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  1. Riding the Phoenix to Penglai

    Did you see emptiness in my opinion or just want to deny the realities in you someone pointed out? I am so delighted to hear that you know my Qigong practice. I thought that you practice Neidan only not practice Qigong. I love to hear your critics and want to hear more about what is wrong in my Qigong practice. Which scripture contradicts my Qigong experience? I am also a Neidan practitioner. What is wrong in my Neidan practice? I would greatly appreciate your advice and suggestions. Please let me know. Thank you!
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    Is it yourself evaluation or pointing your finger to Xuanming? I have not lost track and I do see the reality clearly. I am a guy and straight and happily married. Can you tell the difference between a guy and a girl? Thank you for your sweet post, but don’t call me “Darling” again. Why? Because you cannot answer my questions? Do you understand the definition of clone? Who are my clones? Taoist Texts is smart and intelligent. He is logical and reasonable in conversations if you talk about very specific topics with him. He certainly has more understanding than me on his field. I truly admire his talents. He understands my points, but you don’t. If you would review your own posts, you may find a lot of projections and assumptions without evidence and references. For example: Where did your strange conclusions came from? It looks like projections and assumptions without evidence and reference. This is discussion, but like curse. Who are the 5 lying ladies? I have no idea who you are talking about. Can you give any examples? If you cannot provide evidence, again it sounds like just your projection or assumption and shows that you do not respect women. Calling names appears to be your way of denying reality and avoiding answering questions. I wanted to check with you about quantumdragon’s observations from your energy field if she was correct. You have never answered my simple questions, but you had a huge reaction to my questions. If it is not true, you should be not triggered by the information quantumdragon shared with us. From my experiential understanding on energetic and spiritual communications, quantumdragon is an advanced and gifted practitioner. What happened to her, it was not her fantasy or lie but her observation and energetic and spiritual communications with your own consciousness projection onto her. It might happen at subconscious or unconscious levels so you were not aware of it. Have you recalled your mind back to your body since you published the post that day? Are you aware of your sub-conscious activities that day? If you do not know how to recall your mind back to your body, or if you were not aware of how your sub-consciousness went to quantumdragon, it is easy for you totally to deny you did visit her and then point your finger at her and say “she is lying or making up some fantasy stories.” To test if her information is correct or not, one simple thing is to check with you. That’s why I wanted to ask some questions regarding whether her observation on your energy field is correct or not, so that we can have a conclusion. Instead of working together and collaborating on this situation, you had an huge emotional explode. Your emotional explode reflects the level of your internal cultivation clearly--you have not begun your internal cultivation at the internal organ level yet. Thus, quantumdragon's observation on your energy field sounds correct. I thought that Opendao has deep experience and understanding on this area as a pre-heaven practitioner. It seems that I totally overvalued your internal cultivation. You might not have experienced such phenomena yet—perhaps you may experience such phenomena later when your pre-heaven practice is at more advanced level (s). Why you think the field of qi is De? You said that “people do it constantly in the real life, and nobody complains.” You mean people do it constantly in the real life consciously or unconsciously? Are you scanning people constantly in real life without their permission?
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    Opendao, are you aware of this Forum is for discussing about Riding the Phoenix to Penglai? You have not read the book yet. It appears that you do not understand Ms. Gonet’s commentary and do not understand Sun Bu-Er’s teaching and you do not know Ma Dan-Yang’s teaching. Why you are here to disturb others’ discussion and conversations in this Forum? What is your motivation at this Forum? Is it just for selling yourself as a Neidan master with your advertising? This Forum is for discussing about Riding the Phoenix to Penglai and for talking about female internal cultivation. Do you know that your attitude and behavior are so arrogant, rude, disrespectful, forceful, abusive, and invasive to women? Do these kinds of attitude and behavior of yours come from your Neidan training? Or are these kinds of attitude and behavior the unique De expressions of your Yu Xian Pain school? Sometimes, Opendao appears smart and intelligent and a great Neidan master. If you want to sell yourself as a Neidan master and expert, it would be great if you can prove it first. You have not answered my questions yet. I might have asked you too many questions last time. Let’s make it simple and easy for you. This time I only ask you the following three questions: Have you experienced the spiritual Pivot within? If yes, please give an example and be specific. Have you seen the flight of golden sparks? If yes, please give an example and be specific. Which level of Neidan cultivation you have completed? Any certificate or evidence? You said that the ladies in this Forum are lying. Can you give more specific examples? For example, Quantumdragon, on 16 Aug 2015 - 07:50 AM, said: Opendao has not begun the beginning steps of firing, purifying or bathing. And he has not activated any of his organ systems at all. Is this true or not true? If this is not true, please give evidence to prove it. Daeluin, thank you so much for providing such helpful information. I agree. The authors of Zhong Lu Chuan Dao Ji are Zhongli Quan and LĂŒ Dongbin. LĂŒ Dongbin is Wang Chongyang’s teacher; and Wang Chongyang is Ma Danyang’s teacher. Ma Danyang is the founder of Yu Xian Pai. Above masters all know how to use the five phases operation of the organ qi to transform the postnatal into the prenatal. My internal elixir cultivation teacher knows it. In Qigong practice, there is a method called “äș”ç‚æœć…ƒæł•â€ which also can be used to transform the postnatal into the prenatal. My Qigong teacher knows how to do it. However, Opendao does not know how to use the five phases operation of the organ qi to transform the postnatal into the prenatal, which indicates that Opendao does not know Ma Danyang , the founder’s teaching and there is no direct transmission to Opendao. Quantumdragon said that she cannot verify the authenticity of the Linage that instructs him (Opendao) or better his relationship with and his understanding of the Great Patriarch's Teachings. Is this true or not true? If this is not true, please give evidence to prove it.
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    Thank you for offering your energetic assessment of Opendao and for providing some of his pre-heaven information. I am impressed with your assessment and observations. They are very insightful and helpful. I observed Opendao’s energetic system last night, and I agree with you that Opendao has not begun the beginning steps of firing, purifying or bathing. And he has not activated any of his organ systems at all. So there are big gaps between your internal cultivation and his Neidan/pre-heaven cultivation. I don’t think that he can understand your experience and energetic assessment on his energy and pre-heaven information. He is not happy to see that you can not only read his energy system but also you can read his pre-heaven information. Opendao appears smart and intelligent and a great Neidan master. Opendao claims that he works with Neidan, works with Yuan QI / Preheaven / Primordial / Authentic / Original NOT postnatal existence. But the reality is that he knows how to find postnatal knowledge and information, copy and paste, but he has not realized himself yet, he cannot speak from his own internal experience with his own realization, and he even does not know where his mind is and he is not aware of his subconscious and internal organ conscious conditioning. Quantumdragon is right that at this point, only post heaven is ruling Opendao’s body. Opendao appears a great Neidan master. He claims to know Yuan Jing, Yuan QI / Preheaven / Primordial / Authentic / Original, but he does not know the relationships between post-heaven and pre-heaven and does not know how to transform post-heaven energy to serve the pre-heaven’s needs. Quantumdragon has already experienced and demonstrated the process of postnatal energy transformation to prenatal energy and then to work on the internal elixir cultivation as the follows: This is an excellent example of postnatal energy transformation. In the traditional way, this process was described as Dragon and Tiger Mating. This is another example of prenatal energy interactions during your internal cultivation and Qigong practice. Your expression of this internal alchemical cultivation is authentic, original and elegant! You don’t need to use other people’s words, your authentic expression is great. Be confident! Quantumdragon practices Qigong with pre-heaven / Primordial / Authentic Qi experience and Opendao works with Yuan QI / Preheaven / Primordial / Authentic / Original but trapped in post-heaven. This is very amusing.
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    It sounds that Opendao is great Neidan master. And your above statement is fascinating. It would be great to hear your philosophy and methods regarding how did you make such conclusion. Is it from your pre-heaven expression or post-heaven studies? Do you have any evidence and references about your statement? What kind of Neidan classics and scriptures have you studied so far? Which level of Neidan cultivation you have completed? Can you share some of your Neidan cultivation experience? Have you experienced the spiritual Pivot within? Have you seen the flight of golden sparks? Do you know that some individuals have experiential understanding and realization about Yuan QI / Preheaven / Primordial / Authentic / Original through Qigong practice?
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    Thank you so much for your advice, Opendao. Following your suggestion, I focused on myself and ask myself why I don’t understand basic things you are talking about. I just figured out that Opendao is extremely smart! So it takes more efforts for Xuanming to understand your basic things. I would greatly appreciate it if you would let me know if I understand your basic things, as follows: You believe that internal elixir used yuan Jing (original Jing) not sexual Jing. You agree that the yuan Jing (original Jing) can be declined or drained out by excess sexual activity and sexual energy flow outward and leak out. Am I right about this? You do not believe the path can be reversed or you do not believe that the sexual energy or the energy of reproductive organ can be transformed to authentic Qi. Is this your understanding? You believe that the internal elixir cultivation has no any relationship with the principles of internal cultivation and stated: “That's all Qigong that has no relation to Neidan of any traditional school.” My teacher is the 13th generation lineage holder of the internal elixir school. And my teacher told me that it is important to understand the meaning and steps of the principles of internal cultivation. It seems that my teacher is not in your neidan school list. It seems that you think that neidan is not Qigong and not related to authentic Qi cultivation. Is this your understanding? Xuanming, on 15 Aug 2015 - 11:53, said: When you arrived on earth after your birth, you started your postnatal life. Everything you do including what you eat, what you say, what you think, and what you do all can affect the condition and status of your primal spirit. Opendao said: “no, it doesn't, such things affect xin-mind only.” For example, if you have sexual addiction, or project angers to others or hate others and cause harm to others, you think these kind of behavior affect your mind only but do not affect the status of your primal spirit. Is this your belief and understanding? Xuanming, on 15 Aug 2015 - 11:53, said: The postnatal transformation serves the growth and development of the primal spirit--this is the core practice of Taoist spirituality and immortality. Opendao said: “no, such way nor spirituality, nor immortality cannot be achieved, or all people would become immortals through the natural "postnatal transformation". What’s wrong if all people would become immortals with great health and no sufferings? Do you think that only yourself can become an immortal but not any others? Have you read Innersoundqigong’s post? How do you think about the postnatal sexual energy transformation?
  7. Riding the Phoenix to Penglai

    Thank you for sharing your understanding on internal elixir cultivation and for introducing the teaching from Yu Xian Pai practice. The founder of Yu Xian Pai school is Ma Dan-Yang who directly received transmission and blessing from his teacher, Wang Chong-Yang. He was also the Dragon Gate founder, Qiu Chu-Ji’s mentor. Transforming the Jing essence to primordial Qi for nourishing the shen, is the unique practice of the complete reality school. If you do not know how to transform the Jing essence to primordial Qi, your pre-heaven Jing can easily become postnatal Jing and leak out. Lao Zi, LĂŒ Chun-Yang, Wang Chong-Yang, Ma Dan-Yang, Sun Bu-Er, all know how to transform the Jing essence to primordial Qi for nourishing the shen. In my view, the complete reality school teaches the main following training: Cultivate the body--with authentic Qi cultivation to increase the awareness level of the internal body for internal healing and transformation, including reversing the internal energy flow from outward to inward, stop leaking original Jing and primordial Qi; heal health conditions, and transform unhealthy behavior such as sexual addition, or substance addiction, etc. This involves the first two steps of internal cultivation a)ç‚ŒçČŸćŒ–ç‚ (transforming the postnatal jing essence to prenatal or primordial qi), ç‚Œç‚ć…»ç„ž (refining prenatal qi to nourish the mind); Cultivating the mind--with peaceful mind meditation and quiet sitting to transform the conscious mind and ego to serve the growth and development of the primal spirit; this is the third step c) ç‚Œç„žćŒ–è™š (refining the mind to the primal spirit--shen); The primal spirit-authentic self returns to oneness with the Tao, obtains spiritual freedom, returns to the true home of heaven and achieves spiritual immortality. This is the fourth step d) ç‚Œè™šćˆé“ (refining the primal spirit to accordance with the Tao). When you arrived on earth after your birth, you started your postnatal life. Everything you do including what you eat, what you say, what you think, and what you do all can affect the condition and status of your primal spirit. The postnatal transformation serves the growth and development of the primal spirit--this is the core practice of Taoist spirituality and immortality. Your statement “postnatal cannot be converted to anything primordial” raised my concerns about the teaching of Yu Xian Pai today, because your statement suggests that the current Yu Xian Pai does not know how to transform postnatal energy to serve the growth and development of the primal spirit. Where is the spirit of Ma Dan-Yang in the Yu Xian Pai today?
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    I am so delighted to hear that you teach Daogong (Neigong) and Yu Xian Pai. I agree with you that the Neidan (Internal Elixir) formation is related to cultivation of the original Jing, primordial qi and the primal spirit-Shen. There are many schools in Taoist internal elixir cultivation practice. Majority of the Taoist schools all agree that the principles of internal cultivation are ç‚ŒçČŸćŒ–ç‚ (transforming the postnatal jing essence to prenatal or primordial qi), ç‚Œç‚ć…»ç„ž (refining prenatal qi to nourish the mind), ç‚Œç„žćŒ–è™š (refining the mind to the primal spirit-shen), and ç‚Œè™šćˆé“ (refining the primal spirit to accordance with the Tao). It seems that you read some of the excerpt of Riding the Phoenix to Penglai, but you have not read the book. When I read Riding the Phoenix to Penglai, particularly the section of Taming the dragon, I did not see where Ms. Gonet says that the postnatal Jing is used in Neinan. I did see how Ms. Gonet emphasizes that the appropriate management of postnatal Jing-“sexual energy” is an important part of process in transforming the postnatal jing essence to prenatal or primordial qi. I do believe that you have deep experiential understanding on male Neigong and Yu Xian Pai practice. I would like to visit your class and learn from you about Yu Xian Pai practice. But it is interesting to hear Guys say: “we received the complete method of female elixir cultivation.” Regarding female internal alchemy, it would be great to hear advice and instructions from experienced and successful practitioners from the Purity and Tranquility school but not Guy’s assumptions and projections.
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    The founder of Yu Xian Pai school is Ma Danyang who was Sun Bu-Er’s husband. Both of them were students of Wang Chong-Yang, the founder of complete reality school. I am so delighted to hear that you have been studying internal elixir cultivation from the complete reality school. Are you teaching Taoist practices in Vancouver, BC?
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    One of my live teachers is Wudao Zhenzi, internal elixir school 13 generation lineage holder. At this point, I do not have permission from my other teachers to publish their names on the internet. I am also curious about your experience in Taoist training. Who are your teachers?
  11. Riding the Phoenix to Penglai

    I hope that your conversation about Riding the Phoenix to Penglai will be on your topic and on the subject without disruptions or without conversation hijacker from now on.
  12. Riding the Phoenix to Penglai

    I don’t consider myself a great master, but I do think that I am a truehearted student of the Dao and a sincere internal cultivator. I am so fortunate to have live teachers and companionship in my journey of Dao cultivation. So I can discuss and confirm my experiences and realizations with my teachers and experienced and self-realized practitioners. I am grateful to my teachers and companionship. It is important to be safe and able to prevent delusions and misunderstanding on internal experiences on the path of Daoist cultivation. So Daoist cultivators can successfully realize the authentic self, achieve internal freedom like LĂŒ Dongbin (as he stated in his poem—the Secret of Freedom) or like Sun Bu-Er who found her true home--Penglai.
  13. Riding the Phoenix to Penglai

    Wow! Great awareness, deep realization, and wise advice! Thank you.
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    Taoist Texts, I am so happy to hear that you found a true live teacher so quickly and found yourself. It sounds like you had a significant realization or sudden enlightenment (æ˜Žćżƒè§æ€§). So, now do you believe in live teachers? Can you trust yourself?
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    It is so exciting to see that Taoist Texts began to have self-awareness about himself and found a nice quote to express his self-evaluation. It is also good to hear that Taoist Texts wants to break through the gate of speculation and guesswork, reject commonplace boastful talents and machinations, and seek and visit a true teacher who will clearly explain the secrets to him. It is very significant for Taoist Texts to be aware of how he uses his own false cleverness, and enters into wild arguments and guesswork, to fool himself. For example: This post shows a) Taoist Texts has an inflated big fat ego with disrespect—Have not read this exact book yet, don’t know the book content yet, but assume knows better than the book author; and read the original, but does not understand the meaning of the original, so provided false cleverness, entered into wild arguments and guesswork, and used false information to criticize the book author’s exceptional work. Above Taoist Texts’ translation and commentary of the Poem “Bathing” demonstrated his language talent and skills and showed his experience and understanding of Dao cultivation—no experience and does not understand the meaning of the poem at all. Even though he has no internal cultivation experience and does not understand the meaning of the poem, he pretends that he knows better than people who have rich experience of internal cultivation with internal realization. Opendao had a simple and brilliant question about the second line of Master LĂŒ Dongbin‘s original poem “The Secret of Freedom,” as shown in the above. Taoist Texts’ response to Opendao’s question showed that Taoist Texts did not know the meaning of the second line of the poem at all. He was not able to answer Opendao’s question, but still pretends that he knows better than Opendao who has actual Daoist practice experience. Above posts have shown that Taoist Texts is not a truehearted student of the Dao and not a Taoist practitioner. Now he expresses his desire to seek a true teacher who will clearly explain the secrets to him. So far, it seems that no enlightened teacher or skilled teacher wants to teach Taoist Texts, due to his false cleverness, disrespectful character and arrogant nature without De-virtues. This leads him to believe that no live teachers will teach the secrets to him. Taoist Texts might be right about this—his experience has shown that Taoist Texts has no Yuanfen with the Dao. Now Taoist Texts expresses his desire to seek a true teacher who will clearly explain the secrets to him. I hope that it is not too late for him to find a true live teacher who may explain the secrets to him.