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They estimate in peak flu season deaths by flu total 750, whereas Cronovirus deaths in April were around 15,000 per week in the US. So they estimate it is between 10-44 times more deadly than the flu.

That is just deaths, also hospitalisations are much higher and long term effects are also more severe. 

Perhaps in the future if such a thing as herd immunity develops it might be comparable to the flu, but not at the moment, not by a long shot. 

Yes second pandemic is the wave of stupidity, wave of inconsideration and selfishness, wave of conspiracy theories and that pandemic seems to be growing at a similar rate to the actual virus.

5 hours ago, forestofemptiness said:

I definitely have mixed feelings about Adyashanti. I think a large issue (which many consider a strength) is his lack of grounding in a tradition. Accordingly, while he speaks well (to a point), he doesn't seem able to lead others to the realization he himself has attained (disclaimer: I do not necessarily agree with his definition of enlightenment either). He certainly lacks the length and breadth of practical techniques one would typically find in an established tradition, as well as the corpus of doubt settling commentaries. 

 

From the article:

 

 

Of course, the tradition he is talking about is a very particular one: Western Zen. I do not disagree with his assessment. Yet I wonder how he would assess his own success rate, 16 years later, as a teacher. Certainly he has earned a good living, but has he been largely successful in awakening others? It seems he has certainly taught a certain rhetoric that many Adyashanti-inspired teachers mimic. However, these teachers strike me as a bit hollow. 

 

Even with the best teachers, I imagine the success rate is fairly low, due to the various capabilities of students. 

 

With respect I think you are incorrect on both points, he is grounded in Zen Buddhism, his main teacher was Arvis Joen Justi in the lineage of Taizan Maezumi Roshi and studied under many Zen teachers.

In terms of bringing others to similar realisation I haven't found many people with a better record, there are dozens of people who publicly teach now who attribute their awakening to his teaching and influence, I could probably dig out a long list, and hundreds more who aren't public.

I have personally been on three of his silent retreats and they are some of the most powerful things I have done in my life in my journey so far. 

2 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

With the endless posts and questions of me in the past, you have to know that this is not true.  Please do not make up things.

 

I have even explained this point earlier in this thread.

I don't know this isn't true, and can't find any evidence to the contrary, it's pretty consistent of you to suggest to people that they see you as a blonde woman when working spiritually, ie polarities reversed... Which is your own concept not found anywhere else in any other systems, completely your own invention.... and suggestion to others . 

The whole fundamental premise of the energy work they do is based upon the idea that in the spiritual/energy/light realm that polarities are reversed. So men become women and visa versa, at least in perception.

This is an idea completely unique to them, nobody sees things this way, out of thousands of seers, psychics Shamen and adepts who have navigated these realms and traditions who have mapped them none of them have confirmed that concept, at least none that I have ever found.  It is something invented by them based upon a loose interpretation of a Christian Scripture. Not even the great Christian master's like Daskalos see things that way.

So either everyone else who navigates these realms is wrong and they are right, or they have got the fundamental concept of their entire work wrong.

When I tried it out myself it was suggested to me that this is the way it is before I could form any genuine perception, so they frame the experience for others based upon their own delusion rather than let it form naturally. 

There are thousands of biographies and books you can read about the historical saints and sages through the ages, who explain their path and practices in some detail; some great adepts, Buddhists, Sufis, Hindus, Taoists... yet not a single one I have ever come across says they turn into a big tittied blonde woman when you connect with them spiritually 😂. Im into some out there things but this is some crazy shit right here. 

22 minutes ago, EmeraldHead said:

There's an indian woman AMMA or something. The physical hugs she gives are coupled with the exact same 'hug' that Jeff teaches us to do to access his space or anyone's really...

Errr no, I have experienced both and they are world's apart. Jeff hugging you is more like being hugged by a predator, like Jimmy Saville, Amma on the other hand is unpolluted pure love.

The ego co-ops everything, including spiritual practices and experiences, it's a bit like the Borg. So most spiritual people are usually more egotistical than regular folk it is just more subtle and sophisticated form of egotism 

In every age there are divine beings incarnating into human form, according to one such incarnation Meher Baba said there are five Avatars for every age, some remain hidden as that is the best way for them to complete their work, others do their work publicly. A few names include:

Neem Keroli Baba

Jesus Christ

Meher Baba

Mata Amritanandamayi Devi

There are some in the world now you can go visit, yet if you do so the light of consciousness there is so strong that it will shine the light on all that which is unconscious and hidden within darkness and shame in you, bringing bit to the surface, which most people have no interest in confronting, so many people will run a mile if they ever met one  possibility even try to kill them. 

So only people at a later stage of their incarnational journey would even be interested in spending time with such beings, or at least people who have run out of places to turn to try to avoid what is within them.

There are a cluster of people who spam every thread with their inane mind drivel, which is why I ended up not posting any more, if you ban them all you might get some decent discussion again here. 

Not exactly impartial reporting, the first part of it accusers her of being obese which is ridiculous, she isn't obese at all, infact anyone can go watch her for 24 hour stretches without eating a mouthful.

Most of the claims in Gail Treadwell's books have been countered by others who were there. I personally know quite a few people in Ammas inner circles and they have never witnessed anything like that.

There were a few people who have accused Amma in the past, all so far have apologised years later saying it was their own inner resistance and ego coming out and projecting on the outside what they couldn't bare to see in themselves.

Try see a professional healer of body worker and see what they say or recommend. 

All our bodies are bound up with emotional/karmic imprints which twist us up to different degrees, Western medicine is unlikely to help much with this unless you need surgery of some kind. 

8 minutes ago, Trunk said:

 

I’m not sure which way to read your post.  (?).

(And people are so divided in this thread, it could be either... )

 

Those “who believes in common decency and some level of morality”...

Are you saying there are none in the GOP?, or none in the Democratic party?

... or something more complex that I’ve not guessed?

 

 

I'm saying that the Republican Party have sold their soul , they have given up even any attempt at maintaining any principal for a bit of power 

Also that there is so little room for nuiance that if anyone stands up for basic morality a large proportion of people immediately label them leftist. 

So is anyone who believes in common decency and some level of morality a member of "the left" now? I thought those values are meant to be the the backbone of the Republican Party? Looks like everything has gone backwards or upside down 

1 hour ago, Stosh said:

I expected you were going to do that ploy , same as CT, claim you are somehow neutral because you aren't in the US.

Its bull,  because you still have an opinion , a slant , which is a result of preferred exposure to a certain point of view. 

When you voiced your opinion , you took your side. 

You were asked , where you were from.

Did you miss that ? I want to verbally attack and insult your leader. 

 

"If Omar is illegal then deport her, if not then it's just plain racism."

Hell no , that's a ridiculous statement.

She should be deported for endorsing terrorism, prosecuted for evading taxes, ridiculed for marrying her brother. 

 

 

 

 

I have an opinion and a slant, my opinion is you have made a professional Twitter Troll your President :) . As much as I enjoyed him taking down all the empty suits and lackeys they lined up from the establishment to try to make President the guy is nuts. I thought i'd would be fun to see him mix things up but in reality all I see from him is more of the same in the sense that he is putting into power the exact same people making the same rich people richer, despite saying he didn't want more wars he has hired people like warmonger Bolton to stir up trouble and a bunch of corporate lobbyists in key positions.

I live in the UK, you can insult our leaders as much as you like, I won't be personally insulted by it .There are certain ones I support and vote for more than others but I have enough flexibility to be able to call them out on it when they mess up or act in ways I find despicable, i'm not blindly loyal no matter what they do which oddly seems to be the case with Trump, he can literally do anything and he won't lose support, its more like a cult with blind allegiance.

Also with his recent attacks it isn't just Omar he is attacking, he is attacking the others who are born in the USA, I don;t see how the Republican Party can stand by and not call him out on this, it is so polarized that there are literally no moral standards left

1 hour ago, Stosh said:

Back in the good ol days ,a man was allowed his opinions , and had free speech.

And it was understood that along with this freedom one would just have to suck it up, that sometimes what was said ,was not pleasing to the listener.

That's what free speech is. 

To hear you insinuate that everyone needs to protect your little virgin ears is frankly anti American, and making a big ado about the significance of his statement, just shows the partisan spin you need to put on that which is virtually Nothing . It means it's just another bogus attack on your part ,to make anything of it.

 

When someone ticks you off, it's possible you have said things with the express intent of 'returning the favor'.

 

Frankly I am surprised I need to explain this to y'all , such an inability to understand this low level of subtlety ,is usually reserved for those with serious mental disabilities.

A man has free speech, while the leader of the country has responsibilities which mean he shouldn't go around spouting anything which comes into his head because there are serious consequences. If you don't understand that subtlety then maybe the dementia is creeping in?

If Omar is illegal then deport her, if not then it's just plain racism.

I have no horse in this race as I don't live in the US, so have no preference for any political side. I have watched Trump most his life and used to quite like him on the Apprentice, but electing him as your leader I found hilarious as he is more or less just a traditional con man, a kind of guy you wouldn't buy a car from, but now he's being openly racist (and rational people are defending him no matter what he does) it becomes more worrying.

So you guys have no problem with Trump being openly racist ? "Send them back" is a phrase with a racist history and racist connotations, there is not even any attempt to cover it up now, it's a deliberate strategy. 

Of course such rhetoric is divisive , this isn't some liberal media conspiracy dividing your country, your President is plainly and openly courting it. 

Didn't SOTG just invent his whole system himself? Does he have a human teacher or is it learned from books ?

So what is the alternative to May? There is nobody, Boris or Gove , complete imbeciles with absolute zero electibility. What baffles me is that there is a part of the Tory party who have been campaigning on this for generations, but now they are in the position they have been working for they have absolutely no idea what to do... pathetic

The worst thing which could come out of this is if we end up with a trade deal with the USA which opens us up to the absolute horrors of American agriculture and food. Chlorinated chicken, hormone injected beef, GM crops, all at cut price , the only down side is the long term health and welfare of the future of all our future generations. An abundance of unnatural chemicals and hormones pumped into our bloodstreams in the name of freedom.

After which the American pharmaceutical companies will start pimping their drugs to us at inflated prices in the name of health promotion. 

I just pray that we are entrenched enough in the EU that we can can be saved from such a situation. 

You can't possibly get any more establishment than Jacob Reece-Mog. Boris, Gove, Farage are all firmly entrenched in the establishment, you can't possibly believe that Leave is led by anti establishment figures. 

Also I very much doubt there would be any trouble if we remained, London voted to stay as well as most big urban areas, it's all the small remote rural areas who voted leave, mostly old peoplle. What are they going to smash up apart from their local bus stop?

The person with the greatest vitality/longevity is probably the Dalai Lama, who is 83 but still traveling the world teaching and full of energy, his American doctors say he has the constitution of a man half his age. I am sure his Buddhist practice helps but if you look at his routine he gets up every morning and goes on a treadmill, before having a bowl of cornflakes! I think it is likely if you asked him though he would say his secret is warm-heartedness.

But no matter what practice you do genetics are always going to play a major part in your health, health practices and stress reduction can influence genetic expression to some extent but never fully , you are always going to have the genetic history of your two family lineages to contend with. If your ancestors lived through a famine no doubt that "memory" is going to be encoded in your system in some way influencing your health. 

I have studied the Fourth Way pretty extensively and Ouspensky's in Search of the Miraculous is a wonderful book which documents a period of the work of Gurdjieff. I would recommend reading Gurdjieff's Meetings With Remarkable Men next. 

The teachings Ousepensky offers are only partial though in the sense he provides a lot of the mental or intellectual side of things, whereas the more complete Fourth Way involves working on all centres at once, so a critical aspect is the movements or dances, music, as well as all the work of self observation and remembering and conscious suffering.

Group work is also  essential but the modern Fourth Way groups are very variable in quality, some of which have gone off the deep end, so I'd be careful. 

If you really want to go into the teachings it involves reading Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales, which is some undertaking. 

Good question. It is a pretty universal message that you will get absolutely nothing from enlightenment (as there isn't a you there to achieve it) , so really enlightenment is only for those who are done with life or gone through so much karmic existance that there is nowhere left to go , or you have run out of places to run to avoid the truth.

So if you enjoy life I would just enjoy it fully, forget about enlightenment, it will catch up with you in the end anyway.

Thoughts aren't the problem it is the identification with thoughts that is the glue which fixates attention and energy.

No matter how much you tame your mind thoughts will keep on thinking just as your lungs keep on breathing, it's a function of being human.