Gauss

I advice everyone to read the book called Zhuan Falun, the most printed cultivation book(100s of million copies) in recent times. Of course it is the main scripture in Falun Dafa Qi Gong.

Here is the web link: http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

/Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance is good, Falun Dafa is good

To assimilate myself to the cosmic characteristics of Zhen-Shan-Ren(Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance) and to help other people achieve this mental state. If I can do that I will stay alive as long as this Universe stays alive.

Sorry, this thread ended up in the wrong forum. I move it to the book discussion, sorry again for the inconvenience..

/Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance is good, Falun Dafa is good

Regarding Falun and Li Hongzhi:

 

They don't follow the way described in the tao te ching. They may perform some actions derived from qi gong, but other than that, it has nothing to do with taoism. I'd add, it's directly counter to the useful taoist way in major aspects. Really only useful if you want to suffer.

 

As for which is more of a cult, the Chinese government or Hongzhi... they both are. Chinese government exerts forceful jurisdiction over all in the land, while Falun uses the softer control tactics of doomsday prophecy, psychological tactics and shunning. At least you can ignore Falun if you live in China.

 

All forms of government seek to gain control at the expense of compassion.

Falun Dafa is about Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance in daily life. As for doomsday Falun Dafa practitioners say that if you just know that Falun Dafa exists and that it is good, you will get lucky. We ask for nothing from anyone, there is no money involved and there is no membership. If you ask me Falun Dafa is the pure land of this world, the positive force in this world balancing the dark side of society.

Just my two cents.

Gauss, let me ask a question...Can you be considered a Falun Dafa member if you think there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, all people go to the same afterlife, and the founder isn't the highest being known to man? Genuinely curious.

There is no "membership" in Falun Dafa. There are genuine Falun Dafa cultivators and it is only Master Li who can judge who is a genuine cultivator and not. Just because I say I am a genuine Dafa cultivator that does not mean I really am one.

In fact I would guess that a genuine Dafa cultivator already reached minimum Gong level 6 or 7(seventh heaven of the religion, equivalent to the high level of in triple world cultivation) and can enter into real Ding during double Lotus meditation. That is what my gut instinct tells me and no truth whatsoever. For some people that standard may be very hard to reach in one lifetime. If someone has massive karma and hence a poor inborn quality one must be particularly strong to be able to pull through to that level I believe.

All people absolutely will not go to the same afterlife, you know there is a reincarnation cycle and an immortal status for the very best cultivators. Where people end up depend on their actions in life, how much karma they have and how many attachments they have. If they want to improve or not, if they have faith or not etc.

As mentioned before homosexuality violates the Yin-Yang principle of the universe so as a genuine FD cultivator you would not want to go in that direction since you would accumulate karma.

About Li Hongzhi, as a genuine cultivator you will know in your heart who he is.

And I really do believe, at this stage, that the most important thing is that people know that FD exists and that it is a good thing. That will make a huge difference to them in the near future.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Over to something else and very uplifting.

Nostradamus calls the Lord of Lords different names in his quatrains:

"Chiren Selin" and "Libra" are two names frequently used.

As for ChiRen SeLiN I believe it means: Chi(Qi)Ren(Tolerance, Endurance, Patience in Chinese) Se("Watch" in Swedish)Li(obvious)N(means One or The One in Swedish). FD has Zhen-Shan-Ren as its highest principle and of course FD is Qi Gong at the highest level. "Qi-Ren Watch Li The One" - this should be the essence of Nostradamus words.

So Nostradamus points out in Chinese(FD was spread from China) and Swedish(Falun is in Sweden) who is the Lord of Lords in his quatrains. Pretty intricate and amazing stuff in retrospective.

The second name used by Nostradamus is Libra and it means "Balance" in Latin and in Swedish "Li-Good".

As for Scandinavian mythology there are several names for the Lord of Lords:

Heimdal, Heimdali, Heimdallr, Heimdall etc. All these names are themes on Home-Valley(s) and Home-Valley-Li. The Valleys in Sweden is a region and its capital is the city of Falun.... Incredible. So one of the names used, Heimdali, gives the whole answer about the Lord of Lords: Falun-Li.

Then there are other names such as Gullintanne and Hallinskide used in Scandinavian mythology.

Hallinskide becomes Hall-Li-N-Ski-De. Hall of Li(like the heaven of "Valhall") meaning "Li´s Heaven".

Hall-Li-N(the One)-Ski(Qi-energy)-De(virtue in Chinese) becomes "Li the One´s Heaven - Qi(energy) and Virtue" - an incredibly refined and simple etymology at the same time.

Gullintanne becomes Gul(yellow in Swedish, Li is Chinese and always dressed in a yellow practice suit)-Li-N(the one)-Tan(Tao reference?)-Ne(Born in Latin/French?).

Incredibly obvious again no matter what the two last parts(Tan-Ne) mean.. Note that the old highest God in Scandinavia was called "Wotan" - an obvious reference to China and Daoism.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Falun Dafa makes even the catholic church sound open minded! I mean seriously, why is such homophobia being tolerated here? I may not know about homosexuality first hand but there are several gay men and women in my Sangha and they are as compassionate and wise as us if not more in most cases. To equate them with liars, thieves, adulterers and murderers is nothing less than racism of sorts.

 

Now doesn't Falun Dafa claim itself to be based on Buddhism? Even the Dalai Lama has changed his position on homosexuality off late, even if it is for political reason.

 

I am offering my truth and I am not offering you any money! Why should I?

Falun Dafa has strict rules for their disciples that are in line with the highest principles of the universe. Our Master, Li Hongzhi, has defined which actions create (black)karma in other dimensions and those actions we avoid in order to be able to reach a higher cultivation level. If we accumulate black karma in other dimensions how could we ascend and become purer and purer? Black karma can only be eliminated by suffering and if we suffer too much we can not cultivate. As for homosexuality it is said it violates the principle of Yin-Yang in other dimensions.

Whatever other people do is fine to us. In fact we try to be tolerant and kind to all kinds of people in all situations, how else could we be compassionate and unattached to worldly matters? So if some actions(ie homosexuality) is popular in today´s society, in modern religions, sects or in other organizations that is fine with us. We just don´t do those actions ourselves because we want to cultivate towards high levels.

Falun Dafa belongs to the Buddha school but who dictates the rules of the Buddha school? Is it everyday people or is it the laws of the universe?

Can a school become a righteous Buddha law school just because some person states that his school belongs to the Buddha school and he agrees with modern society´s laws and regulations? Must not a Buddha Law school assimilate itself to the laws of the universe to be able to call itself a Buddha Law School?

Buddhism states that everyday society is an illusion, I agree with that statement.

Just my two cents at my wisdom level, no truth offered whatsoever.

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Perhaps there is a slight language thing here, but you still speak as if the act of interracial marriage, sex, etc. is a warped behaviour, even though the child is not at fault for being born to interracial parents.

 

Your word choices in this post also point to a deeply embedded racism, and I'm sure most if not all of the many intelligent people on this site can see them quite easily by the way the sentences follow.

 

There are prejudiced and ignorant people all over the world. I already know this. For some reason they are so unwilling to realize their inconsistencies and do something about it.

You insist on labelling me as disliking interracial marriage and mixed race people. You also label me as a racist no matter what I write. Is it not my Master who knows what I like or dislike in my heart? And if I like or dislike something in my heart, is it not an attachment that must be eradicated anyway in my cultivation?

I can tell you that I know a Dafa cultivator who is half white, half black and he is married to someone who is something like latin/middle east.... He is also very well educated like many other Dafa practitioners and his IQ is not low either. Do you think he would practice Dafa if it was not righteous?...

You are welcome anyway and as a Falun Dafa cultivator I am asked to happily accept everyday society and all kinds of people. I must thank you for your perseverance on this matter, I may test my "Ren" here and for that I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

What Falun Dafa is talking about is the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren, and you are asked to turn to "Shan" - goodness in daily life. This principle is said to be the highest law of the universe and if a person assimilates to that principle he will attain the "Dao".

Falun Dafa is the fastest growing spiritual movement ever during this civilization. Also it would not have been persecuted if it was unrighteous. If something genuinely positive like FD is created the universe will automatically create something bad to oppose it. This is the automatic principle of Yin-Yang(electron-proton in physics) that all Dafa cultivators must live with. We can see it very clearly here, can´t we?

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

That's insulting to anyone with bi-racial parents, since you are saying they engage in warped sinful behaviour by being together.

 

You are repeating the same message again and refuse to read or accept what I wrote in my later replies. That is of course up to you but my attention is fading quickly.

"Warped behaviour" and "being born of mixed race" are not the same things at all. "Behaviour" is a verb and a "mixed race person" is an adjective.

I put my sentence in a bad way originally because I was in a hurry and I excused myself for that already and I clarified several times. I drop this now and if you can not drop it that is fine by me too.

Anyway, if society becomes a mixed race society, how can two single human beings be blamed for that state of society?

They can not be blamed at all since they just follow the trend of modern society and marry people of other races. Hence this is not a warped behaviour in modern society anymore. And a cultivator is asked to happily accept everything in society no matter how society looks at that moment in time. Society is just an illusion anyway.

Many people believe that mankind "rules" society and everyday people decide which behaviour is good and bad by laws etc. The future will tell us who really decides.

I will not reply to repetitive statements anymore, I have explained and clarified this principle well enough and I have not intended to insult anyone.

Thanks again for your time and energy.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Your racism is so deeply entrenched that you don't even KNOW how racist you are. You equate people dating outside of their race as a WARPED behaviour, even to put it in the same category --- LOOK AT THE CATEGORY YOU JUST PUT IT IN.

Maybe you know that a "warped behaviour" is an action - a verb.

Being of mixed race can not be an action since you are born that way.

"Warped behaviours" are typically lieing, stealing, cheating, promiscuity, homosexuality, using drugs etc. Those are all actions - actions are called verbs in the English language I believe.

If someone dates a person from another race that is an action but I never said that dating a person from another race was a warped action. In FD there are many people with mixed marriages.

In any case, I try to cultivate and you help me alot, thanks for all your support.

I am no racist and never will be - of course you have a free will and you may imagine or believe that I am a racist, that is up to you.

The central word "Ren" in Falun Dafa includes tolerance.

As mentioned before(to those wishing to read or listen), anyone from any gender or race, mixed or not, can cultivate to consummation in Falun Dafa. Everyone has the same possibilities.

So the factual discussion needs no further explanation. Besides all orthodox cultivation forms demand that you eliminate all your worldly attachments(racism included) if you want to consummate. This dimension is an illusion acording to Buddhism and Falun Dafa does not oppose that view.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

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C'mon man...How is that not racist? Warped behavior?

 

You're basically saying its unnatural but you've grown to accept it. Sounds like the enlightened sage Archie Bunker.

Please read my earlier replies before posting repetitive statements(I copy-paste from page 13 below):

You interpret my words in a wrong way, let us clarify and quote the exact sentence:

"Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society."

I did not say above that a mixed race person is "warped" in any way. Warped behaviours are something very different than the fact that we have mixed race people on earth today.

The choice of words of mine were not very good above, excuse me for that. I believe those who wish to understand me will understand me.

Warped behaviours that an FD cultivator tries to avoid in order to be able to reach high Gong levels are typically the ones religion tells us to avoid like using drugs, stealing, telling lies, murder, promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality etc etc.

Basically just being a good person in the traditional sense. But of course we respect all other people irrespective of what they choose to do in their lives. Everyone has a free will and we respect it and tolerate all people.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

As far as I'm aware it is only the Falun Dafa cultivators who say that segregation exists in other dimensions, I have not heard a Taoist, Shaman or Buddhist say such things about which suggests to me that it is bs.

I never said there was "segregation" of any sort. There are countless numbers of dimensions and paradises and an unimaginable number of sentient beings. If the Lord has put certain beings(ie certain birds) in certain paradises, he has his good reasons for that and I trust in him.

The important thing to me is that we by cultivation of Falun Dafa can return to our proper place in this cosmic body and consummate ourselves and become perfectly happy again.

I rest my case here.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever

they build rules around it. (ie not in our dimension )

 

 

"They"(cultivators at high levels) are just observers in other dimensions, it is not like "they" build any of those paradises by themselves or try to cover up some earthly dimension racism by speaking about other dimensions.

To make an analogy: How many Christians today understand Jesus when he speaks of God(Yahweh), angels, demons and loving your enemy? There are different levels of enlightenment and many cultivators can reach quite high and see many things during meditation.

During meditation "they" see scenes from other dimensions and "they" can tell you a little bit about how it looks there. And if there are phoenix paradises, lion paradises, yellow paradises, red paradises, black paradises, white paradises etc etc and they see all of these things, should they lie about what they saw when visiting those places?

And hence loose their supernormal powers because of wrongdoing from lieing? Everyday people will dismiss it all as fantasies anyway.

According to the Many Worlds Theory of quantum mechanics you have a different body in many, many other dimensions. This is not some sort of hallucinations, I say that this is modern science at a higher level.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Hey, i would be the first to congratulate you when your aspirations are met. Thats not why i am busting your bells. I have explained myself - and its nothing personal. Everyone deserves to attain their wishes for happiness and freedom.

 

In the meantime, please practice some mindfulness around your choice of word usage.

 

Thats all.

Thanks and your advice is good and well received.

I am too quick when writing sometimes and that is due to my attachment to time that needs to be eliminated.

Inherent differences...

 

Definition of warp - aberration/to become bent or twisted.

 

"Buddha: With his wisdom, a Buddha really understands the truth, whereas ordinary people live like in a dream, an illusion that prevents us from understanding reality properly."

The flesh body color is irrelevant since the flesh body dimension is an illusion.

We speak about different "worlds" and I would like to go to a higher "world" soon and stop wasting my time at my current level.

I hope you can understand me or at least respect my wish to do that.

Hi Michael,

 

It was just that one sentence where he implied the magnanimity of FD in accepting the warped behavior of mix races that i found rather off-putting. What is so warped about mixed races?

 

I reiterate - it was an idiotic statement, and one only idiots can make.

 

He then implied i was blind to what he actually meant, which is like adding an extra layer of filth on top of the one already created. I did not even bother to reply to that.

 

Why should anyone condone such outpourings of discriminative platitudes?

You interpret my words in a wrong way, let us clarify and quote the exact sentence:

"Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society."

I did not say above that a mixed race person is "warped" in any way. Warped behaviours are something very different than the fact that we have mixed race people on earth today.

The choice of words of mine were not very good above, excuse me for that. I believe those who wish to understand me will understand me.

Warped behaviours that an FD cultivator tries to avoid in order to be able to reach high Gong levels are typically the ones religion tells us to avoid like using drugs, stealing, telling lies, murder, promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality etc etc.

Basically just being a good person in the traditional sense. But of course we respect all other people irrespective of what they choose to do in their lives. Everyone has a free will and we respect it and tolerate all people.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

I think I'm seeing from the last explanation that he meant it is actually impossible to have a mixed race main spirit. Given that physical racial types can be inhabited by spirits of a different race, it could be said that it doesn't care what race someone is; however, it still seems to believe that each race is inhabited primarily by the spirit of the same race, and that each race is inherently different. Though not as horribly racist as the first impression that was given, this still subscribes to racialist views, nonetheless.

 

So, I would be very interested to hear what these "functions" of each race are... Sounds pretty similar to Darwinist views without hearing the rest of it. Like "blacks were meant to do physical things" when in reality, the ancient Egyptians were black and started pretty much every spiritual and scientific theory known to man. This doesn't mean blacks are superior, it just means that maybe they got here first.

Definition of racism from Wikipedia: "Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, justify the different treatment of those people, both socially and legally."

The above stated relates to the flesh body dimension and has nothing to do with the other dimensions that I speak of.

As I just told you, all races(flesh body dimension races we speak of here), in my opinion, should abide to the laws in the country they inhabit and that means the same laws should apply to all different people of a country.

Hence I am no racist, by definition.

In cultivation there are identical demands on a cultivator(at least during in-triple-world cultivation that I know something about) no matter which flesh body race he belongs to.

Whatever else you claim outside these definitions is your personal opinion and I will not waste my time on meaningless discussions. I know in my heart that I respect other people irrespective of their skin colour and that is all that counts in my cultivation. If a cultivator is a racist I would say that that person has an attachment to intolerance and his xinxing is not up to par on this point.

If you now start to claim that if a person believes other dimensions have different paradises with different spirit colors and say that these cultivators then are racists because of having seen that situation with their third eye - that is up to you....

In my humble opinion, someone is ruling and running this universe and his plan does not take human notions of flesh body colors into consideration in other dimensions when he builds the cosmic body. His plan is the best and I trust in him.

Secondly, if black people - on average - tend to have more black main spirits or not, and if whites tend to have a white spirit on average etc etc, I do not know if that is true or not and I never said that is the case - like you try to imply.

What is said in Falun Dafa is that in this universe there are countless dimensions and there are many different paradises with many different kinds of beings. And they are not limited to the races seen on planet earth. Any earthly knowledge is nothing more than superficial knowledge and it does not make my cultivation level(xinxing level) increase at all and hence I should not focus on such matters at all.

If interested in creation myths, you could read Hopi prophecies or Norse mythologies who speak about three or four different races/original people on earth being responsible for different functions in the universe, such myths are riddles though and everyone must enlighten by himself. I guess that when someone really knows these matters at the beyond triple world Fa level he would not tell people about it and those are heavenly secrets anyway.

Hopi prophecy:

And so He gave each of us a responsibility, and we call that the Guardianship. To the Indian people, the red people, He gave the Guardianship of the Earth. We were to learn during this cycle of time the teachings of the earth, the plants that grow from the earth, the foods that you can eat, and the herbs that heal so that, when we came back together with the other sisters and brothers, we could share this knowledge with them. Something good was to happen on the earth.

To the South He gave the yellow race of people the Guardianship of the Wind. They were to learn about the sky and breathing and how to take that within ourselves for spiritual advancement. They were to share that with us at this time.

To the West He gave the black race of people the Guardianship of the Water. They were to learn the teachings of the water, which is the chief of the elements, being the most humble and the most powerful. The elders have told me that the black people would bring the teachings of the water.

To the North He gave the white race of people the Guardianship of the Fire. If you look at the center of many of the things they do, you will find the fire. They say a light bulb is the white man's fire. If you look at the center of a car you will find a spark. If you look at the center of the airplane and the train you will find the fire. The fire consumes, and also moves. This is why it was the white sisters and brothers who began to move upon the face of the earth and reunite us as a human family.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

This insinuation is downright insulting to those who are of mixed ethnicity. Reminds me of that guy who nearly succeeded in creating a 'superior' race of people - no need to name names.

 

Each time such remarks appear, the sky darkens in this part of the world.

Did you listen to what I just said? Or did you not understand that I spoke about other dimensions?

I was just saying that it does not matter how your flesh body looks(mixed or not does not matter) in this dimension since the main spirit is what counts in other dimensions and it is always of one colour. It has no connection to your flesh body colour in this dimension. You misunderstand me completely. When a main spirit is born in another dimension he is always born with a specific colour in that dimension. When he comes down here he can have a flesh body of other colors, that is irrelevant in other dimensions.

This is just the situation in other dimensions and there are plenty of mixed race Dafa practitioners and they are the same as other practitioners in other dimensions. Flesh colour does not matter at all in cultivation, everyone can cultivate in Dafa no matter how they look in this dimension. Ie a yellow flesh body may even have a white main spirit and the inverse can be true too..

By the way, in my opinion, generally speaking - on average - Asian people have a higher consummation level(original level) than white people. This is because many of them live in the highest realms of the cosmic body.

That is why Asia is called the divine continent. And no, I am not of yellow flesh body or main spirit colour(I believe...) and no I am not a racist of any sort..

The general trend of society(what is politically correct or not etc) goes in any direction it wants, I will not care about all that since it is out of my control anyway. And if people can not or do not want to understand the concept of many dimensions there is not much I can do about that either.

Quantum mechanics has had their "Many-Worlds-Theory" for decades, and it pretty much matches the Falun Dafa theory of many dimensions, but people in general don´t pay attention to such matters.

I try to tolerate all other people and want to be kindhearted to all people no matter what they do or did.

Just my two cents at my wisdom level, no truth offered whatsoever.

I'm still confused here. Maybe, its me. The system clearly believes in racial segregation at some level and everyone is okay with this? Nobody has said...Wow, that's WRONG.

 

It seems as though everyone is more apt to say "Well, it is good for chi cultivation".

We have been through this many times, let us take it once more.

Falun Dafa practitioners may marry people of other races, many FD practitioners are married to people of other races. Hence FD is not against people mixing races.

If CCP propaganda claims the opposite, well that is just wicked propaganda and evil lies spread by an evil organization that tries to turn people against Dafa.

Li Hongzhi has explained that in all other dimensions races(main spirits of people are of one race, ie black, white or yellow) are not mixed since that would make it impossible to enter a heavenly paradise(as I understand it all races have special tasks to perform in the enormous cosmic body and that is the real reason for creating all the races) - this is strictly scientific and has nothing to do with our modern society´s notions of racism etc.

And Dafa is compassionate to all people no matter how they look or live their lives.

Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society. And whether the flesh body is of mixed race is irrelevant to the main spirit which is of one race anyway and that paradise in that dimension is where the person belongs and where he was originally born and where he can comsummate himself if he cultivates well.

This situation has also been observed by many Dafa cultivators during meditation.

Dafa cultivation is absolutely Gong cultivation, not Chi cultivation.

Just my understanding at my wisdom level, no truth whatsoever is offered.