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#81 Aletheia

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:47 PM

Right so what was "original cavity" again? I can't remember. The LDT? I'll go and find the study group...



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:54 PM

The head...


"The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order"
 
-A.N. Whitehead

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:03 PM

The head...

Right, between the eyes I think.

 

Is Foundations of Internal Alchemy a translation of the same text? TY I'm talking about.


Edited by Aletheia, 08 April 2017 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:05 PM

Hi Alletheia,

 

I`d like to echo the advice of several others who have suggested you seek out a reputable system and teacher, preferably an in-person one though I believe good online/video instruction exists.  It`s not that I think you are in any particular danger (you might be, I just don`t know), but rather that I believe you are both serious and talented.  Spiritual development seems to be of great interest to you, so I think it`s worth your while to do the groundwork to make sure you`re on a good path.  It can be challenging to find a teacher, depending on your location and financial resources, but given your level of interest I think the effort would be worth it.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:09 PM

Foundations of Internal Alchemy is a different text; it was written as a sort of summary of the process. Taoist Yoga is an alchemical manual which describes the process through the exercises that is describes. They can be helpful to read together but they are not the same book.


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"The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order"
 
-A.N. Whitehead

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:22 PM

https://www.amazon.c...k/dp/0877280673

 

click look in.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:30 PM

also Hindu swamis knowledge,

sushumna, ida and pingala stuff. It has its own ways to test your channels and ways, signs. Is simpler to grasp imho but results are same as Taoist Yoga or any inner alchemy, its universal knowledge. Also go for Buddhist, Bible and other mayor stuff.

 

almost forgot that you have endless quotes from members own translations and awesome quotes from all sorts of texts.


Edited by allinone, 08 April 2017 - 02:36 PM.

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#88 Aletheia

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:39 PM

Okay, liminal_luke maybe some time I'll look for a teacher. I think it's probably important especially with real energetic systems where they can actually show you directly that they have qi etc. But I'm not really interested in paying for this stuff or attending classes with a whole load of other people right now. Anyway if I really need help I'm sure I'll find it eventually.

 

Foundations of Internal Alchemy is a different text; it was written as a sort of summary of the process. Taoist Yoga is an alchemical manual which describes the process through the exercises that is describes. They can be helpful to read together but they are not the same book.

 

Thanks I've actually got both books I just haven't looked at TY because I thought it would be too difficult for me right now. But I suppose I need to start reading it. I've got it here anyway. So I'll see what it says and read through one of the study groups too.



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 06:15 PM

I'm honestly totally confused now. I literally have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing. I saw Drew commented on his blog and I can't exactly remember what the comment said but it got me thinking about energy going up the spine. I know my governor channel is open but I don't really feel qi going up there. So I'm wondering if I should be practising the small universe.

 

I suppose I can't really complain right now because I'm guessing I do have good potential for internal alchemy. It's just that what I know is pretty lacking and what I can do seems a bit all over the place regarding basic, medium and advanced abilities. I seem to have bits and pieces everywhere without being able to put it together right now. But it's not the greatest problem in the world. I'm sure I'll get my act together sooner rather than later I hope!

 

I'm at least going to start by breathing in to the LDT for a change because I actually haven't been doing that so I guessing that's a bit of a problem. I'll do that and take it from there for the time being.


Edited by Aletheia, 08 April 2017 - 06:57 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 02:44 AM

your confusion will be easier to manage if you would learn tenets what apply to everything.

 

If you read you need to breath into LDT, then how do you understand that it is LDT you breath into. What is the characteristics of bottom of a breath, it reaches to lower abdomen.

That if you say you going to breath into LDT is same as you would say you going to pick your nose..completely random.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 04:12 AM

Right so this is my daily routine:

 

morning -- rubbing yongquan centres followed by moving yin and yang with some wim hof breathing.

 

daytime -- breathing into the LDT for up to 20 minutes at a time.

 

nighttime -- rubbing yongquan centres followed by moving yin and yang with some wim hof breathing, followed by LDT meditation.

 

And I'll start going through TY book too.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 04:13 AM

What's a good way to finish a meditation? Like take some deep breaths into the LDT, then tap the arms, move head from side to side etc.?



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 04:35 AM

'Doin' the MCO and neidan are mutually exclusive. Neidan is a spiritual practice (non fundamentalist) while doing :wacko: the MCO is fundamentalist BS. I hope that clears things up.


MCO is dealing with the postheaven qi while neidan involves preheaven qi. This is the main difference. Another difference comes from the nature of preheaven and postheaven. Postheaven can be managed by mind while preheaven cannot. And as our mind has limitations, working with postheaven qi might lead to deviations such as wrong root of energy circulation.
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#94 Aletheia

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:16 AM

What's a good way to finish a meditation? Like take some deep breaths into the LDT, then tap the arms, move head from side to side etc.?

Okay, I think at the end of the moving yin and yang exercise move hands together at the LDT, left hand closest to the body and breathe into the LDT.

 

Then:

 

rub hands together

 

rub face in circular motion up past the nose and round the outside of the face

 

comb head with fingers from front to back

 

cup hands and tap head from front to back

 

massage ears from top to bottom

 

caps hands and tap arms. first inside then outside

 

tap chest from top to bottom

 

then underarm area

 

interlink fingers and massage stomach in clockwise direction

 

move head from left to right in circular motion 6 times

 

move head from right to left in circular motion 6 times

 

then some bending back stuff!

 

swing from side to side with elbows sticking out

 

then stand up and down on your toes.

 

 

That seems like quite a lot! is there a short version, or what? I honestly don't believe I'll be doing that at the end of my meditations and I don't belief everyone else is doing it either. I suppose it's not too much and can be done quickly.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:38 AM

your confusion will be easier to manage if you would learn tenets what apply to everything.

 

If you read you need to breath into LDT, then how do you understand that it is LDT you breath into. What is the characteristics of bottom of a breath, it reaches to lower abdomen.

That if you say you going to breath into LDT is same as you would say you going to pick your nose..completely random.

Breathing, state of mind, focus etc I think I've got. I don't even have to think about those things. It's the other things I'm wondering about along with the theory and how it all fits together that I struggle with I think.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:12 AM

Interesting, so let's recap the progression of this fish story here:

I dropped in on some old friends today as I was passing through the area and it turned out one of them was crying in pain because she had some kind of skin infection. She'd been to the hospital and been prescribed two sets of antibiotics and finished the course, but her leg below the knee was still very badly swollen and purple. She said she'd been in pain for weeks and was moaning in agony and was about to go back to the hospital.

So I said I could try and project some qi and pull out the blocked energy even though I have no training and have never tried such a thing before.

So, I pulled out some energy and threw it on the floor but only at about 7 or 8 places in the leg because I really didn't have much idea about that, I only saw it on a youtube video once tbh. Then I got her to put her leg on a stool and I focused on the heat in the stomach and with my eyes open tried to project qi with the palm of my right hand a few inches away from the leg in to the areas that looked like they most needed it.

She said she could feel the heat pretty quickly and also began to feel very relaxed. The colour started to come back into her leg too and after a while she said she felt no pain for the first time in weeks! After about 1 hour full of maybe 6 4 minutes goes at a time most of the swelling had gone and most of the purple too and she was in a very mellow state with her eyes closed, completely without pain!

I am total amazed by what happened. Although I knew qi is very real and tangible, actually seeing and experiencing its effects first hand for the first time is almost unbelievable, it literally brings tears to my eyes thinking about it!

I called her up and she said her leg is much better. She wasn't really saying much though tbh. So I asked if she could feel the heat yesterday and she said "yes, it's totally crazy."

So, that's all I can say right now -- her leg is better and she definitely felt the heat. That's the only time I've ever tried something like that and I don't really have anything to reference it against within the greater context of things if I'm honest.

I'll try it out again when I get the chance for sure and post about it. I'm going to go to my local yoga school sometime in the next few days. Maybe I'll see if a teacher can feel the qi, or something :P

EDIT: I did say right at the start we need to take some before and after pictures because the first thing I did was pull some energy out in maybe three places and my friend said the places had turned white while before they were purple. I did see the white bits but wasn't really sure what they looked like previously. But, we didn't end up taking pictures. I did see my friend try and pull out some energy herself after she said something had happened, which I think is quite funny!

Right now it all seems a bit of a blur and I'm not sure what is what to tell the truth. I know for sure I feel the heat and when I put my concentration there and breathe it gets hotter and hotter. If I go to my hands I can feel energy there too like a fizzy drink in the palms. When I first put the heat in my head I instantly felt its effects on my experience of space and time and my consciousness got caught up in my LDT for 6 hours so that's why I joined this forum, because I was wondering how and where I was supposed to store all that energy!

So first, she "definitely" felt your heat and her swelling and purple color receded?

Also I read Drew's last blog post and I'm now wondering if my friend with the bad leg might of had orgasms during the healing and perhaps that's why she went a bit quiet lol. I mention in my post about the healing that I said she went quiet because she was feeling the love energy. When I called her up afterward I asked if she could feel the heat and she said "yes, it's crazy" so now I wonder exactly what does she mean by that 0_o
 
At one point it literally looked like her leg was transforming before my eyes, I'm not even joking. The whole experience is completely nuts.
 
I will go around there sometime and ask what she felt at the time. The thing is she takes drugs and is not always coherent and I don't really want to take drugs right now which will happen if I go around there. Also it's a bit of a trek to get there and I'm not interested in making the journey right now.
 
I'm also interested to know how long the leg had been bad (it was obviously getting worse because she was talking about going to hospital but she didn't have the money for a taxi) and what happened with the health of the leg following the healing.

She was otherwise quiet and didn't offer much on her own, though.  That's probably because...uh...she was too busy having orgasms to talk, DUH!  But when you asked her leading questions...she compliantly validated your valiant efforts/ego in gratitude.  Incidentally, she also happens to be incoherent a lot from drug use... 

Right, I'm going over to my friend's, I just called her up. I think I was on the speaker phone and I said "It's unbelievable isn't it?" and she said "YES!" then someone in the background said "come over quickly so we can hear you talk about philosophy!"

So there you go. I'm pretty sure not only did they witness what happened but they felt it too. Normally after about 45 minutes of my talking about philosophy none stop they tell me to "SHUT UP!" now they're asking me to come over!

Honestly this is why is so incredible because other people experienced it too and to be blunt it was so fucking high level it can't be put into words!

So you can say I'm imagining things and Drew is crazy, but who are you really fooling in the end?

And even her drug buddies were so impressed by your previous healing...that they wanted you to come back and do more healings yap more about philosophy!  Which is what you seemed to do best?

I think it was a mistake to go back to my friend's because I still feel rough as hell from taking drugs.

She said she may well have felt some warmth but it was very much secondary to the relaxation and pain cessation she felt.

She doesn't think all the swelling went away like I was saying.

Also she said she couldn't remember me pulling out energy and her leg changing colour.

So I said to her "you don't remember trying to pull energy out of your leg after you saw it had changed colour while I was doing it?"

and she said "oh, yeah! I forgot about that!"

So, the thing is we were all high AF so maybe the swelling really went down like I believe and her leg did change colour while I was pulling energy from her leg, it was actually her who said that happened at the time because I didn't notice it.

Who knows? and how cares anyway? I really need to focus on getting things right so I can move forward and progress with my practise from here on in.

I read Drew's blog while I was high and he comments on this thread. I'll have to reread what he wrote though.

But now, the expert incoherent witness herself is even disputing all your initial claims...until you prod her again for the "right" answers.  Which she dutifully complies with again to avoid - harshing the vibe before you all pop some more mollies together?

 

Oh yea baby, you were the best!  I quietly came 5X!  And I'm so high I can't even remember my own name!  What's yours? :blink:

 

It sure is a funny coinkydink that when the ego stops liking what it hears...it suddenly stops caring.  Right, it doesn't matter anyway...so let's just keep moving right along, folks! :lol:

 

And let's go back and start with DO NO PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200, and JOIN THE CLUB, HOMEY?


Edited by gendao, 09 April 2017 - 10:54 AM.

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