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I have a question regarding Monk Gazing at the moon. I'm wondering if it's meant to double as a one pointed focus concentration building meditation because it seems perfect for it. As in You're Gazing at an object or point in space through your fingers and are holding your focus on it as well as you can unbroken to build extended concentration. I imagine if the moon was there that's what would be intended? Or kinda zone out and focus more on the energetic sensation? If the moon is out should you try and time it near a moonrise or moonset so its straight ahead if you have no elevation near you, or lie on your back? Bending the neck back to look up seems like it could cause health issues with the neck.

Thanks for the reply. I clearly just got the date entirely wrong haha but it explains that he was already really into it, maybe he grew up on David Carradine and old Kung Fu movies. For some reason I thought it was early 90s shows how little I know about basketball history. And yes it's the joys of clicking on a random page due to an entirely unrelated search on this thread and finding absolute gold! That whole page was great with all the Kuan Yin stuff as well. page 223

Hello Sifu Terry. This isn't a very serious question but it made me wonder and laugh. Based on this video and how you said Shaq was very into it. It made me wonder...do you think the 1994 video game I remember as a kid called Shaq fu on the Sega genesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fu Was possibly directly or indirectly inspired by you and your lessons? Related

Thank you @senseless virtue Very good post the ginger part is fascinating to me because before I saw it I was really feeling this intuitive pull to ginger and even got these ginger drinks from trader joes for Christmas from my brother that are basically a tbsp or two of ginger powder you mix with water. It feels so energizing and refreshing. The blood cleansing aspect intrigued me.

Certainly! I'm aware its not the best but I'm just a human making my way along the path. I'll get there eventually and I'm learning as I go. At the moment it helps and Hinders me I'm incredibly aware of how each happens. So I don't reccomend it to people. Without I never would have gone as far as I've have in the past 5 years or so and coulda been stuck in protestant mainstream Christianity rather than going to the very deep side of the occult using that foundation to skip all the bs, by following my curiosity but I also have backed off from the Chinese alchemical side and I see that as a place it could be a huge hindrance.. but who knows really? I do qigong now mainly for the health benefits and to advance spiritually. Man now I feel bad for revinig this post. What senseless virtue posted was What I was searching for i just forgot the old timey word of calling if pot lol.

Thanks for the response. I might have been a bit much on my commentary about dogma but I deal with a lot of it on religious side so it can be ant easy straw man for me to create. But it also becomes very easy to identify in all aspects of life. I'll fully admit im inexperienced with meditation only 6 years or so after 10 of religion and theology even college level. Though it's interesting I listened to Damo Mitchels podcast earlier and he's who I originally started with in qigong/neigong. But he mentioned meditation being good for discerning truth and seeing through falsehood and this is something that I do well at though I may be lacking the deep mystical experiences of many here. Not related to this topic particularly, but it seems to be working though I still have a long way to go.

Definitely, but they have their place and use when used responsibly. A lot of stigma from people sounds almost dogmatic from people who have no relationship with it. I'm not judging them just making observations over long periods. Those who don't use or have no desire more power to them and I'm happy for their decision. It's kinda a thing of not being able to go back, not addiction wise but knowledge and experience wise to see things differently. This is kinda a universal concept on any deep or occulted topic.

Interesting topic. I was wondering if there was one of these. Just from my experience Weed makes the feeling of Qi way stronger and more noticeable. I don't do it all the time but sometimes I'll do my practices after coming down and it feels way more potent. Your mind isn't hazy if you are used to it and it can be an altered meditative state it places you in opening up doors to inspiration and increased psychic Awareness.. now the latter part can be a burden sometimes. All this is just from my personal experience and opinion. The first time I truly felt the ability to project qi from my palm with my outgoing breath was when I was high. I'm also the kind of person who when drunk doesn't lose any coordination or mental faculties just become more friendly and confident unless it's an exceptional amount, so maybe that has something to do with it. But unlikely because Weed can quickly become overwhelming if out of your league. Another one I'll mention was the first time I tried LSD around when I was first starting Daoist breathing practices around 5 years ago. When on LSD due to the heightened brain function and awareness I was able to Feel my lower dantian and breathe straight into it feeling a pulsing or vibration as the Qi descended. I kinda intuited this pump like sensation on pumping down on the outgoing breath. I still can't do that normally. These things can be valuable tools but shouldn't be relied upon.

Had a very interesting sensation after practicing earlier today. I've been doing the volume one standing set for a few months now. And for my birthday a week ago I got the Volume 2 dvd. I Usually do roughly 3 at a time. Since the recommendation is 5 minutes minimum I set a meditation timer to chime 3 times every 6:30 to give time for the breath control just as a rough estimate. One thing I like about the MSW sets is the lack of a need of a timer and just to keep track of how many I've done which is what i'm more used to with my Western practices. Anyways I was in a lightly rainy nature trail in-between 2 lakes. I was the only one out there and walked out to a little peninsula, It's far enough back to escape the traffic sounds, and usually a lot of birds such as Blue and White Herons. Off Topic but I actually saw 3 of the large red headed woodpeckers together which is mind boggling. I did MGAM, BTB,MH Pearl, then Wind above the clouds... or is it tree tops? Was a good 27 mins or so with the timers I set. Then walked a bit further to try and find a dry patch of ground, found something good enough up on a wooden deck and sat for MSW1 and MSW3 just the typical 7 sets with breathe control. When I came out of it the sensation was very tangible. I felt energetic vibrations all over my body. Once I started doing the seated practices I started to feel a lot of energy in the face usually and under the chin when doing the practices. But What I could compare the energetic sensation after finishing to is when I was trying to learn to Astral Travel 4 or 5 years ago and could get to the vibration stage pre exit. Never quite achieved the exit except waking up lifting out of the bed once and just kept going right through the walls and roof haha. But regardless it was a really cool experience. I've also started to have even stronger sensation in my hands which all I had to do before was just focus on them to feel Qi circulating or emitting from the palms , but now its even stronger especially when the 2 are facing and they will start shaking sometimes. Since people were mentioning electronics. I use bluetooth noise canceling headphones sometimes with like peaceful zen or flute music out of necessity due to living in very noisy place, and I don't know if it has a negative effect, but it helps me stay focused and actually complete the practices which I see as a positive. I prefer to go without, but occasionally have no choice.

I just want to comment on the focus of developing virtue and morality that stood out to me just browsing their material awhile back. I just happened to pick up the book of the shelf at a library a few months back and found it very interesting. A lot of the stuff talked about early on is similar to my own deep esoteric research In systems that are into following the Divine or as he calls in the Buddha law. I only got like 50 pages in, and watched some of the practice videos. The high focus on morality could be great for some people, and turn others off completely, it seems to be more Buddhist than Daoist, so if ones already into buddhism or other systems of purifying one's character it can kinda resonate for them? From my own experience and just study in general I believe there is something to the idea of a shortcut by developing virtue. Others systems like esoteric Christian ones also have a huge emphasis on this as a requirement for true development of the soul which would skip many many lifetimes of doing it by trial and error, and that there is only so far you can develop as a precaution built into the whole system if one does not develop virtue. Where if one is aligned or attuned to the Buddha law the Divine or whatever word you want to choose. It will take care of you. But Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and his Righteousness all this will added unto you. Is a very esoteric verse about such a concept. Now whether this is relevant or true about their system I can't say due to no experience with anyone whose practiced it. Just putting out some philosophical thoughts. The one I forgot but stuck out to me also just as a common sense thing the more you study this stuff. Is talking about the ancient guys who developed the energy channel system being some form of clairvoyant. Being able to literally see it. I feel like this should be more discussed more often as it seems obvious as a result and level of spiritual development. The western model of medicine won't acknowledge this currently, but if you know you know. I can't see it yet but I have faith it's just part of the process and developing yourself a true healer.

Just wanted to chime in. I just started the practice and. wow even after only a couple sessions while still learning the standing forms. I've felt sensations I've never felt. In the legs and neck. It seems to be great for unblocking areas I've never been able to feel the qi well, even after being sensitive to it for several years now. Kinda like this cool flowing sensation up the neck. Also just feel generally great and mellow after the session. One thing I'm curious about is the left hand in the right. So many people specify by gender for males the right goes under the left. But to me the other way has always felt more intuitive and just a natural fit. So I'm enjoying that theres no tension like when I'd try and do the other way. It just adds an unnecessary layer of distraction. Editing my own comment I realized it's probably due to it being more yin in nature in general which makes sense.

Interesting, good to know, I will have to look into it focused breathing Is my preffefed meditation method. But on a side note I don't want to derail this topic into a heat issue. The original thing I'm talking about is very much a qi/Prana thing that is known and expected in energetic development and alchemical systems. My own issues are separate and unrelated to the original topic, just to clarify thanks for the advice!

Hello. I wanted to get some opinions from the fine folks around here on this phenomenon and how it is viewed from different traditions. This is something I've experienced for several years now especially when I'm living a bit more in a harmonious way, mentally and physically it will certainly manifest more often. I'm aware it is a universal phenomena between both Eastern and Western traditions. I assume in the Daoist arts it's focused more on the Lower Dantian, while in some Western systems it's about filling up the Solar plexus with energy which also covers that same general area and function of being a storage space for massive amounts of energy. But I'd like some more professional or just interesting opinions on what this is and what it is actually doing. It is a bit esoteric I suppose, but a very real physical sensation.

I am curious what Chinese herbs you might recommend. I know this is true about my body, it's what I was told when first seeing a TCM practitioner about 9 years ago. Currently the only thing I take at all is Eyebright for eyes and sinuses. Which I intuitively came to Apparently its also good for clearing heat. Xiao Mi Cao is the Chinese name. Not exactly what I was reffering to, but wouldn't mind advice on this miserable problem.

I find this very important as well. Getting the right dichotomy of physical/spiritual is important. This is based more on the physical side but for health reasons is still entirely on point. The more people learn and know about these topics the easier it is to maintain your health. I'm involved with some western esoteric systems and even the focus on the blood flow from deep breathing is incredibly important to purifying the body. I think it goes into many levels subtle to direct.

Thanks so much for this input. Its what I was feeling as well. Breathing is very magical and alchemical when it is done with focus and intention And I think that's what the sensations are leaning towards some manifestation of spirit transforming your being. One of my favorite quotes from Zhuangzi or Chuang Tzu is his one on breath control. Now what the original Chinese means might be different but. it's so straightforward and awesome, which resonates so much even if you have even just a little experience with it. "Breathing control give man strength, vitality, inspiration,and magic powers." -Zhaungzi

Welcome! Flying Phoenix and Spring Forest both are regarded rather highly around here. Flying Phoenix has a ridiculously long thread with more information than you'd ever need. Spring forest has some good threads too like This one about This guy's personal experience and development with the system. And their website is ver helpful too. https://www.springforestqigong.com/ and here's the flying Phoenix one.

Sri Yukteswar Yoganandas guru in the book the Holy science goes into detail about how a binary star to ours causes the procession of the equinox, and the zodiacal /yoga cycle by sending us way around the galaxy and when we are closest to the center it's the golden spiritual ages, but we just ended the furthest point and are heading back up thus the massive influx of technology and knowledge in the last 2 centuries. very fascinating take from a supposed highly enlightened master.

Thanks for the recommendation. The guy I originally learned from taught me a a bit of Damo's System, like some of the foundational moves several years back. Lately I've been working on the Marriage of Heaven and Earth set from a book and videos from Bruce Frantzis' system, and it seems to be pretty effective for me at my current level. I didn't specify where I am which is Virginia Beach. That looks like its near Washington DC which is pretty far away, I'm planning on going to a good acupuncturist locally soon and I'm gonna ask him if he knows anyone in the area.

So it wasn't a happy ending after all? Sorry, someone will laugh. Hope you find something, I live in a very starved area for it in South Eastern Virginia and have the same issue trying to find local high level teachers. A lot of good teachers seem to migrate out to the west coast which is understandable, chiller vibe and beautiful natural landscape, also closer to Asia. But Bruce Frantzis' system, Lee Holden and YMAA , and Spring Forest Qigong are all located in America. There has to be something legit in New York though. Upon looking at Bruce Frantzis' website there seems to be an in person trainer in New York. https://www.energyarts.com/instructors-search/

It's a good question and it looks like you got some good answers already! I have limited experience with the Golden Dawn, only 1 year, but just in my Semi Armchair opinion from my overall analysis of many of the type of people that join those types of orders or systems. Most are likely very unqualified to actually do the work you could say. Which is why banishing for a while might be a good idea. Many are still very egotistical, and have not done much work on purifying themselves of vices and petty attitudes of things like revenge etc, even in the leadership. They may be very talented or incredibly interested in the material, but probably shouldn't be doing it. There was a reason ancient mystery schools and some modern had like a year of a probationary period to see if people were actually worthy to become initiates. It can become very culty which kinda reinforces my opinion, and why I bailed after a year. Some spend 20 years in and haven't improved their character much at all. Then others absolutely thrive. So obviously it's not everyone but many might be getting into it for the wrong reasons perhaps? I'd say it was just the one I joined but it seems to be a sterotype of many different ones based on what I've heard from former adepts of other orders who run podcasts. Like Esoterinerd and Magick without Fears. And another is they usually self destruct just repeating the same history. Just some thoughts. Could be completely wrong.

I've been noticing or rather thinking this a lot lately. Many groups when they lose their original leader tend to degrade, or never seem to produce anyone of substance. I've honestly been thinking about this a lot lately due to being so fascinated by actual high level mystics or you could say saints. The people who train under them get that guru disciple relationship of having an actual master with Gnosis that can personally guide them, so their progress can be sped up exponentially, as well as being able to personally see what is possible which builds faith and positive outlook which also speeds things up. I wonder if it's a karma thing to be one of the lucky ones to end up in that situation, that the time is right for you. Because I certainly feel lost at times trying to just do long distance training. Now I digress and need to specify I don't think Lewis or people who start orders likes the Golden Dawn groups were any sort of that level. The proof is in the pudding there since many seem to self destruct due to petty infighting. I personally respect Amorc because I learned of it from a friend and think it has good effects on people. But I'm also very well aware of the controversy involved with their founding, and the term Charlatan being thrown around by several sources including Manly P. Hall. So whether their true Rosicrucians or just a good group for esoteric training that coopted the name for advertising sake is a mystery to me.

This is a Great point. For instance since it already went there. The video of John Chang lead to Kostas traveling to study with him which led to The Magus of Java book. Me seeing the video on YouTube years back led to me noticing the book in a metaphysical book store. Then reading it which changed my life by getting me into Qigong, and drastically shifting my worldview.

I'm going to share some obvious results of practice from my own personal experience I've seen happen. Such as beginning to feel Qi when you couldn't at all before, then this increasing in different areas of the body, As well as feeling heat during practices, becoming much more relaxed and calm overall. Inner peace. Your thoughts nearly entirely shutting off. Not identifying with said thoughts. Health problems disappearing or no longer mattering. Being able to choose you're emotional state at times. Like making yourself happy for no reason just by focusing on the feeling of joy or love. Dream life becoming more active like Lucid dreams. All sorts of mini psychical ones like precognitive thoughts of knowing someone's coming to visit or about to call or text you. These are just some things I've personally experienced since I started about 4 years ago that were not present before.

Sorry for the full quote and late reply, but thank you for the advice I will look into it! I realized I was extremely active in sports my whole life till going to college, then it became only surfing, which is roughly when it started so perhaps my youthful vitality and constant active lifestyle preventing it from manifesting sooner. I also realized I distracted the topic... forgive me for that. I Just saw the one part, and commented from my personal experience.