Look into classical conditioning and what is called extinction. You've conditioned yourself (as many have, including I) to associate the female form with the desire for pleasure and release of tension. What really worked for me as a way to decondition was to watch porn and contemplate impermanence and death. This may sound kind of morbid, but it really works. You can imagine that the bodies are decaying. Really imagine what's underneath the skin, all of the muscle tendons and organs and skeleton. Contemplate how those females are just human beings who live normal lives full of suffering with momentary happiness. There is an actual person over there, not just a sexual object. That's how you decondition yourself.

Yeah, I agree.

 

Another good way of deconditioning yourself may be just to spend more good quality platonic time with women. Spend more time with them as friends and equals, so that the previous associations do not rule your interactions with them.

You could also do an imprint to the 'opposite.' If you have an old and deep memory that is somehow associated with lustful behavior, you could do a ceremony which imprints the opposite action than what the memory is. If, say, your first lustful memory is in the back seat of a Chevy in 1962 (if this memory keeps coming up, it's probably the one you're seeking) you could intentionally imprint behavior that is opposite of having sex in the back seat of a Chevy. That would be a hard one to come up with, but maybe something like re-enacting taking her to a movie instead, I don't know...it's not really jumping out at me.

As to the lust in general - I would start with the mind there too. Again, ceremonializing it, finding something to signify 'not being lustful'....what could that be? Maybe taking the actions of dressing a woman as opposed to undressing her? But if you do it, do it with at least one other there; have a beginning and an end to the ceremony; maybe smudge the area first with sweetgrass, sage, or pine needles. Have music or someone beating a drum or a rattle just for the mental transport aspect, and to communicate to your soul that there's a beginning and an end to it. the most powerful way to imprint to the opposite would be to find the very thing or memory that's most specific to you.

This gets into the soul at a very deep level, if the right combination can be found, and it Bends the Light and changes the dynamic. It works best if the most childlike simplicity is achieved.

Thank you all. All you say almost the same thing. And your opinions really are in agreed with mines. And that is exactly what Im going to do. Thank you all.

Researchers are finding more and more evidence that premature ejaculation is mostly psychological and that it's caused by stress and intimacy issues. If you are really worried about this, then perhaps you should try to reduce the stress in your life and examine whether or not you have issues with intimacy. Personally all I can say is that nearly every man in their life will experience premature ejaculation. It's not the end of the world and it does pass. I told you not to worry before and I'll tell you again, don't worry.

 

Also if you're only prematurely ejaculating during masturbation, that doesn't count, because the way they identify whether you are actually prematurely ejaculating is whether or not you are ejaculating before your partner.

 

The exercises that they prescribe in most cases have to do with stopping prior to ejaculation in an attempt to lengthen the period before orgasm. This has mixed results and doesn't always work. I am not a doctor so don't take this as medical advice, I'm only stating what I know, not recommending anything.

 

If I did recommend something to you, it would be to chill out and relax, let it go and don't worry. Life is too short to worry about something like this. Enjoy life. Have fun. If you have a partner, explain to them that you're prematurely ejaculating and I'm sure they'll understand. Just keep in mind there are other ways to ensure your partner experiences an orgasm prior to your ejaculation, so really premature ejaculation for me is just impatience.

 

Aaron

Thanks. I really like your advices. For me, now, relaxing and hearing usual advices its been more helpful than learning lots of theory and practices from books. Thanks.

This is the problem. Getting sexual energy techniques from books...

Both Mantak Chia and Michael Winn have publicly reversed themselves on sexual kung fu as a result of many people who have severely injured themselves from their books.

one of many recent casualties of Mantak Chia here on TTB's is here

 

This is just one of many. Some Medical Qigon practitioners here on TTB's can also tell you of the many patients they have treated who have severely screwed themselves up practicing this stuff from books. Some people now cannot get erections and much worse.

Yes. I agreed. And I really dont understand why there is so much people defending the practices so blindly. Seems like there is some too young dudes here who are too blind by his own egos, and so fascinated with the practices, that they cant even recongize that there is risks.

By the way, I have premature ejaculation both in sex and masturbation.

But there is a interesting point. If I masturbate without thoughts, nothing happens. But if some lust tought comes to my mind, then imediately I ejaculate.

Sounds like emotional blockage to me. You will need a process. Of course a girlfriend could be nice but do her a favor and first get balance through diet, qigong, mental breakdown, whatever it takes.

Good. Im already in this process. Thanks

I remember starting exactly the same thread (http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/16350-practices-to-reduce-or-eliminate-the-influence-of-lust/) about a month ago because I was also looking to get rid of all the conditioning of mind by pornographic influences. There were various opinions provided by many bums there.

 

But personally, what worked the best for me was the to increase my physical activity. As such I had always been of a more athletic nature, and regularly run/jog and practice martial arts. But the period when that activity had reduced for me, lust seems to have gained greater influence in my mind. However, after again reverting to my routine physical exercises, I could once again defeat lust. Not to say that now I don't get aroused by looking at something sensual, but that my mind is strong enough for me to not look at it at the first place!

 

Seating meditation never worked for me; on the contrary, if I sit in meditation for some time, I tend to get spontaneous erections! So I guess everyone will have to find their own way of controlling their desires. Defeating desires/attachments is all Buddhism/Taoism is about after all.

"increase physical activity" Good point also. Im already doing this. Thanks

Personally, I don't believe that our paths call us to "get rid of" anything that we were born with. There is nothing in the human body (other than maybe the appendix) that does not serve a purpose. As several people pointed out, what you try to hold down or eradicate will only grow in its power over you. What I recommend is changing your relationship to lust, rather than trying to rid yourself of it.

 

Have a sense of humor about it; allow yourself to fall into lust, but with awareness. The big mental step is merely surrendering the justification. When you find yourself going down the rabbit hole of lust, remind yourself that it's just a game, just a test of your awareness. Rather than trying to value women instead of lusting after them, allow yourself to feel both. There is no wrong feeling, only unhealthy relationship to the feeling.

 

As far as premature ejaculation goes, I think the best remedy is practice! Best bet: find someone who will join you in your exploration. Be utterly honest with her or him, about your previous issues, and be clear in your request that you explore that territory together.

 

Face it; once you are with that girl (or guy) in bed, you will have to face lust. In fact, lust is the whole reason you're there. So why see lust as the enemy? See it instead as the context, in which you are expanding your current repertoire of capacity. There is nothing to overcome or defeat; the lust is part of you, so don't try to defeat yourself. Just become friends with all of you, including your lust.

Very wise words my friend. I think my idea is the same of your. Thanks.

My recommendation is get a vasectomy and indulge in lust.

It was a well intentioned joke?

My sincere thanks for the answers.

I did nothing before.

Sounds like "I didnt think pouring concrete was important enough before setting those wooden pylons in the ground for my house..."

In fact you maybe angry on yourself more, but you're unaware of it.

LEARN TO READ, I SAYD:

"Im not judging the Method or the guy, I just say, based in my own experience, ITS DANGEROUS."

"I dont intend to blame no one or do any analisys. ITS JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE."

O-N-L-Y THAT.

I have one only intention, alert new practicioners like me about risks. If you dont like it, well, what can I do?

Thats not about "its safe if you do the right way". Does't matter if it was my blame or no, actually I think yes, was my blame.

But thats not what Im talking about. Its just: There is dangers involved. And I want to elert people about it.

I dont remember saying: "DONT DO THESE EXERCISES!"

I thought that forum was a nice place to share my experience and prevent more people of getting ill.

Again... learn to read before criticise.

I just wanna say I love the title of your thread!

 

I instinctively wanna say "AS MANY AS YOU LIKE BRO!!!"

Well, Im quite right that excessive masturbation and ejaculation some yars ago caused me premature ejac and nocturnal emissions every day. I did some treatment and now Im better about wet dreams but premature ejac stills. So im not going to estimulate/ myself again. Just for training, but without ejaculating is ok for me.

Hello Badogue,

 

I'm going to say this as kindly as possible, don't worry about it! God you're 23 and in your sexual prime from a biological standpoint. The fact that you want to have sex has to do with the fact that your body is telling you that you need to procreate. You denying that you feel this way or shoving it down deep inside because you feel it will harm your chi or prevent you from being like Buddha is silly. The more you deny your sexuality the more of a problem it will become.

 

If you actually believe you have a problem and you think you're a sex addict, then go to Sex Addicts Anonymous or something, otherwise I would suggest examining why you feel the way you do about sex. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Why the heck are people so hung up on sex.

 

As a comparison, I'm 41 and I guarantee I have more than 2 "day emissions" a week and I'm absolutely healthy. Again stop worrying about it. There's no need to feel guilty or dirty because you want to have sex or find sexy things sexy. If they weren't sexy you wouldn't identify them as such. Who the hell told you sex was bad in the first place? Whoever it was, quit listening to them.

 

Aaron

 

edit- I really mean this in the most compassionate way possible, don't worry about it.

Well, tank you. I dont consider myself an addict, yes I like sex normally as any healthy 23 years old guy, but I have premature ejac. so Im trying to get control of things and teacth to my body how to seal the leaking door.

Totally agree with Aaron.

 

 

 

Would you please answer this? It may assist us in helping you.

No one told me. Im just trying to seal the leaking door becaus I have premature ejac. and wet dreams are very boring.

OK. the maximum amount of ejaculations and still be healthy for a 23 year old man is 2...per day!

I echo what has already been said that the concept that seminal retention or abstinence from ejaculation will somehow make you stronger or give you more chi power is nonsense.

 

I understand seminal retention and limiting ejaculation is very popular now. But it is not representative of many respected traditional taoist teachings. It has been taken out of context and completely misunderstood. What is suggested in some very high level traditional taoist teachings is that one should be conscious of the their personal relationships, NOT obsessing about one's bodily fluids. One should meditate on the emotional energy that is being transfered between people in their lives. Sexual relationships only being ONE aspect of that meditation. Having sex with someone who is not in synch with you spiritually is seen as throwing your emotional energy away NOT sexual energy. The sexual fluids are not the focus here. You can retain semen or abstain from ejaculation until it is coming out your nose, but if you have toxic personal relationships, your energy is being sapped and THAT is what makes you sick or age faster. In some traditional schools of Tao, sexual techniques are absolutely forbidden because they are seen as ineffective not to mention dangerous. This is something that many people who only get their teachings from books may not understand. The founder of the first major taoist sect (after the celestial masters sect) which spawned all the other sects was named Lady Wei and she specifically prohibited any sexual techniques. Sexual kung fu was considered a "layman" technique that would only work in a very limited way. Those who were learning the inner door techniques were taught different things. IME and IMO, the need to retain semen is indicative of psychological insecurity and control issues. these personal issues will inhibit a student's energetic and spiritual progress. Tao is about flowing harmoniously with life.

 

If you really want to learn methods of long life... find a teacher... If you can';t find a teacher, then seek to live harmoniously. That is the highest teaching...

my .02

Well. for all people. Thanks. But im nothing afraid about Chi or about anythig relationed with spiritual path.

Im just trying to find a way to stop premature ejac.

Im not trying retention.

I just have a wet dream of twice every week. Thats my total ejaculation count every week. (No sex).

Im 23.

What is the count for having a health sexual life until I get very old?

There are already so many threads about this topic, so I'm starting to feel like a parot talking about this, but I'll say it again just cause I sympathise with this issue.

 

If the problem is simply pre-mature ejaculation this is considered a kidney yin deficiency in TCM. There are good herbs for this if your interested, or you can go to an acupuncturist and get them from them. Here is a site you can order these herbs from... http://www.agelessherbs.com/YinValleyFormula.html

 

The homeopathic remedy Staphysagria is indicated from excessive masturbation and sexual thoughts.

 

The sacral chakra is the chakra that has to do with sex, so focusing a lot on this point when doing the MCO helps as well.

Im confused. My acupunturist said that type of problem is YANG deficience, no Yin. I dont trust chinese medicines since they can be fake and have lots of junk like heavy metals. Also, I recently did 20 sessions of acupuntur trating my kidneys, also moxabuston, but the problem stills. I still think its alla bout lust and toughts.

Also, I have no symptoms of kidney problems. No one. so...

Did you do as he suggests in the beginning of the book and have a well established MCO (microcosmic orbit) first, or did you just jump ahead to the retention practices? I'm guessing you did the second, which would explain the problems.

There is nothing like that on the beginning of the book. Also, Im not interested in discussing it. No offense. This topic is only a warning.

Stay mentally and physically busy constantly. This gives you no time to indulge in sexual thoughts.

 

The best place I experienced for training in celibacy was basic training for the military. The less women where you are, the better. The less free time, the better.

 

However, if you're purposely training to be celibate, you're already focusing too much on the goal and it will ruin your plans.

 

It's like reverse psychology. If I say "don't think about a red fire hydrant" guess what? You just did.

 

So your focus should be on other things...taking one day at a time. If you think about sex, you're already going down the wrong path, and it will quickly snowball into failure.

 

Other than being celibate for 100 days training, etc, I don't see much of a purpose in decreasing your sex drive. Guys are supposed to get horny! Unless you have a serious problem, like you compulsively masturbate every hour or something, maybe you should just chill out about it?

Beeing mentally and physically busy constantly its not enought for me. I work, I study and after 2 years the problem with premature ejac, stills. I must get rid of years of accumulated porn attached in my mind.

Anyway thanks you.

I'm saying this with complete sincerity and this isn't meant to be a joke. Masturbate. If you have thoughts of sex and lust is preoccupying your life, then masturbate. If you have a problem with excessive masturbation (I'll leave that up to you to decide), you may want to check out some types of treatment, but the fact is there's nothing wrong with lust, it's a basic natural physiological response, that we're intended to have. Masturbation is a completely natural way to deal with that innate desire.

 

Aaron

Thanks for your advice but after 2 years trying to control premature ejac. now I can say that that problem was caused by excessive masturbation and porn stuff attached in my mind. Thats why I can masturbate over 30 minutes if I dont think. But if some lust thought comes into my mind, then I imeddiately ejaculate. Even the smallest tought.

Well I have my own ways which work for me, i'm no "Master" but i know how things affect me and that many others who try what I have get amazing "results". One thing that I hope is obvious at this point, is to stop looking at porn, stop looking at women in lustful ways. What i've actually noticed is that what i've done changed the way I viewed everything really. I went from wanting women's bodies as sexual stimulation (eye candy) to wanting to see them happy. Lust is when you're focusing on your own pleasure, on "getting off" when when you focus on HER pleasure and you forget about your own, then you open up to a whole new reality. For example can you feel satisfied giving a girl full body massages, going down on them, etc and not getting anything sexual in return? If not then you're still held tightly in the jaws of lust, lol. Honestly I like the whole daoist saying "When your jing is full you won't think about sex", I doubt my jing is full but it's nice to be free to think of what I want to think of without having out of control urges bodily or otherwise. It's nice to be in control of my thoughts and actions

If you'd like to know my method jus say so, if you're set of getting a method from a "master" then I hope you find what you're looking for

 

-Astral

 

Edit: Twinner- Just to offer a counterpoint, there are alot who would say that lust isn't natural or balanced at all. While Attraction, Love and Intimacy are all great joys in life lust is unbalanced and often causes problems. From a spiritual persepctive I believe we were meant to be in control of our bodies, not a slave to thier urges (which in and of them selves I believe are unnatural and have causes which I won't get into). Just thought i'd offer another perspective. Peace to you/

Good points. Thats exactly what Im doing right now, dont reacting for lust stimulus, and also doing some meditaiton to train the mind to not respond. I dont masturbate more (2 years now), or better saying, I masturbate for traning to last more, but I end up without ejac.

bodri had a method for this problem,I will see if I can find the link or the epost i got.but mainly it is that you wisualize yourself as a red sun that is burning up and leaves you as empty space

I would like to see it. Thank you.

My intention with this topic is just to tell my experience doing the Chia's exercises from the book: THE MULTI ORGASMATIC MAN. I dont intend to blame no one or do any analisys. ITS JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

After 30 days doing the testicle breathing and the big draw, I had energy symptoms in all my corpse. Feets, belly, hands, back head and perineum. ALL TIME ALL DAY.

Feets, hands and belly was scratching. In perineum, a "a sexual sensation" the same when we get horny, but too strong!

Back head, a constant flow shiver ruffling my hair.

It would not be a bad sign if wasn't for the physiological symptoms. I started to have wet dreams every day, premature ejac. gone so bad that I could not even see my girlfriend, In truth, there was days when I had the imminent sensation of ejac. even without excitation.

I felt like a "sexual bomb", I know it can sound funny for those who are looking from outside. But was not for me. Thats why Im posting this.

After some research, now I know cases of impotence, terrible pains, prostatitis and insanity due to the practice of Chia's methods.

Im not judging the Method or the guy, I just say, based in my own experience, ITS DANGEROUS.

I know there will be practicioners who will flame me but my post is not for these ones. People please take care about those practices, that's my advice. Good wishes for all, including the one's who are recovering like me.

Im looking for some WELL KNOWN method from some master to get rid of lust.

I think lust causes me wet dreams and premature ejac. So Im trying to find a goog way to clean my mind of years of accumulated lust images provenient from pornography.

I can bet my monthly sallary that you're not reffering to the Inner Smile.

What gets people hurt is haste and greed. Of course, not uncommon.

things you were supposed to know

What are you talking about? I just said: im here because I became ill with Mantak Chia's exercises

THIS IS TRUTH! I BECAME ILL, only this.

Somethigs are too dangerous to be showed for people in a "commercial way".

Anyone can buy a book like I did.

Yes, the exercises are dangerous, yes they can break your body and your mind. Yes there was warnings on the book but they where insignificant and... well...A gun is safe if you know how to use, so why not liberate guns for all people, teenagers etc.?

I have one only reason for posting this: I dont want people to hurt themselves like me. I want to tell my own experience and how I suffered with it. Its only it. Those exercises can cause impottence, prostatitis, and insanity.