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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:42 AM

We had an old thread here that was based on analyzing some old pictures.  I couldn't find it, but this image is worth some group analysis.  Ultimately we'd need to find where they came from, how old they were, but without that, what do you make of the images?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:52 AM

The one from Mesopotamia, is muscled like a body builder.  Both are armed but the one on the right's daggers look larger and better used, he has a crueler beak, you wouldn't want to mess with him.  Both seem to have gotten there purses from the same store, perhaps Macy's of Coach store. 

 

The Ecuadorean seems a little more lizard then bird.  It's seems a good bet to assume Mesopotamia is much much older then Ecuador, but one never knows.   One of these could be copy from 100's or 1,000's of years ago, or an artist or forgers work from the turn of the century..  


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:44 AM

Right hand genuinely ancient probably Assyrian - left hand fake copy in bronze.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

 is muscled like a body builder.  

 

kind of not about the pictures question... but... "a body builder"... mmm... how do I put my question right...

so, here is a story...

 

one time I was at the Jai Uttal's kirtan and he was saying he will call his "guru" now. So they are singing, blah blah blah, I sit there in the music, enjoying it... my eyes closed... then I see " a "body builder" with an elephant head shows up. Three dimensional. He does not pay attention to me, but looks around like "you again, ( i.e. to Jay), whatever..." and disappears. I am like... whoa... so Ganesha is your guru, but you obviously do not hear him. ( I am gonna skip the topic of cultural appropriation, not the point here). But to me what was odd is that "shiny", "glowing" Ganesha was a body-builder.... I mean, as a woman I appreciate nice male bod... meow....but everywhere else he is pictured rather "not so body builder"?....

 

Another time in another place, I was ... well... who knows where this cat walks.... anyways... I run into a "guy with a coyote/shakal head", again, shiny, three dimensional, topless ( body-builder bod)... Since I had to go and do something, he kind of helped. 

 

So... question... anybody else ran into those "well looking body-builders" during "field-trips"? If they ( gods?devas?holograms?) are from the previous civilizations, why humanity is so far away from those standards of body these days? I mean... Seems to me ( and based on posted pics), body-builder bod was kind of like a pre-requisite? 

 

thoughts are welcome...


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

We had an old thread here that was based on analyzing some old pictures.  I couldn't find it, but this image is worth some group analysis.  Ultimately we'd need to find where they came from, how old they were, but without that, what do you make of the images?

 

 

 

 

The one on the left is a well known fake - debunked some time back . 

 

Check out  "Father Crespi'  ( who was responsible for promoting it )    . 


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:39 PM

kind of not about the pictures question... but... "a body builder"... mmm... how do I put my question right...

so, here is a story...

 

one time I was at the Jai Uttal's kirtan and he was saying he will call his "guru" now. So they are singing, blah blah blah, I sit there in the music, enjoying it... my eyes closed... then I see " a "body builder" with an elephant head shows up. Three dimensional. He does not pay attention to me, but looks around like "you again, ( i.e. to Jay), whatever..." and disappears. I am like... whoa... so Ganesha is your guru, but you obviously do not hear him. ( I am gonna skip the topic of cultural appropriation, not the point here). But to me what was odd is that "shiny", "glowing" Ganesha was a body-builder.... I mean, as a woman I appreciate nice male bod... meow....but everywhere else he is pictured rather "not so body builder"?....

 

harumph !   I will have you know my dear ,    bald with big belly is the new sexy !  

 

Another time in another place, I was ... well... who knows where this cat walks.... anyways... I run into a "guy with a coyote/shakal head", again, shiny, three dimensional, topless ( body-builder bod)... Since I had to go and do something, he kind of helped. 

 

Anpu ? 

 

So... question... anybody else ran into those "well looking body-builders" during "field-trips"? If they ( gods?devas?holograms?) are from the previous civilizations, why humanity is so far away from those standards of body these days? I mean... Seems to me ( and based on posted pics), body-builder bod was kind of like a pre-requisite? 

 

 

Nah, its lotz a stuff .... artistic styling is a major issue   I mean look at Amarna artwork !  Yikes !     Also, check  the 'musculature '   ( and ligaments and tendons ) on the forearms and calves .   I have an Iranian friend / boss and his are like that  (and sometimes I have sparred him - yikes !  Dont let him get a hold of you - one time I saw him in a fight, a guy tried to push him and he pushed back, the guy slid along the floor, collected various tables and chairs on the way and the whole lot came flying out the door -  called him 'tsunami' after that  :D )     ...  if one takes into account stylistic and ethnic differences needing to be expressed in a ;thick form' - sculpture.  Its a body type , like some African tribes are  very tall and slender.

 

Ancient  sculpture is like that when depicting ethnic groups, they exaggerate the differences for clear identification. 

 

And of course Gods and heroes are always strong  ;) 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:44 PM

Lets closely analyse another 'historical picture '    ; 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:05 PM

I wonder if thelerner is referring to this one:

Buddha in Persia

 

I am almost certain that I originally saw this comparison of the two bird men in that thread, but it is not there now, and no sign of it being edited out, but Nungali says nasty things about Father Crespi there also in relation to a post by Gendao.  In any case the thread in spite of its beginning with the idea that the Buddha originated and Persia and ended being, if not exactly for the birds, then for the bird men.

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:47 PM

Not fake

 

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Not fake

 

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Not fake

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:11 PM

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:03 AM

Not fake

 

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Not fake

 

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Not fake

 

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See those 'handbags'?  Look here :

 

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:29 AM

kind of not about the pictures question... but... "a body builder"... mmm... how do I put my question right...
so, here is a story...
 
one time I was at the Jai Uttal's kirtan and he was saying he will call his "guru" now. So they are singing, blah blah blah, I sit there in the music, enjoying it... my eyes closed... then I see " a "body builder" with an elephant head shows up. Three dimensional. He does not pay attention to me, but looks around like "you again, ( i.e. to Jay), whatever..." and disappears. I am like... whoa... so Ganesha is your guru, but you obviously do not hear him. ( I am gonna skip the topic of cultural appropriation, not the point here). But to me what was odd is that "shiny", "glowing" Ganesha was a body-builder.... I mean, as a woman I appreciate nice male bod... meow....but everywhere else he is pictured rather "not so body builder"?....
 
Another time in another place, I was ... well... who knows where this cat walks.... anyways... I run into a "guy with a coyote/shakal head", again, shiny, three dimensional, topless ( body-builder bod)... Since I had to go and do something, he kind of helped. 
 
So... question... anybody else ran into those "well looking body-builders" during "field-trips"? If they ( gods?devas?holograms?) are from the previous civilizations, why humanity is so far away from those standards of body these days? I mean... Seems to me ( and based on posted pics), body-builder bod was kind of like a pre-requisite? 
 
thoughts are welcome...


Energetically the inner power is intensely muscular - one could be a tub in the relative and a massive lion or fierce bird in beingness though the power is indescribable.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:53 AM

See those 'handbags'?  Look here :

 

 

Yes, they are all over the place.  They are worth exploring.  I have seen bas-reliefs where they actually dip the pine cone into them before dousing humans with what they contain. 

 

Old school doctors used to carry the "doctor's bag" with them at all times.  The one my grandaunt never left home without looked like this:

 

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Considering the pine cone involvement, I think those alien gods were "doctoring" our species to their specs. 


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:19 PM

Not fake

 

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Not fake

 

Good Analyzing !     Men in long coats make an offereing .

 

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Not fake

 

Nope.   - a man in a fish costume .

 

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THis one doesn't appear to be fake either  ... a winged demon. 

 

How are they all related ?   Not sure    -    but ,   top figure on left and the next two figures all seem to have similar arm positions , and holding a  "handbag "  down and  an 'offering'  ( an incense pot ? )    up . 


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:25 PM

 

 

What a wacky story !     SIte closed, no one allowed in ... yet  they redug it and redefined it recently    WOW ...    not many archaeological sites allow that ! 

 

And it gets weirder ;   "  When the site was discovered, several items were found in a small pit[citation needed]: what appeared to be a satellite photo of the figure, a jar containing a small flag of the US, and a note which referred to the Branch Davidians, a religious group infamous for being attacked in the Waco raid in 1993. These were the only other human artifacts found at the site when it was discovered, apart from some bamboo stakes that had been used to mark out the outline. "

- Wiki  

 

....  Branch Davidians  ? !       :unsure: 


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:36 PM

See those 'handbags'?  Look here :

 

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 And here ;  

 

Aboriginal  ' Dilly Bag ' 

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Aboriginal  'Naga basket '

 

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[ I often like to compare Australian Aboriginal 'stuff'  ( eg. their astronomy / astrology ) as a  living example of the way ancient people may have done things elsewhere  - but I got severely attacked for that on an archaeology forum .

 

... meh ...  used to be attacked now    ;)   ] 


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