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  1. Are Sangha's Healthy?

    One view on Sangha is that mixing with a group we get various feelings stirred up within. In a real Buddhist Sangha these things that get stirred up inside us are the things we need to work on within ourselves. Sangha can create frictions that stir up different feelings. If we handle those feelings we grow. If we run away from them we don't grow on that point. Norbu
  2. A thought I had while reading the above, sensible approach is that westerners rarely know the product of an exercise. They are well concentrated on the doingness but rarely do I hear mention of the actual product of an exercise , how much is enough? What "thing" (or things) can I expect to see manifesting when I have achieved the final product of the exercise. If I don't know that product, I could easily overdo an exercise (or under do) and there in is I feel the danger. You don't know you have achieved the result so you "pour on the pressure" and the packing is overdone. My first teacher told me that a result of Iron Shirt, for ex, was to withstand a hard blow during combat. I let a friend who was over 200 lbs and a capable black belt, hit me with all his strength in the solar plexus with a full lunge punch with all his weight behind his fist. It didn't hurt me or in any way faze me. Did that mean I was "complete" in my Iron Shirt work? I have no idea how to answer that. I no longer did the Iron Shirt exercises, and I no longer bothered to block if I was in a free fight. I just took the kicks and punches as they came. Then the novelty wore off and I went on to other forms of training. But I wonder if any of you guys have an idea or two or three re what would be the final product of Iron Shirt? Norbu
  3. Bon Dzogchen Meditation instructions

    I was fortunate enough to spend 3 weeks in retreat with Geshe Tenzin Wangyal one summer, and the entire teaching/practice was on A-Khrid Dzogchen. They also introduced an A-Khrid Trul Khor (A Tibetan Yoga) we did each morning. The Bon have three practices of Dzogchen: A-Khrid, Zhang Zhung Nyen Gyu, and Dzogchen. I gained a great deal from Geshe Tenzin that summer, and could totally advise on getting his books on Dzogchen. He taught at Rice University, and as he told us, he learned how to talk to Americans, and most importantly he learned ho to teach Westerners. His instructions are clear and easy to follow. Norbu
  4. Yeah, I think you are correct in your view of IS. I'll probably just leave it alone , at least for now. Thanks again for the help. Norbu
  5. I appreciate all the input and thoughts you guys have listed here in response to my question. I think what I most wanted to ask, but didn't, is this: Why is Iron Shirt necessary for Tai Chi? I've done Chen, Sun and Yang with good instructors...but none ever mentioned anything about Iron Shirt. I've always considered Iron Shirt a "Hard style" practice. Can anyone clarify for me why Iron Shirt is even needed for Tai Chi? Does it add anything to the practice? Norbu
  6. Thanks to all of you for the added insights. I need to clarify my origin post, with apologies. I'm new to this website so not sure always what terminology is used by most of you. The shaking, vibrating etc of arms and legs while doing standing (or sitting) qigong I am familiar with. As most of you said, I just "ride it out" and pay no attention to it. What I was calling "spontaneous movements" is different I think. My body would almost "float" is very gentle, slow moves, not unlike a very slow Yang TC form. I would "back off" and let the energy move me until it stopped. My teacher at that time was a man from Shansi provence who was a close friend of T.T. Liang. He suggested I just "let go" and let the energy move me. At times when the motion would stop, my entire body would vibrate in a very fine frequency not unlike a tuning fork. My teacher referred to these moves as "no-form" and when I did a memorized form he called the "form". At this time in my training I would do standing for an hour to two hours each day. We had nine postures we used. I was just curious as I haven't met anyone who had this experience over the years, bt thought maybe someone on this site has had these type of movements. Norbu
  7. Thanks for your input guys. Nothing like asking and getting experienced answers. I had always considered Iron Shirt, Bone and Marrow work as a hard style chi kung associated with shoalin and other hard styles. The Tai Chi interests me as where I live there are no Tai Chi teachers with any background to speak of, so I was curious enough to buy and read the Tai Chi book, which as you know, kept promoting his Iron Shirt book. Anyone else want to chime in, I appreciate all the input I can get. Norbu
  8. Correct use of Tarot

    I have studied Tarot/Qabala since the early 60's. I am a member of two different esoteric orders, both of which specialize in Tarot use. The BOTA school in L.A. is by far and beyond the repository for correct use of Tarot in this time. The Avalon Group, formed by Gareth Knight, and presently headed by Wendy Berg, is another excellent order if you want to learn the true uses of Tarot. I saw several places on here where people were trying to "go it alone." One word of caution: You don't have the knowledge to determine what training is best for you. You are letting the ego determine how you train and this will never bring you a truly successful result. Neither of these groups is expensive to join, so my advice is if you are going to play with the Fire, learn how to build a proper stove to contain the Fire. Norbu
  9. Has anyone worked with Mantak Chia's Tai Chi Chi Kung? If so, was it beneficial? Any pros and cons appreciated. I have done Yang, Chen, and Sun Tai Chi and have always had a "gut feeling" that this 13 step system is about all one would need for self defense. (I have a 4th Dan in Shorin, and 1st Dan's in several other hard style arts,and these are what I use should a need arise to defend myself or my family.) I am currently re-learning Chen Man Ching's 37 step form, but am curious about this one b Mantak Chia. Norbu
  10. Has anyone had experience with Mantak Chia's Iron Shirt system? Did it seem to produce a beneficial result? What is your experience with the system both pro and con? I'm not interested in it as a martial art/combat skill, but as a prerequisite for his Tai Chi Chi Kung. Norbu
  11. The VHS tapes were by sifu dunn.
  12. Thanks for the info re Spring Forest. I've ordered the CD you mentioned and will give it a try. Norbu
  13. Back a few pages I was reading a reply Sifu Terry Dunn had given a person who asked about involuntary body motion: "With regards to the involuntary vibratory motion and swaying of the upper body, head and neck areas caused by the seated FP meditations: JUST RELAX AND LET THE ENERGY MOVE YOU NATURALLY. YIELD TO IT FOR IT IS A SMOOTH AND SUBLIME HEALING ENERGY. and the energy will move your body naturally if you relax. The vibratory effects of the FP energy will ALWAYS subside eventually." I learned a system of chi kung back in the early 70's which essentially had 9 standing postures. When done, if you relaxed deeply enough, the body would begin involuntary motions, not unlike a Tai Chi form. The basic things my sifu told me were: (1) relax and let the chi move your body unimpeded. (2) Don't start thinking etc as this could break the flow. Just do a sort of "zazen" while the body was moving. (3) In any given day, the energy would move your body according to what its needs were on that day, and when the chi was through cleaning you out, the movement would just stop. I never discuss this with people due to so many being negative toward the exercise. Now I see Sifu Terry Dunn giving similar info to a student on this forum, so I want to ask: Has anyone else learned this system of chi kung...or had a similar experience of body movement? I later learned a Tibetan system from a girl friend who lived with George Oshawa (founder of the Macrobiotics system) and it is about ten times more powerful but I have rarely shown it to anyone. In the method I learned in the 70's when we let the energy move the body we called that "No Form" as it wasn't based on a memorized form. When we did a memorized form (Tai Chi for ex) we called that "Form". Anyone else learn this system? Or experience this involuntary motion? Norbu
  14. Thanks for the advice guys. I guess I'll check out Mantak Chia's website. Like he's the leper with the most fingers I guess. When I did Yin Xin qigong, the circuit just took off on its own This time I wanted to resume working with it and wasn't sure who to use as a source.
  15. I was browsing the web and saw a set of VHS tapes for Terry's Flying Phoenix chi kung. My first question is does anyone know if there are differences between content on the VHS and DVD? I saw, for one example, a 50 part chi kung form on the VHS and a 20 part form on DVD. Does anyone know why this difference? Is there a reason the 20 step form is more complete than the 50 step? I plan to buy the VHS tapes and have them converted to DVD, but wanted to save the money if there was a reason not to. (I just began FP and it produces splendid results.) Norbu