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  1. 1 hour ago, Cleansox said:

    It's not about time. 

    It's not about saliva. 

    You create ling sui. 

    When you have opened shit up, it has only one way to go. 

    That is funny, good try though.  Golden Elixir is the combination of saliva, hormonal fluids, and external essences that when mixed together become the Elixir. Saliva has long been considered by Taoists as a key component of the elixir. Some Taoist texts recommend swallowing the saliva up to 1,000 times a day to promote physical healing. Many hundreds of years ago Taoists became aware of changes in consistency of saliva that accompanied certain meditative practices. They learned that by combining saliva with the hormonal fluids and essences released during non-ejaculative intercourse a powerful elixir is formed. Taoists believe that this Golden Elixir is not only a physical healing agent, but also is a major transformative agent in preparing for higher spiritual work.  But, again, we are just touching the surface here.  Please tell me more than just using arbitrary terms pulled out of a book or some hearsay.  Please teach me how you opened your shit up?

  2. 29 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

    If you study immortality, 

    You should study celestial immortality:

    Only the golden elixir 

    Is the highest principle. 

    When the two things meet, 

    Emotions and nature join one another ;

    Where the five Agents are whole, 

    Dragon and Tiger coil. 


    I love it! Quoting Wuzhen Pian to me, wow!  Please tell me what it means. But, please no surface stuff going on here.  After you have opened the channels necessary, tell me how long you need to hold the essence before you permeate your saliva with it and how long you need to hold that saliva, before you swallow it, oh and by the way, please tell how you need to direct it and over how many years( on average)  Heres' a hint--- many thousands of times and you have to have the proper focus and attention to certain details. or---- 

    Of course you know all of that or you would not have given me that quote, so, please I am your student, please instruct.

  3. 35 minutes ago, welkin said:


    I even dropped the hint. Do you really think it takes a genius to know how you were going to respond. You took the bait...


    I already have you figured out, many of you at that. I could speak to "you" without having to actually speak to you because i know everything you'd respond with according to anything I say. I'm not trying to be condescending, i'm just being honest. Do you not think that's what happened in the mona lisa thread? Every potential response was obvious, so i just played it to my advantage just as you all believe you do unto others. Fair play.



    I didn't report anyone. I'm actually curious who reported Mr. Grey. It means some people do have common sense. Also the mods themselves reached out to me and warned me, so stop crying about how it's one sided


    So you're basically saying i'm harmful, being opposite of benign right? That's been your sense of judgement from the beginning. I don't think anyone would agree with you in saying i'm harmful. It takes poor judgment to reach for that conclusion.




    Stop pattiing yourself on the back, you haven't figure anything out.  Though, you are trying to, and I give kudos for that!

    No one is talking about one-sided, that is a projection of linear thinkers.  Figured many of us out here, hey!  I bet you heard that one before in the bad old days!  Eh!

  4. This was way to easy with challengers so far.  I need to attend to other things now.  But I will be back in a day or so.

    Warriors are needed here too!  Try not to lose the balance!  It is hard, I know!


                                                Take care and be well all!

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  5. 11 hours ago, steve said:


    Speaking of fallibility, I’ve got to share that I regret the posts I made earlier in this thread.


    I genuinely did not mean to equate Earl and his friends with Trump and his supporters in order to insult or degrade anyone but I see how it would seem like I was. I was simply trying to make a point about how we each have our different realities and it seemed like a powerful and obvious example. That analogy, and my comments about Earl, were clumsy and careless. I was in a bad place mentally at the time due to some personal challenges at home.


    To be clear, I don’t disagree with the action taken. From a mod’s perspective it was necessary. I do regret making matters worse with my impulsive and inconsiderate comments. I felt it necessary to get that off my chest and I offer the board, and my fellow mods, my sincere apologies.




    I have always believed your sincerety, you are a good guy who is trying.

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  6. 5 minutes ago, welkin said:


    I even gave you the opportunity to say anything else. ANYTHING... Made it straight in your face obvious what your response would be. You didn't even think to question what your automatic response did you? As expected.




    BTW, welkin, since I believe you are a prolific reporter, that has even got some mods into believing you are benign, please report me!

  7. Just now, welkin said:


    I even gave you the opportunity to say literally anything else. ANYTHING... Made it straight in your face obvious what your response would be. You didn't even think to question what your automatic response did you? As expected.




    I love it, when you talk about how you knew it all in advance, please do more, just to establish your ironclad credibility.

  8. 3 minutes ago, welkin said:



    Your mind is already made up. I already know every answer you would give no matter what is said for the next 3 responses in order. So i respectfully refuse to answer. And I already know how you're going to respond to this one. Ironically, your second request just got answered.




    Welkin, I expected something escapist from you, thank you for not disappointing!

  9. Now! Moderators! I was well within all of the rules.  But, how did it feel to you?  I have been showing Earl Grey the road of better diplomacy, and it has been showing over the last month( as anyone can clearly see if they actually have been following events instead of just reacting).  Now, you guys are saying we will wrap EG up for sixty days and if you do not toe the line, the next one is a permanent ban!  For one thing-- permanent bans are BS.  We the mods will banish you!  Think about that in reference to history.  It was often equated with greater than death (sure I am getting into hyperbole here with online stuff, but like most philosophical thought has tried to teach us, it is the baseine/reality/consistency/logic/standard/essence/principle that matters.


  10. 1 minute ago, Cleansox said:

    That is not the point. 

    The point is, were they diplomatic enough. 


    Read Seans rules. 


    1) Feel free to be weird! 

    2) Rules of conduct. 


    Try not to expand your personal subjectiveness out to infinity, --I know; it is like a nice fuzzy, warm, security blanket.

  11. 9 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

    It might be very taoistic, yet when it comes from a member who himself does not follow this, it is easier to see it as a way of saying "shut up". Especially in a context where that crossed my mind as well, but I choose not to be as explicit about it. It's a forum after all, people must be allowed to have ideas even though I disagree with them. 


    I'm not saying anything about @Earl Grey's intention behind this since I do not read minds, but if a member have a history of being asked to be more diplomatic in his/her posts, that change is expected to be manifested in the posts. 


    And he was much more diplomatic as opposed to the past.  Of course you know that---right?


  12. 11 hours ago, welkin said:


    No points actually made or spoken to. Only a pointless game being played in their own mind that never translates into reality. Stuck in the mind of theatre.



    Oh yes, I am so interested in this theater of which you speak.  Please, help me out with your view of what reality is, and also theatre of the mind.  You talk with such assuredness, that I just can't wait!

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  13. 21 hours ago, welkin said:

    There is blame for the moderators, yet no responsibility taken for yourselves as a community. It doesn't take a genius to see that certain acts are wrong and harmful. And if you don't see that, then the level of perspective is way too low. Without the moderators, the community would sink itself into the ground, not because there is a lack of moderators, but because the community has proved that they can't hold themselves accountable for what they allow to occur within it. Through lack of voicing any opinion against others' wrong acts.


    I haven't seen Earl Grey's posts on threads elsewhere, only my own. So i can't comment on those. Personally, i don't think he needs to get suspended based of my interactions with him. Whether he's getting banned mostly for other threads, that's out of my hands.


    When people say that the community looks like a representation of the much bigger world, yeah i would say that's accurate. And yet why is that even an accepted observation. How can it be that community for the purpose of development and cultivation is a reflection of the supposed outside less developed world. That means there's very little difference between the two at the end of the day. It proves knowledge itself does not mean development or consciousness, or that one's own peace without caring the peace of another is enough to create a stronger maybe never before seen community. There are moments where we should care for more than just ourselves, that to create peace you sometimes need to break your own perceived idea of peace, which may not even be actual peace in the first place. But of mix of greed and something else.


    Blaming authority as to why certain people are suspended or jailed, etc. Instead of calling out what's wrong, keeping eachother accountable in the first place is exactly what goes on everywhere else. Taught to rely on a specific authority role instead of putting the responsibility on ourselves.


    I say bring Earl Grey back or at least cut the ban much shorter. Pardon him with the agreement of the community realizing it's condoning that behavior in the first place and the reason for the ban. Next time it happens, there should be no reason to doubt for the suspension and the community should just blame themselves. And if they don't they don't think they're condoning anything wrong, then man.. there's a lot to say about what's justified around here.


    Why do i defend in Earl Grey coming back? Because at the end of the day i know those actions have rooted reasons that he may not be aware of. Just as i have my own. We're all to blame than just he or the moderators. The idea that each person is responsible for their own actions is false. It's funny how there is a preaching of how we're all one, yet on the basis of how we act we just say each is responsible for themselves. Yet there is so much influence created upon eachother just based on interactions, hierarchy, friendships, society, etc.


    I also defend him because i know that  not even so deep down, he's not a bad person. He has helped me when i needed it. Whether or not he or other people have hidden agendas here is another thing. Those agendas will be met by their own consequence. But if one looks for the positive while trying to avoid being cynical, then forgiveness is possible here.


    60 days is a long time. And just as others have stated. For some, the community is a very important part of their lives.


    I say bring him back, and next time it happens there should no question about the consequence. As it should be realized at that point that it is only in the communities best interest.




    Welkin, you post here like Earl is your friend, or that you actually like him, please explain how and when that happened or at least explain your view of fairness.  Mind you now,  this is just a friendly examination of current events and where you actually are at?

  14. 20 hours ago, Apech said:

    First a request : please can we have more threads about Early Grey - his banning, his unbanning, his crimes and his innocence - because this is the subject in which we must consume ourselves for all time.


    Nothing is more fascinating than going round and round the same subject endlessly seeking some kind of eternal and immutable truth.  The moderators must be infallible, like the Pope, and their every decision held up to measure against the universal and undying light of the Logos to see that it is perfect.  This is how we must spend our time, for if we don't, mountains shall crash into the sea and we shall cease to be, eventually.


    Is not TDBs the very centre of the cosmos and does not the fiery sun revolve around it?  Let us erect the pillars of our certainty, with unshakable resolve, vault the heavens to the welkins infinite breadth and height, so that they may say, these truly are the bums of the Dao.  And no one shall doubt it.






    You are vey clever and funny.  I enjoy you even though you have become so predictable.  If a moderator shot someone on fifth avenue,  (New York City)  would you say anything negative about it?

  15. On 9/21/2020 at 5:50 PM, EmeraldHead said:

    Earl Grey has a habit of putting people or things he doesn't like OFF/DOWN! He would throw a lot of people out of this forum and impose some serious rules if he could. He seems to be a stable person by mundane standards but really he seems like Aladeen the dictator in playing games with strangers.


    Some of the worst sujective extrapolation I have ever seen!  You must have an agenda, please explain it to us!

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  16. On 9/21/2020 at 7:18 PM, liminal_luke said:



    Here´s a brief excerpt from an Earl Grey post in the Mona Lisa thread I find problematic.


    If your ego matched your skill, you'd be quiet. 


    If your actions matched your words, you'd be quiet. 


    If you knew what's good for you, you'd be quiet. 


    Can you imagine yourself writing these words?  Does the tone feel respectful or supportive or constructive in any way?  If a member habitually took such a stance vis a vis other members and you were a mod, would you let it go?




    Yet; very taoistic! Let us not stretch here, because we have a distaste for the confrontational,  there must be a balance.

  17. 6 minutes ago, steve said:


    If you would like to see how personal takedowns are being defined here, search on Earl Grey’s content. He can’t help himself, it seems. It is pervasive. His time here is a masterclass...  Maybe it’s just method acting, I don’t know... Both of welkin’s recent threads, Earl’s very recent, and hidden by him, takedown of someone asking simple questions in the Cultivator’s Club. Note to self - Maybe I’ll unhide that for educational purposes. 


    If you can’t see the problem with Earl here for yourself my words won’t help. Maybe a little like the Trump problem in the US, some see him as a problem, some as a friend, some as a leader. No one can help the other to see a different possibility. Five mods agree it’s a problem for the forum.


    You can all blow it up or move on. I’m tired of discussing Earl. I really tried to understand him and I think I do, but his poor treatment of others, especially the vulnerable, is finished here.


    And shockingly, he’s got yet another chance...



    "If you can’t see the problem with Earl here for yourself my words won’t help. Maybe a little like the Trump problem in the US, some see him as a problem, some as a friend, some as a leader. No one can help the other to see a different possibility."


    What a cheap shot!

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  18. 8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

    ... posted this before I read the thread above


    Wow!  Within minutes, of this thread going up!


    I know the average age of regulars is fairly old, but it is starting to feel like an old people's place now.

    This being said by an old man!  LOL

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