Nungali

We too are a colony (physically and psychologically) . That doesnt mean we cant have 'mind' , which I see as close to the analogy of 'hive' , as I have mentioned before. In 'mind' you will see the difference ; that specific human trait that no other animal has that allowed us to develop culture through that process of mind / imagination - originally linked to tool making and specifically, imagined future usages being used in the present to effect design , especially in the case of multiple usage for a designed tool ... or 'soul' as I like to call it ( not soul, as in some type of 'astral ghost' concept ) . When this process is 'satisfied' , a large part of the human nature is satisfied .

Comment on another forum ; woman posts - man posts after her ; Hmmmm .... ..... when I lived with a woman , there was never any need for her to do either of those things .

Home grown mangoes ! Freekeh - cooked in stock and tossed with fried and 'Moroccan spiced' little tofu cubes, chickpeas, onion, carrot, nuts, currants, parsley, lemon juice. Its good at room temp (too hot to cook at the moment ..... continual over 35 C ! ) When that runs out I might make some 'jeweled rice ' ;

Oh, come on now Lois , cant you find a better one than that ? Dont they make them in Russia and you have to use a dodgy Thai import ? All righty then .... for the Ruskies ; 101 in prank film making ;

" It's all in the imagination . " Well ...... my imagination is pretty out there !

Now half are back .... ? Meh ... I go check emails instead .

ad now they are back ! ... exceot for your one that only shows a thin stip of green at the top . some loading issue probably ? )The little circle will not stop going round and round new computer , new modem , .... ripp off internet company ! .... they just changed to strings of code numbers

'Circumambulations' can be an important part of ritual ..... one hope though that they would be from conscious intent .

The best way .... if you have some clarity ..... is fairly obvious 'feels good' is important . Good 'spirits' lead to good things and bad to bad . here is Dr VanDusen on the subject " In my dialogues with patients I learned of two orders of experience, borrowing from the voices themselves, called the higher and the lower order. " Lower order voices are as though one is dealing with drunken bums at a bar who like to tease and torment just for the fun of it. They will suggest lewd acts and then scold the patient for considering them. They find a weak point of conscience and work on it interminably. For instance one man heard voices teasing him for three years over a ten-cent debt he had already paid. They call the patient every conceivable name, suggest every lewd act, steal memories or ideas right out of consciousness, threaten death, and work on the patient's credibility in every way. For instance they will brag that they will produce some disaster on the morrow and then claim honor for one in the daily paper. They suggest foolish acts (such as: Raise your right hand in the air and stay that way) and tease if he does it and threaten him if he doesn't. The lower order can work for a long time to possess some part of the patient's body. Several worked on the ear and the patient seemed to grow deafer. One voice worked two years to capture a patient's eye which visibly went out of alignment. Many patients have heard loud and clear voices plotting their death for weeks on end, an apparently nervewracking experience. One patient saw a noose around his neck which tied to "I don't know what" while voices plotted his death by hanging. They threaten pain and can cause felt pain as a way of enforcing their power. The most devastating experience of all is to be shouted at constantly by dozens of voices. When this occurred the patient had to be sedated. The vocabulary and range of ideas of the lower order is limited, but they have a persistent will to destroy. They invade every nook and cranny of privacy, work on every weakness and credibility, claim awesome powers, lie, make promises and then undermine the patient's will. They never have a personal identity though they accept most names or identities given them. They either conceal or have no awareness of personal memories. Though they claim to be separate identities they will reveal no detail that might help to trace them as separate individuals. Their voice quality can change or shift, leaving the patient quite confused as to who might be speaking. When identified as some friend known to the patient they can assume this voice quality perfectly. For convenience many patients call them by nick-names, such as "Fred," The Doctor," or "The Old Timer.” I've heard it said by the higher order that the purpose of the lower order is to illuminate all of the person's weaknesses. They do that admirably and with infinite patience. To make matters worse they hold out promises to patients and even give helpful sounding advice only to catch the patient in some weakness. Even with the patient's help I found the lower order difficult to relate to because of their disdain for me as well as the patient. The limited vocabulary and range of ideas of the lower order is striking. A few ideas can be repeated endlessly. One voice just said "hey" for months while the patient tried to figure out what "hey" or "hay" was meant. Even when I was supposedly speaking to an engineer that a woman heard, the engineer was unable to do any more arithmetic than simple sums and multiplication the woman had memorized. The lower order seems incapable of sequential reasoning. Though they often claim to be in some distant city they cannot report more than the patient sees, hears, or remembers. They seem imprisoned in the lowest level of the patient's mind, giving no real evidence of a personal world or any higher order thinking or experiencing . " All of the lower order are irreligious or anti-religious. Some actively interfered with the patients' religious practices. Most considered them to be ordinary living people, though once they appeared as conventional devils and referred to themselves as demons. In a few instances they referred to themselves as from hell. Occasionally they would speak through the patient so that the patient's voice and speech would be directly those of the voices. Sometimes they acted through the patient. One of my female patients was found going out the hospital gate arguing loudly with her male voice that she didn't want to leave, but he was insisting. Like many, this particular hallucination claimed to be Jesus Christ, but his bragging and argumentativeness rather gave him away as of the lower order. Sometimes the lower order is embedded in physical concerns, such as a lady who was tormented by "experimenters" painfully treating her joints to prevent arthritis. She held out hope they were helping her, though it was apparent to any onlooker they had all but destroyed her life as a free and intelligent person. " In direct contrast stands the rarer higher order hallucinations. In quantity they make up perhaps a fifth or less of the patients' experiences. The contrast may be illustrated by the experience of one man. He had heard the lower order arguing a long while how they would murder him. He also had a light come to him at night like the sun. He knew it was a different order because the light respected his freedom and would withdraw if it frightened him. In contrast, the lower order worked against his will and would attack if it could see fear in him. This rarer higher order seldom speaks, whereas the lower order can talk endlessly. The higher order is much more likely to be symbolic, religious, supportive, genuinely instructive, and communicate directly with the inner feelings of the patient. I've learned to help the patient approach the higher order because of its great power to broaden the individual's values. When the man was encouraged to approach his friendly sun he entered a world of powerful numinous experiences, in some ways more frightening than the murderers who plotted his death. In one scene he found himself at the bottom of a long corridor with doors at the end behind which raged the powers of hell. He was about to let out these powers when a very powerful and impressive Christ-like figure appeared and by direct mind-to-mind communication counseled him to leave the doors closed and follow him into other experiences which were therapeutic to him. In another instance the higher order appeared to a man as a lovely woman who entertained him while showing him thousands of symbols. Though the patient was a high-school educated gaspipe fitter, his female vision showed a knowledge of religion and myth far beyond the patient's comprehension. At the end of a very rich dialogue with her (the patient reporting her symbols and responses) the patient asked for just a clue as to what she and I were talking about. Another example is that of a Negro who gave up being useful and lived as a drunken thief. In his weeks of hallucinations the higher order carefully instructed him on the trials of all minority groups and left him with the feeling he would like to do something for minorities. In general the higher order is richer than the patient's normal experience, respectful of his freedom, helpful, instructive, supportive, highly symbolic and religious. It looks most like Carl Jung's archetypes, whereas the lower order looks like Freud's id. In contrast to the lower order, it thinks in something like universal ideas in ways that are richer and more complex than the patient's own mode of thought. It can be very powerful emotionally and carry with it an almost inexpressible ring of truth. The higher order tends to enlarge a patient's values, something like a very wise and considerate instructor. Some patients experience both the higher and lower orders at various times and feel caught between a private heaven and hell. Many only know the attacks of the lower order. The higher order claims power over the lower order and indeed shows it at times, but not enough to give peace of mind to most patients. The higher order itself has indicated that the usefulness of the lower order is to illustrate and make conscious the patients' weaknesses and faults. " http://www.searchwithin.org/download/presence_spirits.pdf Interestingly, Dr VanDusen has outlined some of the precepts and methods used in magical evocation and invocation . Such things can be tested .

Doesnt sound like any 'spirit presence' ... whatever that means ..... to me . The usual signs ( and related to many other unusual perceived phenomena ) are 'gooseflesh' 'hair standing up' etc . Unless its a case of mistaken observation .

Ummmmm .... all the pictures are now gone ? is it just my computer ?

So, Thor does know what he is doing ..... he is just lazy .

Whats that ? You say my rates and water charges are going up ? ......

In 1991 Geller filed a $15 million lawsuit against Randi and the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) over slander concerning Randi's statements that Geller had "tricked even reputable scientists" with tricks that "are the kind that used to be on the back of cereal boxes when I was a kid".[1] The court dismissed the case and Geller had to eventually settle the case at a cost of $120,000 In February 1992, Geller sued Randi, Prometheus and local book distributors in London, England for libel concerning The Magic of Uri Geller.[2] The lawsuit centered on the sentence: "He began his career as a stage magician in Israel where he was once arrested for claiming his feats were performed with psychic power", since Geller had not been arrested but merely sued. The publisher issued an erratum that changed the phrase "he was once arrested" to "he was once sued".[2] Randi commented in 1993 that "My position is that I made an unintended factual error in misinterpreting the words 'brought to court' and 'guilty' as 'arrested,' and that this was done without malice or reckless disregard for the truth."[2]Geller lost this case as well and had to pay Randi's legal fees In April 1992 Geller sued Prometheus Books for $4 million alleging libel in two other books.[3] This suit was thrown out in 1994 and the judge ordered Geller to pay $20,272.89 in legal fees.[3] After Geller's three lawsuits, Randi said he "never paid even one dollar or even one cent to anyone who ever sued me, and certainly not to Geller" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truth_About_Uri_Geller

I am a modern man ... but still, sometimes .....

I think most movies nowadays are real crap . Not into the movies at all . But I will watch this one ! This ( true ) story story got me when I first heard it, way before there was a movie concept about it " Five-year-old Saroo gets lost on a train which takes him thousands of Kilometers across India, away from home and family. Saroo must learn to survive alone in Kolkata, before ultimately being adopted by an Australian couple. Twenty-five years later, armed with only a handful of memories, his unwavering determination, and a revolutionary technology known as Google Earth, he sets out to find his lost family and finally return to his first home. " https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lion_2016/

.... like this ;

.... and what keeps everything alive on earth , while it is out there , wandering around with no Sun and a stable orbit around it ? (Aside from the sheer audacity to think we will still be here several billion years from now ! )

I see ... global warming , oceans rising, people being displaced , Bhutan about to be ruined ...... but if you get a little chilly ... let's move even closer to the sun to warm you up a bit . Or, you could put a coat and gloves on for a bit . . . . . . if it not too much if an inconvenience .

When, after a long day of running around, you finally find the time to relax in your favorite armchair, nothing seems easier than just sitting still. But have you ever considered how fast you are really moving when it seems you are not moving at all? To make one complete rotation in 24 hours, a point near the equator of the Earth must move at close to 1000 miles per hour (1600 km/hr). The speed gets less as you move north, but it's still a good clip throughout the United States the Earth also revolves around the Sun. We are approximately 93 million miles (150 million km) from the Sun, and at that distance, it takes us one year (365 days) to go around once. The full path of the Earth's orbit is close to 600 million miles (970 million km). To go around this immense circle in one year takes a speed of 66,000 mph ( 107,000kph ) . Relative to the local standard of rest, our Sun and the Earth are moving at about 43,000 miles per hour (70,000 km/hr) roughly in the direction of the bright star Vega in the constellation of Lyra. In addition to the individual motions of the stars within it, the entire Galaxy is in spinning motion like an enormous pinwheel . The speed with which the Sun has to move is 483,000 miles per hour (792,000 km/hr) . How fast is the Milky Way Galaxy moving? The speed turns out to be 1.3 million miles per hour (2.1 million km/hr). So we are moving at a fair clip around the Earth, around the Sun, around the Milky Way, and through the Universe. ( And you dont even have to hang on to the arms of your armchair ! ) https://astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html

I am surprised no one has posted this . Earth already is a space ship, on a journey, with a destination . Nuclear engines , warp drives and all your other puny human technology is no match for the engine that drives us , we use the energy that is spread throughout the Universe, is free and inexhaustible. I challenge anyone to come up with a better one . The problem with the passengers is , a lot of them got caught up in 'individual ego survival' . On that trip , I suppose not much of ' the plan ' makes sense ?

Dont believe everything that you hear .....