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  1. On 7/26/2019 at 7:40 PM, dawei said:

    Ghosts and spirits move forward and reach this (comprehension of altering fortune),
    247 非鬼神之力也,
    Not because of the ghost’s and spirit’s efforts (in thinking about it),
    248 精氣之極也。
    (But because of) the extent of their vital essence and energy-breath.

    not their. yours.

  2. 32 minutes ago, Bindi said:

    What is the problem with ‘they are a reflection of great purity’,

    the grammar does not support that

    33 minutes ago, Bindi said:

    couldn’t it be understood as being clear in their qi channels and reflecting/mirroring this to the world? 

    may be. i am not sure

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  3. 31 minutes ago, dawei said:

    mirror (鑒) and actually looking/seeing (視).   

    exactly. they are synonyms. what is meant here is


    鑒 於 大 清 They SEE the great purity,
    視 於 大 明 They see the great clarity.


    with the objects of their vision being the spiritual realms the "Great Purity" and "Great Clarity"

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  4. should be


    183 乃能窮天地,
    THEY ARE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND all of Heaven and Earth,
    184 被四 海。
    THEY VIRTUE IS Covering the four seas. (or SITTING AT HOME SEEING FOUR SEAS 坐于室而见四海)


    originally two well attested formulas in contemporary lit

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  5. 37 minutes ago, freeform said:

    It does follow principles that are ancient though.

    good, we are in full agreement then)

    39 minutes ago, freeform said:

    Our difference in opinion stems from: I think that having a skilled teacher is paramount. You seem to think that there is no such thing as a skilled teacher.


    Maybe you did manage to learn how to 'play the violin' by reading sheet music - you've shown no evidence of that though... And even if you can - how do you know that what you're playing is 'music' and not just noise - having never heard a live violinist play?

    all good questions, lets take them up in a more suitable topic unless they are rhetorical


    40 minutes ago, freeform said:

    Sure - but I'd have to show you - in front of a nice pine tree preferably

    i live in hope. )

  6. 26 minutes ago, freeform said:

    You practice a rather modern art yourself.

    i respectfully disagree but me being just myself what do i know)


    27 minutes ago, freeform said:

    Classical texts generally don’t describe practices

    i respectfully disagree but studying those for just 20 years what do i know)


    29 minutes ago, freeform said:

    1. Ping Heng Gong has nothing to do with ingesting external Qi.



    we took our positions six feet away from a tree and made smooth up and down chi kung movements in order to contact the trees energy field. After going up and down only twice my shoulders were already protesting and out of some kind of desperation, I asked the tree to please support me. The moment I had pronounced that little inward prayer the pain was gone and my arms moved up and down effortlessly. Along the process the tree energetically took hold of me slowly but surely. Well, I’m only 5 feet something compared to that 50 feet tree. The energetics are somehow similar to a fountain: the moment you drop something small into it the upward force will drag it along. If you look at the structure of a tree it basically has a fountain structure, not only upward but also downward. And once you’ve become energetically one with a tree,



    This shows a major misunderstanding. 

    I agree) care to dispel it?

  7. 7 hours ago, freeform said:

    Ok... I think I might have ascribed more of a sense of humour to you.

    ahh the famous brit humour





    Britain's unique take on humor may seem baffling at first


    7 hours ago, freeform said:
    12 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

    1. Working with external objects is a sure sign of a false method (fake Longmen in this case)


    How do you know? 

    Thank you for asking Freeform


    I know for following reasons:

    1. The foundational Taoist texts refer to ingesting external qi as 'madness', while on the subject of  trees it is specifically said 'the plants and trees wither and rot, they can not even save themselves, how can they help you?"

    2. Nowhere in Longmen or Quanzhen literature any practice with any external objects is so much as hinted at (except to refute it).

    3. Tree practice is advocated by famous modern teachers. "famous modern teachers"=fake

    4. My own experience.


    But since Longmen and trees came up, here is an endearing cartoon of Longmen's founder Qiu

    practicing under a numinous tree


    beating up the lumberjacks to protect the tree


    seeing the tree spirit in a vision


    unable to save the tree, he stops his student from maiming the lumberjacks


    celebrating and mourning the tree in a poem





  8. On 7/26/2019 at 7:32 PM, dawei said:

    183 乃能窮天地,
    One can then absorb all of Heaven and Earth,
    184 被四 海。
    Covering the four seas.

    this is obviously a misplaced or a garbled insertion. At any event translators just rendered it literally not even trying to comprehend the meaning


    Otherwise everybody got it more or less correct. Would be hard to mess up a passage this clear

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  9. 4 hours ago, freeform said:

    I thought it was pretty clear

    no, not clear at all, including clear to you. If it was clear to you, your answer would be specific. But thanks for replying.


    My comment on the OP:

    1. Working with external objects is a sure sign of a false method (fake Longmen in this case)

    2. Weird stuff going on with you let alone done to you is a sure sign of a deviation

    3. Trees dont do anything. If you think they do you are deluding yourself.


  10. 2 hours ago, Old Student said:

    I couldn't get the image jpeg to load, 





    2 hours ago, Old Student said:

    1) 神自靈. Ling is used as a verb, I think here it means that the spirit of the corporeal person becomes the ethereal spirit (returns to emptiness)?

    Yes it does, but Ling is not a verb. "神spirit 自on its own becomes 靈numinous"


    2) Is it refining (bodily/after heaven) jing becomes original qi refining original qi becomes original shen (original being 元)? Or is it refining bodily jing becomes original qi, refining bodily qi becomes original shen, refining shen becomes ling and returns to emptiness?

    Interestingly, both answers are affirmative


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  11. 3 hours ago, joeblast said:

    making great coin

    Yes, it is about the money but even more so, it is about the global power. The globalist strategy is two prong: 1 to beat down china 2 to ride the Muslim demographic expansion. The coordinated organ harvesting hoax fits nicely with the innocent oppressed Muslim canard. This psy-op is timed to shore up the trade war with china with its never-ending  



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  12. On 6/16/2019 at 9:35 PM, dawei said:

    160 我心治, 官乃治。
    When my heart is orderly, my senses are orderly;
    161 我心安, 官乃安。
    When my heart is peaceful, my senses are peaceful.

    everybody got this backwards being fooled by the sentence order. "i govern my heart by governing my senses"

  13. 24 minutes ago, joeblast said:

    Its mind boggling that an adult educated western person can take this drivel at face value




    An independent tribunal sitting in London has concluded that the killing of detainees in China for organ transplants  is continuing....


    Jennifer Zeng, a Falun Gong activist  ....who fled China in 2001, did not see any direct evidence of forced organ removal 




    unbelievable. there must be good money in this type of psy-ops tho

  14. 19 hours ago, dawei said:


    This 'cloud-like Qi' seems a very unusual phrase.  I can't find an example of it outside of a nature point of view (clouds). 

    i was confused about that phrase but then found out that 谓云 means 'to say or to call". so its likely it just means 'it is called qi'

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