TheTaoBum

Ok guys, i think i found him

im not lucas. stop assuming this is how this whole mess started lucas is lucas. his pic and address is on the blog use that info to find him.

Goldentaoist,

Its been proven also that Lucas Huang address is not in Brisbane. Nobody lives at 121 queen street, its a sham and all hot air ! On Amuletforums They are saying he is from malaysia and is really named rashid ismael. And i think those guys should know.

I went to 121 queen street and it is a joke man. Its just a random address he used, nothing to do with anything related to lucas huang whatsoever ! Complete total fiction again.

The Telephone number also has nothing to do with anybody even remotely named lucas huang . I called that too ! Its all BS, the entire thing,address,etc.

Christ if this guy is the scammer you say, do you really think he would be using his own address and telephone number ? Queen street and the telephone number are complete bollocks.

Btw, i have emailed lucas huang everything that has been posted here. After all, he done the right thing by me and i have nothing to complain about. and guess what... he said there are three or four same people making trouble for him all over the net in different id's to destroy his business. and i tend to believe him.

Ah, more 'helpful advice' from a stellar TaoBum member. You already "bought into it" by offering your earlier "advice" regarding a novice, remember? You were being "realistic" (see above TTB's post). Well, which is it, realistic black magic or Freddy Kreuger? And now you're making fun of him? Sounds like he nailed you correctly, chum. You don't come across as legit in any way.

Christ what are you talking about. I gave him the best possible advice in the world. Whether or not wang wants to get involved is another story. I think he has other things to do besides saving the world.

But still good advice nonetheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOmczPjeh2U

ROFL

Well, for what it's worth, I believe Mo Pai Guy's suspicions about you are correct, and you just popped in on his thread here to intimidate him in the guise of offering helpful "advice".

Well for what its worth, i dont think pie guy has nailed anything correctly in the past month. All his accusations turned out to be nothing more then mass paranoia & mistaken identity. I would seriously look at the training your doing as it seems to be affecting your rational.

Now he is seeking protection from taoist black magic and your all buying into that too Whats next, freddy krueger and elm street, Giant snakes attacking you in the night ?

Come on guys

Thanks for your input, it's really helpful.

Being realistic is helpful yes. Sitting here saying not to worry or trying to get a novice to recite spells,draw fu's is suicide. Again if you truly feel threatened Then you have to find a teacher or somebody at least that is capable of offering some protection.

Ooh, nice try at a mind f*ck, TheTaoBum. Don't listen to him More Pie, he's full of shit.

I say again, its impossible for a novice to defend against somebody experienced. No mind f#### about it, just a fact.

No clue about casting spells, or rituals, or potions or any other of that jazz related to western or eastern magick, I only know the most basic of meditations and exercises associated with longmen pai. I'm a whelp

 

I've never seen any reason to believe in magick, but I'd rather be safe then sorry.

 

Thanks for your advice.

Well its impossible for a novice to protect themself against an expert. Your best bet would be to contact Ken or Kathy. Perhaps they can give your photo to master wang and he might be able to put some kind of blanket around you. Your already in the water pie and if you dont learn to swim then you go under.

Link seems to be down now

So who are these two guys on the website ?

http://barangthailand.blogspot.com/2011/03/obituary_26.html

I wonder if it has anything to do with whats been happening here.

Hey MPG.

 

From what you have said you fit the description of a person on the pratyekabuddha path to a T. As for Buddhists claiming to have freed themselves from rebirth, well if someone claims to be a Arhat (aka Arahant), part of that is being free from ever having to be reborn again, at least not in the desire realm (not sure about the technical details). Daniel Ingram is an example of a Buddhist teacher who claims to be a Arhat.

 

There are many forms of "immortality" that people talk about. The Mo Pai idea of being able to retain your Yang qi after death does not sound like freedom from rebirth for all time because it did not cut the root of unconscious rebirth. More like you would get to be in spirit form, who knows for how long, but eventually you would be reborn. Don't know if that is acceptable to you.

I read on verdesi's forum long ago that arhat or its equal (If there is one?) is somewhere around level Two or Three Mo-Pai. This theory was also supported by denty and some other ex students too.

Thanks.

Ok, just when you thought it was going to end

I was emailed some very interesting information & not sure if its been posted here.

http://www.edgeofgrace.net/2010/06/19/qigong-quacks-frauds-and-dangerous-egos/

This guy has a history of doing this. Note the name of the "Lineage" Mr Wu Jing claims to be from ! Sound familiar ?

If you call that half, Fair enough. What is most necessary is TTB took money, returned only half (From what I believe).

 

He should have been dealt with. EG is another story I'll agree alittle more complex. Although in my opinion he isn't much different.

 

Sorry to break your heart.

Where the hell is my refund for sending the book which supposedly never arrived ? All you people are crying like babies yet i sent a book i paid good $$$ for with my own money now get strung up like this ! I completed my end of the deal yet still end up castrated.

As far as im concerned it been worked out with MPG. So talking with anybody else is useless. Its like neichuan paid for the book ,perhaps he was in on the group purchase ?

The proof of thetaobum sending him 150$ has been posted by MPG multiple times. There's my proof which has been posted in 2 threads, if you haven't read the entire threads and don't know the proof but are asking for it, why are you even asking?

 

EG Probably saw the coming problems, meaning thetaobum being owned by the internet police. So what? EG has some foresight on him, great.

 

And btw.. I have some logic, Just alittle.. But it does me well. That's how I know they're full of shit. I already know ttb is lying, so EG is aswell. By default.

 

If I wanted to be naive I would have supported what you said. But you're not being naive, being your helping yourself.

You should be banned for defamation and calling me lucas huang. Your just angry because you didnt see the book.

Next !

Elijah, you are really something, you know that?

More ridiculous allegations. Ken calls me tony, Pie says im lucas now your calling me ellijah

To be honest I don't know why it is so important for you to defend lucas and this book as both being legit, unless you have something to gain from convincing people it is legit. I've spoken to two people know who claim to have sent lucas the money and never received anything back. I am fairly certain this whole thing is a scam, and the more you defend it the more it makes you look as though you are involved in it.

 

I've given you a month or so to refund the money you owe, you've had my money since December 2010, you claimed to have mailed me the book but it never arrived, we agreed to me sending you another payment of the same amount as the first and you would resend the book either via email or via UPS with a tracking number asap, but you stopped talking to me for a long time so I filed a claim with paypal to get a refund.

 

As it stands now even if you are honestly innocent and a victim of bad circumstances it looks like to me and everyone else here as though you are running a scam, defending a fake text to sell more copies of a fake book that you won't mail out under the alias of Lucas Huang who's last known paypal address was in Brisbane Australia the same area you live.

 

I think it would be best if you stop defending this text as legit, or at the very least post the pages that deal with level one meditation which you discussed openly in the original thread about the book.

Im not defending lucas, im just saying my products arrived and seem authentic according to various sources. Thats your view of me defending him.

And if im running a scam, why did i not collect the thousands of dollars offered to me in the last few months ? I could have easily disappeared and created a new tao bum id.

Then why hadn't you just shared with more pie?

Becasue i did not think there would be any problems if i sold it to him.

There's one question. Knowing this holds knowledge of Mo Pai.

 

Why then would you try to sell it?...

 

People as a whole could benefit from it, but you go against one of the main rules by trying to sell it. There is a giant contradiction in your motives. Being after you seem to have second thoughts, due to consequences..

 

Are you to help people? or for money? if you were to try and "share" this copy rather then create profit (if it weren't fake). I think it would be less likely for you to have the bad karma you've had.

Hi Neichuan,

I never wanted to sell the book. The moderators can check my pms and will see i had tonnes of messages offering me $400,$600,etc for the book. Those same people are still members here and why they have not defended/supported me is anyones guess. I suppose they dont want people to know they wanted the book. Fair enough. But i never took a cent from any of them.

I only accepted more pies money after a very long discussion and he seemed like a genuine guy, which i still stand by after all the insults,name calling,etc.

The issue is not about money for me and never was. Its my belief that whats contained in the pages is priceless knowledge & should never to be sold by me again but only shared.

After all, im lucky to even be alive.

The End.

Kronos,

 

the attached picture IS a manual.

It is a typical mijue manual which are instruction manuals held by most daoists and are usually passed on to disciples.

I have a collection of around 2000 of these manuals, some of which dating as early as the late Ming dynasty, but of course the manual in the picture has nothing to do with Mozi or Djiang school

 

YM

That comment right there proved you know nothing about this book.

Mopai use fu talisman (i have have all 36 in front of me). How/Why in the hell can you sit there & say its not a mopai related talisman/book unless you have studied the entire 72 levels or own the book yourself ?

On what authority do you base those comments ? Are you a mopai student? Oh let me guess, you know several students right loool.

Also, How can master Wang say it not mopai, when he too knows nothing about the system ? I already told you people over and over the book & techniques have been confirmed by several of students around the world including greece,indonesia,america On this forum !!!

Have fun speculating about topics you all know nothing about but all wish too know.

The problem is that there is still the question of the un-refunded $150 which TheTaoBum has himself admitted of receiving. Unless this is resolved I don't think it's fair for MPG to just move on. But now if you are willing to give MPG $150 then I am sure he will be happy to take it and let this matter drop, otherwise you don't have any right to ask him to move on.

Lets move on,

I moved the other thread to the Pit because it wasn't really Taoist Discussion and I thought all the issues around this had been fully aired. Also I suspended EG for his post due to his insults to you ... and the Pit is a bit freer and easier than this part of Board for this kind of thing. I thought if things continued the way they were then I would end up suspending a few more and I didn't want to get to that point. I realise there are innocent and guilty parties in this and its pretty obvious to everyone which way round that is.

 

People should be very wary of sending money to people unless they know and trust that person or its through paypal or ebay as suggested - it would also be a good idea to ask for evidence that the product actually exists I suppose.

Electric gravity was ousted for insulting ?

Well what about more pie guy telling me to "Eat A Bag Of Dicks" ?

Is he going to punished ?

The same Rules should apply for everybody. This is very unprofessional to ban/suspend some members while others can say what they like without any repurcussions whatsoever ?

Very sad day for the tao bums.

I think i remember this post. It was written by Sean Denty sometime ago after he attended one of Master Wangs seminars. I will post it below with the link.

http://www.traditionaltao.com/index.html/html/site-section/ID/18

It was a sobering week, which certainly reflected David’s words. The excitement of meeting Wang Liping, was quickly overshadowed by long painful sittings were Sifu Wang used his abilities to create a field of external pressure that literally pressed in on us, magnifying the usual discomfort of sitting for over and hour by several times. We were asked not to move at all during training sessions while Sifu, in his gentle, pleasant voice, ordered us to simply obey his commands like good solders as he led us through each training session, occasionally adjusting our qi and the color and quality of our individual fields

End of Quote !

The Tao Bum.

A hidden Lei Shan Dao Sect in India hahahaha, its good to have a laugh sometimes

Bamboo, $3900 is simpy ridiculous and no normal person can afford that. Anyway from what i have read about the kathy li branch of DG recently, i wouldnt be in a great rush to go there either. I read here about another Wang Liping branch in New York (i think?) offering the same techniques and more at an affordble rate.

As for david verdesi i would steer clear of him as hes a known con man who only wants your money.

Thanks.

One look at her photo told me everythig i needed to know. I wont train with racists and people who look down upon westerners.