Opening the Third Eye: Spiritual Sight

[ChiForce]

Hmm....drugs? Seriously, can Chi and drugs mixed? Think about it. The purpose of the Chi is to cleanse your system. Somehow, you are introducing drugs into your system in order to guide your Chi. Would this be called the dirty Chi??? Or Chi without directions?

Edited April 10, 2013 by ChiForce

[Guest pix58]

For whatever it's worth my take is that if you are meant to have your third eye opened it will happen naturally without outside help!. If it does then great for you, you are progressing into seeing the true world.

It is quite something when you see that absolutely everything has an energy field/aura, so many different colours and widths. If you are into any healing seeing this field can help you know where the problems are and what type of energy you need to use to bring back balance.

It can help also when it comes to identifying negative energy within others that are best to avoid.

All this is depends upon the different colours you see or even sense. A dull colour will denote problems according to the colour spectrum it belongs to and the associated body area. Bright vibrant colours are good.

It can also give you information as to the spiritual level of a person and their intentions and possibilities.

If you have any chi knowledge you can also bring your chi up to your third eye with the intention of opening it further, which can open you to other experiences such as spirit/energy beings etc but that is a different ball game.

All the best and enjoy your gift which comes to you by right

 

P.S when I used to get bored in meetings I often used to zone out and start checking out the others aura's trouble was when something was asked of me I had to think quickly as to what the heck they were talking about...lol...often found myself taking on something I would have avoided otherwise.

Edited April 10, 2013 by pix58

[hydrogen]

Hmm....drugs? Seriously, can Chi and drugs mixed? Think about it. The purpose of the Chi is to cleanse your system. Somehow, you are introducing drugs into your system in order to guide your Chi. Would this be called the dirty Chi??? Or Chi without directions?

 

Well, isn't tao an art of internal alchemy? In layman's term, it's making drugs inside one's body.

 

Do you take vitamin? Is that a "drug"? Do you drink coffee? Is that a "drug"?

[Spotless]

my intent was to find out with certainty if my third eye is damaged or reparable.

It is fine.

[Spotless]

The use of drugs should be considered with care - that said - Steve Jobs certainly found them life changing.

 

Given our inherited religious blinders, sometimes a breakthrough is helpful - the veil can be pretty thick and our inheritance can put us in a jail that is pretty hard to move beyond if we do not recognize its existence.

[ChiForce]

Well, isn't tao an art of internal alchemy? In layman's term, it's making drugs inside one's body.

 

Do you take vitamin? Is that a "drug"? Do you drink coffee? Is that a "drug"?

You are in a way correct, that food and drinks you consume during the day would inhibit your chi cultivation process. I know because my night time meditation would often produce less meditation results (completing the microcosmic orbit with a good health of warm chi) than in the morning. At night, I could meditate for over an hour and could barely feel the chi. In the morning, after waking up, within 25 minutes, I would experience multiple microcosmic orbits.

 

I guess, over the course of my sleep, my body is cleansing itself. In fact, I often felt a sense of extreme hunger in the morning. So great that I dream of being hungry in my dreams.

Edited April 10, 2013 by ChiForce

[Samurai Mountain man]

As I said it in my first post. I'm putting psychedelics forward as an option to put taboos aside, because I believe It's perfectly valid to discuss them with mature, reasonable and unburdened logic.

 

LSD is described as something that's helped many people with opening their third eye and breaking mental barriers. So yeah. I advocate the responsible use of substances to achieve higher mental states -if such a thing's even possible- or the simple recreational activity. I believe ethical exploration of all options is an essential part in growth, do you not agree? I both respect and support those who would prefer to steer clear of the synthetic options and deepen on a more traditional approach, there's many of us and that means we can all explore different paths to a similar goal and then possibly add what we've learned to the collective knowledge.

 

So in favor of contributing to a more drug-free branch of the thread, I used my black belt in google-fu and dug out some reading material, bear in mind i've glanced upon it but i'll be reading it more closely this afternoon.

 

http://www.essencetraining.com/Thirdeye_2013

http://www.psychic-junkie.com/opening-the-third-eye.html

http://decalcifypinealgland.com/how-to-decalcify-the-pineal-gland/

http://dherbs.com/forums/index.php?topic=171.0

 

Hyyyyoooooaaaaaaaaaaoooouuuuuuhhhh.

[ChiForce]

As I said it in my first post. I'm putting psychedelics forward as an option to put taboos aside, because I believe It's perfectly valid to discuss them with mature, reasonable and unburdened logic.

 

LSD is described as something that's helped many people with opening their third eye and breaking mental barriers. So yeah. I advocate the responsible use of substances to achieve higher mental states -if such a thing's even possible- or the simple recreational activity. I believe ethical exploration of all options is an essential part in growth, do you not agree? I both respect and support those who would prefer to steer clear of the synthetic options and deepen on a more traditional approach, there's many of us and that means we can all explore different paths to a similar goal and then possibly add what we've learned to the collective knowledge.

 

So in favor of contributing to a more drug-free branch of the thread, I used my black belt in google-fu and dug out some reading material, bear in mind i've glanced upon it but i'll be reading it more closely this afternoon.

 

http://www.essencetraining.com/Thirdeye_2013

http://www.psychic-junkie.com/opening-the-third-eye.html

http://decalcifypinealgland.com/how-to-decalcify-the-pineal-gland/

http://dherbs.com/forums/index.php?topic=171.0

 

Hyyyyoooooaaaaaaaaaaoooouuuuuuhhhh.

I disagree. Not the same path, not even the same goal. Merits play a huge part in the cultivation process. If you don't have enough merits, certain spiritual experiences would not be available to you. Using drugs as a equalizer would produce different results. Let's face this, what is the difference between someone who has endured much in life in order to accumulate enough merits to have the door to spirituality be opened to him or her, versus, some dude popping some pills and to get a free ride? One has enough merits and other does not....

 

FYI, you can take all the drugs you want but don't say no one warns you. Remember, merits......

[Samurai Mountain man]

Merits play a huge part in the cultivation process. If you don't have enough merits, certain spiritual experiences would not be available to you. Using drugs as a equalizer would produce different results.

 

I respect where you're comming from, and I understand the reasoning perfectly, but here's what I think:

 

Heaven and Earth are impartial

They regard myriad things as straw dogs

The sages are impartial

They regard people as straw dogs

 

As much as I believe in meritocracy, the universe kept on telling me it didn't give a damn about deserving or not, this I believe and in this I trust. I've seen enough unfair suffering and death in my short time to realize it. The main reason why I even got into Taoism is because I was done with fighting the unfairness of the universe, and then I understood the universe was perfectly fair all along it was me who was thinking merit and proverbial karma had anything to do on how it worked.

[chenping]

The main reason why I even got into Taoism is because I was done with fighting the unfairness of the universe, and then I understood the universe was perfectly fair all along it was me who was thinking merit and proverbial karma had anything to do on how it worked.

 

Do you realize that the Taoism you have gotten into may be unconnected to the classical Chinese version of the Tao Te Ching? I don't even see a connection between Philosophical Daoism of the west and the Third Eye. The disconnect between eastern and western worldviews could account for your western LSD approach to your western version of an eastern goal.

Edited April 11, 2013 by chenping

[BaguaKicksAss]

 

 

Brain damage? Check.

 

Just because I am intelligent and aware does not mean I am not brain damaged.

It is an affliction not an insult.

 

Permanent tinnitus is one symptom of an acute strike to the base of my skull.

 

But the fluoride came earlier in life and I've only recently learned that it could have a negative impact on spiritual sight.

And it is the only explanation that i have come across that might explain why i am so perpetually unable to see clearly, or dream lucidly...

 

Unless i am expected to starve myself and freeze my nuts off in the wild, doing nothing but meditate, in which case, keep your astral world to yourselves. its not worth suffering over.

Funny thing, I have noticed that people who have experienced mild brain damage end up with high IQ still, but memory problems. However the really interesting thing is that they tend to end up suddenly psychic.

 

Instead of permanent damage to your third eye, I would say more like you are working really hard at keeping it very closed. We all do this to an extent; our society does not approve of or encourage such things (to put it mildly). There's also that whole fear thing. The more internal crap one clears out, the more psychic one becomes.

[Spotless]

The use of a drug can have a positive overall effect.

 

The merit points arguement is naive.

 

Coffee is a drug and it can have both a positive and a negative effect.

 

You may come to the table with a rich past and you may have incorporated a defining moment in your life where here in the United States or "West" you anticipated a need to create a way to overcome the jail of our childish and narrow religious programming.

 

Ask youself just exactly where an unbending opinion is coming from if it is unequivocally against any use of any drug?

 

I am not advocating long term use or even "ocassional use". But use specifically to bridge the gap may have immensly positive results.

 

If you are cemented to the idea that this is not an organic approach - then do you also say that having a Qi Gong master moving his/her Qi into you - perhaps stimulating your 6th chakra - is this also taboo?

 

Look into the Eastern practices and you will see a whole host of methods to stimulate certain areas and experiences - many of them far more dangerous than taking LSD or a Mushroom.

 

Sometimes the "purity" ideals are as far from what is apropos as can be. This is often gritty tough clawing work where progress is measured in "I am still breathing".

Edited April 11, 2013 by Spotless

[BaguaKicksAss]

To open up the third eye, the best thing is meditation, lots of it, daily. Sure boring at first, but really it works.

 

The catch though is, it's not like you only get to sense, see and feel the good stuff. You also get to to feel the sorrow of the person who just lost a loved one, get to see the nasty spirit attached to the homeless person you just walked by, get to know how much pain some people are in, get to hear trapped spirits screaming, get to know when folks are just pretending they like you (though this is sort of handy). There are an equal number of positive aspects of course, but folks tend to forget about the downside.

 

I was born psychic. Seeing ghosts both friendly and unfriendly when I was 5 was most definitely not enjoyable. Fortunately my mother found me a teacher back then.

 

What usually happens I have found is that people start to open up with various spiritual practices, see something which deeply disturbs them or freaks them out (such as the list above), then forget it happened and shut back down.

 

The only things I have seen help folks see better is meditation and a stronger connection with Deity. I'm sure there are other things as well, but those are the main ones.

 

Drugs, well they can shut your mind up, and it is the mind that gets in the way. However, not very useful if one has to take an 8 hour trip just to use the third eye. In my opinion I mean, there are thousands upon thousands of Shamans who would very heartily disagree with me.

[DragonsNectar69k]

Hrmmm. Where do I start this rant..

 

I only began noticing this thing called the inner eye after I began making it a habit to meditate every mornning, with no intent in mind. It came naturally. As well the heightened level of awareness and the interesting phenomeon of quiting the mind. My dreams became more lucid and then this dim violet ring of energy began to appear in my minds eye. Mind you, I had one expierence that I did mention in another forum post where I was told it was time for my 'awakening' while I was in a lucid state one morning. I saw the vision of an angel in my minds eye and the rest is history.

 

Clairvision can be a great blessing to a student as well as a healer who gets to 'see' and get to the root of an issue or discussion. It is also very helpful in studying and reading the numerous esoteric teachings and books that we have here in this world. But with that said, once this eye opens, YOU WILL see the world differently. I had to overcome alot of fear and accept the fact that many do live in a unconscious state and are blind to the spiritual side of things unforunately. Sometimes the very people you love or consider family. But it can also make religion fun as well. lolz. Going to different churches and sites to expierence the spirit there in and to truly see what is going on. Very fun.

[三江源]

Do you realize that the Taoism you have gotten into may be unconnected to the classical Chinese version of the Tao Te Ching? I don't even see a connection between Philosophical Daoism of the west and the Third Eye. The disconnect between eastern and western worldviews could account for your western LSD approach to your western version of an eastern goal.

I wonder if there is any connection at all. How could we even find out?!

[chenping]

I wonder if there is any connection at all. How could we even find out?!

 

To find out if there is any connection between A and B, press A and see if there is any response at B.

No response confirms no connection.

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.viewzone.com/pineal.html

 

This article on the third eye quotes me -- I just emailed the author asking if he wants me to provide a follow up article giving a scientific explanation of qi energy based on my latest research....

 

The Pineal Gland -- The "Seat of the Soul"?

[suninmyeyes]

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Edited April 11, 2013 by suninmyeyes

[chenping]

The use of a drug can have a positive overall effect.

 

Effect with regard to what?

 

The merit points arguement is naive.

 

Why do you say that?

 

Coffee is a drug and it can have both a positive and a negative effect.

 

You may come to the table with a rich past and you may have incorporated a defining moment in your life where here in the United States or "West" you anticipated a need to create a way to overcome the jail of our childish and narrow religious programming.

 

Ask youself just exactly where an unbending opinion is coming from if it is unequivocally against any use of any drug?

 

I would say the unbending opinion comes from common sense. I find it impossible to stick a knife into my belly or slit my own throat. Where do you think my unbending opinion of such actions comes from?

 

I am not advocating long term use or even "ocassional use". But use specifically to bridge the gap may have immensly positive results.

 

If you are cemented to the idea that this is not an organic approach - then do you also say that having a Qi Gong master moving his/her Qi into you - perhaps stimulating your 6th chakra - is this also taboo?

 

Qi is not a substance foreign to the body. LSD is. Transfer of Qi is similar to exchange of bodily fluids.

 

Look into the Eastern practices and you will see a whole host of methods to stimulate certain areas and experiences - many of them far more dangerous than taking LSD or a Mushroom.

 

Cite one example of an Eastern practice that is far more dangerous.

 

Sometimes the "purity" ideals are as far from what is apropos as can be. This is often gritty tough clawing work where progress is measured in "I am still breathing".

 

You know the drug thing is wrong. Why are you pushing it?

[ChiForce]

The use of a drug can have a positive overall effect.

 

The merit points arguement is naive.

 

Coffee is a drug and it can have both a positive and a negative effect.

 

You may come to the table with a rich past and you may have incorporated a defining moment in your life where here in the United States or "West" you anticipated a need to create a way to overcome the jail of our childish and narrow religious programming.

 

Ask youself just exactly where an unbending opinion is coming from if it is unequivocally against any use of any drug?

 

I am not advocating long term use or even "ocassional use". But use specifically to bridge the gap may have immensly positive results.

 

If you are cemented to the idea that this is not an organic approach - then do you also say that having a Qi Gong master moving his/her Qi into you - perhaps stimulating your 6th chakra - is this also taboo?

 

Look into the Eastern practices and you will see a whole host of methods to stimulate certain areas and experiences - many of them far more dangerous than taking LSD or a Mushroom.

 

Sometimes the "purity" ideals are as far from what is apropos as can be. This is often gritty tough clawing work where progress is measured in "I am still breathing".

Why it is naive?? Ridiculous. I had my kundalini energy rising when I was 18. No drugs used or whatsoever. Just being skillfully mindful and be very diligent in my actions, thoughts, and deeds. Constantly questioning about myself, who I am, why I am here, and what is happening to me, for the past 10+ years. That's right, 10 years. The door was open to me. In fact, the door IS opening to me now, even in my late 30s. I still don't do drugs. Maybe occasional beer and some coffee. I still have no problems completing the microcosmic orbit and circulating my chi. Also, was your kundalini energy rising at a very young age induced by drugs???

 

I wonder what Master Nan would say if one of his students is using drugs to meditate. I bet he would say "ridiculous." Oh, I bet America would have tons of Masters by now since during the 60s drug usages were very widespread.

[ChiForce]

 

 

 

 

You know the drug thing is wrong. Why are you pushing it?

I am curious to know too. Basically, he claims that the Tao or the path to Enlightenment has a too high of a moral demand from the individuals. As a result, the path is NEVER realizable. Hahahaha..... Well, I am actually walking this path. So, for him drug usages are the easier way....the great equalizer. However, the drug induced spiritual enlightenment would only render the mind to become detached from his or her world, without putting the merits to solve and see through his or her own problems. That the problems are generated and created by the illusions of the world we are living in.

 

If the individual puts the merits in seeing the nature of his or her suffering in relation to his or her world, the spiritual enlightenment would be extremely liberating in a historical proportion. Not because he or she has become detached from the world. He or she has overcome his or her illusionary world. Like a hero who has defeated his nemesis. His or her enlightenment would basically make him or her a revolutionary. After all, he or she has pierced though the smoke behind the social establishment of his or her social surrounding. Of course, if your enlightenment is induced by drugs, your mind would simply go on to a little field trip.

[Spotless]

I am amazed at how over the top some of the reactions to my posting here regarding the very rare use of a drug - very possibly only one use - one life altering use in which a mushroom might fundametally change the foundations of your perception of the world.

The phenomenally assumptive nature of the reactions and the shallow identifications with "the path I followed did not include drugs and look how fantastic I have done".

 

100% of everyone answering in astonishment and bewilderment use drugs regularly - we all do.

 

Whether you drink coffee, smoke cigars, take asprin, drink a beer, have water with floride treatment, eat a processed food, drink tap water of almost any type (even without floride), eat anything non-organic - then you take drugs.

Chances are that if you touch things on a regular basis then you do drugs.

 

That for some of you the word "drugs" is some blown out scurge is fine - a beer once in a lifetime is not a problem - I am proposing that a mushroom once in a lifetime might fundamentally change your entire world view - that is all I said - and it has been taken to the extreme.

 

So you can have a thousand beers, try smoking at some point in your life - take a toke of some weed, but one mushroom and you are opening a whole host of falicious experiences and doom? - how silly

 

Reread some of the histories of your most enlightened masters - some of them - some of the very highest were murderers.

Certainly quite a few were heavy drinkers, smokers and had foul mouths.

 

One person here asked me to "Cite one example of an Eastern practice that is far more dangerous"

I will not do your homework for you - if you are not already aware of even one of the great number of dangerous practices that are very apt to cause considerable harm - far beyond a one time use of LSD or a mushroom - then you need to do your own research because if you have even scratched the surface of this stuff and not learned of any of the more dangerous practices, then you really need to start back at the basics where you will learn these things - they are very important.- like type in a search on "dangers of premature kundalini awakening" or "dangers of deep breathing" or "dangers of assuming".

 

Ask your teacher if you have one - "is there any practice that can be dangerous?" This is basic stuff - you need to know it.

 

Another poster responded by speaking for me - coming to conclusions for me and then deriding me for the stupidity of the conclusions - an amazing assumptive posture - and the pride of the worst of our politicians.

Edited April 11, 2013 by Spotless

[Samurai Mountain man]

Do you realize that the Taoism you have gotten into may be unconnected to the classical Chinese version of the Tao Te Ching? I don't even see a connection between Philosophical Daoism of the west and the Third Eye. The disconnect between eastern and western worldviews could account for your western LSD approach to your western version of an eastern goal.

 

Perhaps but I don't see a problem with this. I don't claim "my tao" is the right tao. I claim it is my tao and it satisfies me.

[Samurai Mountain man]

Oh and I forgot. What do you mean with "your western LSD approach to your western version of an eastern goal."?

 

Sounds like im unworthy of eastern methods. yes?

[ChiForce]

I am amazed at how over the top some of the reactions to my posting here regarding the very rare use of a drug - very possibly only one use - one life altering use in which a mushroom might fundametally change the foundations of your perception of the world.

The phenomenally assumptive nature of the reactions and the shallow identifications with "the path I followed did not include drugs and look how fantastic I have done".

 

100% of everyone answering in astonishment and bewilderment use drugs regularly - we all do.

 

Whether you drink coffee, smoke cigars, take asprin, drink a beer, have water with floride treatment, eat a processed food, drink tap water of almost any type (even without floride), eat anything non-organic - then you take drugs.

Chances are that if you touch things on a regular basis then you do drugs.

 

That for some of you the word "drugs" is some blown out scurge is fine - a beer once in a lifetime is not a problem - I am proposing that a mushroom once in a lifetime might fundamentally change your entire world view - that is all I said - and it has been taken to the extreme.

 

So you can have a thousand beers, try smoking at some point in your life - take a toke of some weed, but one mushroom and you are opening a whole host of falicious experiences and doom? - how silly

 

Reread some of the histories of your most enlightened masters - some of them - some of the very highest were murderers.

Certainly quite a few were heavy drinkers, smokers and had foul mouths.

 

One person here asked me to "Cite one example of an Eastern practice that is far more dangerous"

I will not do your homework for you - if you are not already aware of even one of the great number of dangerous practices that are very apt to cause considerable harm - far beyond a one time use of LSD or a mushroom - then you need to do your own research because if you have even scratched the surface of this stuff and not learned of any of the more dangerous practices, then you really need to start back at the basics where you will learn these things - they are very important.- like type in a search on "dangers of premature kundalini awakening" or "dangers of deep breathing" or "dangers of assuming".

 

Ask your teacher if you have one - "is there any practice that can be dangerous?" This is basic stuff - you need to know it.

 

Another poster responded by speaking for me - coming to conclusions for me and then deriding me for the stupidity of the conclusions - an amazing assumptive posture - and the pride of the worst of our politicians.

Madness, comparing coffee to LSD..... Or tea to LSD since Master Nan drinks tea. In fact, I take Korean Red Ginseng supplement. Oh, is that same as LSD...????