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"Etching the way," I like this idea.

What is and is not does not depend on what you, I, or anyone says. I did not mean to claim any detailed knowledge of the Taoist religious sects. Of course I know there are many, that they're complicated, and full well that I don't understand their workings. However, this does not perturb me in the least. I neither want nor need to know anything about them . I merely wanted to say that there is no patent on meanings or names.

This is a case of overlapping definition. In order to discuss things with others I must use words, Taoism is one, and different people mean different things by it. Knowing this makes me leery of talking or writing at all, but I inevitably succumb to my desire to explain. The Tao is like a guy I saw in the grocery store a bunch of times, and later learned had a name: Steve. Steve is not what that person is, but that is what others call him. So, when I want to talk about Steve I use the name, instead of attempting to describe his every feature. The only reason I use the words "Tao" and "Taoism" is because the body of writing labeled as Taoist describes something that I wish to talk with others about. My concept of taoism or "the tao" is based around something which is inherently possible to surround in rite or ceremony, therefore there can be no taoist religion, by definition ( of the word religion; which requires both a god, or gods, as well as structure). And concerning the roots of "taoism," from my place I see that Taoism has it's roots in all facets of reality, it does not root from any one religion, any one continent, or any one people. If someone believes this to be the case, then we are clearly talking about two different concepts with the same name, again. One analogy I have to myself is that the Tao is the mathematics of spirituality. I do not mean that it can be parsed out and understood through formulae. What I mean is that independent agents, unaware of each other, are capable of deriving the same a priori "conclusions."

The short answer is here: Taoism does not believe in anything, certainly not in the devil. it is not a religion. Evil does not exist independent from humanity, in a sense it does not exist at all. Also, should you continue to plumb the depths of Christianity you may want to consider that the Devil can not be the source of Christian evil . . . because God created him, and everything else. God either created evil, or he does not exist Q.E.D. This is a very old argument, but one that no theology has succeeded in resolving.

Hello Bums, I just wrote this for myself, but perhaps someone else might enjoy reading it. In argument, people are very childish. Unable to accept the consequences of admitting fallibility they will argue on behalf of falsehood rather than confront the truth. If certain truths are an obstacle to their victory, they are mostly left unmentioned. This is a mistake. It is not most important to be right individually, what's important is arriving at the truth of the situation. By ignoring information to preserve intellectual "victory," the virtue of communication, and even thought, is destroyed. It is cheating. If one cheats on a test, receiving a high mark instead of a low one, it does not mean that one is intelligent. It's like renting a house, inviting your relatives over, and pretending that you own it. Winning an argument by deceit it is no victory at all: If anything, it is a betrayal of oneself. Having established that thought, I'll move a little closer to my main topic: ownership. Ownership of what? Ownership of things. How is ownership established? Who forges the little chain between someone and something, and says "there, that's yours"? It's a mystery, isn't it? All things that are owned by somebody were, at one point or in some form, things that belonged to nobody. What changed? If I pocket a beach pebble, what makes it mine? I say, nothing. The only thing connecting possessions and the people who "possess" them, is that the possessors want to possess the possessions. But wanting something to be true does not make it so. Just as it's detrimental to believe oneself proficient at roulette (when that is clearly impossible), it is also harmful to deceive oneself in other ways. You will, so to speak, lose your fortune. If you disagree, ask yourself: have I any proof to the contrary? Or is the idea too threatening to my lifestyle, to my concept of the world, for me to seriously consider? It may be easier to think on this issue of "ownership" by narrowing the scope to simply "land ownership". Because all physical possessions are derived from the land, if we can resolve the issue of ownership with respect to the Earth itself the entire issue will be solved. Before we decide if Bill stole Bob's gold, we must establish that Bob owned the gold to begin with. And where did he get it? He took it from the Earth. Who owns the Earth? Certainly there are many nations, and they seem to own the Earth. But, do they? No. They want to. They have the globe all parcelled up. Strong countries are even capable of things like borders, states, and fighting off those who would encroach on their "territory." But does that make the land theirs? No. If I steal a cupcake from a toddler, is that mine? Well, in a sense it is, I can do whatever I want with it. But that is only because of my brute strength, that is not because I own it. The explorers of history were megalomaniacs. Who looks out on a new land and thinks, "well, I guess this is mine now, I saw it first. I want it."? How absurd. Every new place we go, every old place for that matter, has existed for an age, and will remain for ages to come. What flimsy logic can make the land ours? Why doesn't it belong to the dandelions or the toads? Were I to stumble on the proverbial pie on the windowsill, I wouldn't think it was mine. What else is the globe besides such a pie? As usual I have become very sidetracked. Fear not though, this last paragraph contains the original motive behind all this exposition. What I started out to say, is that ideas are no different than places. Coming up with an idea and claiming it for one's own is just as silly as discovering a wonderful new continent and, deciding that because it's new to you it must be new to everybody, claiming it for yourself. In reality, the world exists together with mankind, but there is no reason to think it belongs to us. When we think up a new idea, we are not creating that idea, we are simply seeing it for the first time. Just because it is out of sight does not mean that something does not exist. All places in the universe exist. If one had the time and means, they could all be visited. It is the same for the world of ideas. They all exist, but many have not been visited.

Ah, there are quite a few really, but I'm too tired to type them now. Perhaps tomorrow.

This is an awesome response.

Hello all, this is a long shot, but I figured I'd give it a try. I'm graduating college in a few days, but the downside is that I will be moving away from my wonderful Kung Fu teacher, (http://www.thelittledojo.com/fook-yueng if you're curious about the style) and that is very disappointing. I'll be moving back to my home town in Juneau Alaska which, to my knowledge, does not house any established Chinese martial arts schools at all. So, I was wondering if any bums have personal martial connections in Juneau who might be willing to take on a student. Any help is appreciated.

It sure is confusing, but I often think the same thing.

Additionally, if you truly have little tolerance for stupidity, you could at least learn how to spell and write proper sentences. Perhaps English is your second language. In that case I would be able to overlook quite a lot. Simply because you work in a pharmacy, see people, and have opinions, does not make you an authority on anything: think things through a bit before you start giving out advice. Have you considered that somebody might read something you wrote, misinterpret it (or not) and suffer negative consequences? I have been rash in saying this, but I felt that I had to.

Well, I guess it won't be long before our life spans are down to about 20 years. According to this human degeneration idea my grandchildren might even die before I do . . . right.

It's not usually appropriate to say that something just plain wrong, but every once in a blue moon we get something like this: It makes absolutely no sense, and is not true. If this was an attempted metaphor and physical strength was not actually in question then it would have been wiser to make that more obvious.

I will shortly return to my home in south east Alaska (no more undegraduate study for me!). I hope I can start a garden, but it will really depend on how far the season has progressed by the time I arrive. We really need to plant at the right time in that region (because the summer is so short) or else the plants will not mature before they die. It might be too late to start planting. Although, perhaps I can help my mother with her garden .

Building sensitivity is something that comes slowly, at least to me and my fellow students. I think the best way to improve is to simply practice push hands drills with a variety of partners until you are able to sense pressure easily.

I venture that nobody likes to do things just to make others suffer. It might look that way, but there are other reasons.

Evil doesn't exist

So then, why did you open it?

You are, of course, completely correct. However, I put aside the possibility that this existence is my own creation at least while writing on message boards. Otherwise it becomes pretty difficult to phrase ideas at all, doesn't it?

I'm curious to see how power seekers can reconcile their quests with concepts of Wu Wei. All I seem to hear about is striving, striving, and more striving.

The electric car is not comparable. People from all places, at all times, have wished for and sought after psychic power. Are we to believe that over the millennia not one single solid, documentable tradition or example has come forth? I'm not trying to make anybody mad, but just think about this issue honestly. There would be no way to suppress the support for these kinds of abilities should they actually happen to exist.

I know supporters don't want to hear this, but if psychic powers were documentable in the least then the whole world would know about it. It would not be a secret. Large portions of the population would spend their lives practicing. Before responding in objection, think about the argument and see if it actually makes any sense.

I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I normally go for a walk and then stretch afterwards, after breakfast.

I too think the preoccupation with "powers" on this board is really strange, although it may or may not be cult like. Whenever I see one of these posts on how to shoot fire out of your eyes, or something like that, I always think of the same story. I've posted it before, and I'll post it again now. One day two students were walking along together, and they began to talk of their masters. Both masters were famous and respected men whom people journeyed many miles to consult. Eventually they came to comparing the masters. One student said, "my master must be the most amazing, I've heard he can float above the ground, he can write in the air with a brush, and characters will appear on the paper hundreds of feet away!" The second student agreed that this was, indeed, amazing. The first student continued, "what can your master do?" "My master can also perform amazing feats," spoke the second student, "when he's tired, he sleeps, and when he is hungry, he eats."

I'm sure this won't be new to most, but read it again anyway! The Ritual Cat: "When the spiritual teacher and his disciples began their evening meditation, the cat who lived in the monastery made such noise that it distracted them. So the teacher ordered that the cat be tied up during the evening practice. Years later, when the teacher died, the cat continued to be tied up during the meditation session. And when the cat eventually died, another cat was brought to the monastery and tied up. Centuries later, learned descendants of the spiritual teacher wrote scholarly treatises about the religious significance of tying up a cat for meditation practice." A fair funny story which reminds me of another wise quote including cats: "We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it, and stop there, lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore..." - Mark Twain

I was really glad to see this post, it's an easy idea to lose sight of.