Liu Huayang

[awaken]

I have been to a conference before.

I thought the professors there must know more than me.

 

But it is not.

 

They do not know anything, because they do not cultivate for a long time.

 

They misunderstood a lot.

 

They just know how to write many papers.

 

 

So I went to qq in china.

 

I thought they must know more than me.

 

Maybe I can find a "true" teacher there.

 

But it is not.

 

 

 

So I went to mainland china to go to a daoist temple.

 

To make friends with 道長.

 

I do find some 道長 are really good.

 

But ......

 

 

 

 

Then I come here.

 

So many rude people here who claim that they have a "true" teacher.

 

What kind of teaching will make these people so rude?

 

I do not know.

 

I just do not want to talk to these people.

 

Not to mention their "truuuuuue" teachers.

 

 

 

But there is still one thing worth to be happy.

 

Some good people wrote messages to me.

 

I am very glad that I can make friends here.

 

There are still many good cultivators here.

Edited December 12, 2016 by awaken

[Taoist Texts]

Man, aren't you aware of Orientalism science? Evgeniy Torchinov was a PhD in Orientalism (specifically in Taoism) and a greatest Russian specialist in ancient Chinese. His researches are also well known in China, he has been several times invited to participate taoist conferences in China.

 

Here is his citation record:

 

 

[CITATION] The doctrine of the" mysterious female

E Torchinov - Taoism, A Transpersonalist View. Brisbane, Australia: …, 1997

Cited by 4 Related articles Cite Save

[CITATION] Vvedenie v buddizm [introduction to Buddhism]

EA Torchinov - Saint-Petersburg: Amphora, 2005

Cited by 4 Related articles Cite Save

 

 

 

 

 

https://scholar.google.ru/scholar?hl=en&q=torchinov&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

 

In 11 years his work was cited 4 (four) times in the whole wide world. Most of it by russians. Orientalism lol

 

 

Do you have orientalist education at least to judge?

 

 

lol

 

No   i dont have a licence to think and speak. Are your issuing those?

Edited December 12, 2016 by Taoist Texts

[Taoist Texts]

 

What kind of teaching will make these people so rude?

 

I do not know.

 

But I do! lol

[Swede]

I have been to a conference before.

I thought the professors there must know more than me.

But it is not.

They do not know anything, because they do not cultivate for a long time.

They misunderstood a lot.

They just know how to write many papers.

 

 

That reminds me of a funny saying here...

 

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

[awaken]

 

 

But I do! lol

Why?

[Taoist Texts]

Why?

Karma.

[awaken]

Karma.

Oh.....

 

I see.

 

高明

 

It is true.

 

That is why 老子 classify people into three degrees: 上士，中士，下士

 

 

上士聞道，勤而行之；中士聞道，若存若亡；下士聞道，大笑之。

 

The people of the best degree heard of dao ，will do it diligently

 

The people of middle degree heard of dao, not much response

 

The people of lowest degree heard of dao, laugh at it.

Edited December 12, 2016 by awaken

[Arkady Shadursky]

And yet they are completely wrong and misleading. Trust me.

Said Taoist Texts who never could answer clearly on questions about Patriarch quotes.

"Trust me" - that's all you said. Only blind could follow you.

 

 

I saw that.

 

Greedy.

 

No manners.

Actually it you who said about not taking money. And it's you who blames traditional school.

So, if you really achieved the results it wouldn't be difficult for you to answer this simple question about bagua.

That could help your students. Why are you always saying something and never answer???

I'd like to be polite to you now.

---

Arkady

[FondOfDao]

I have been to a conference before.

I thought the professors there must know more than me.

 

But it is not.

 

They do not know anything, because they do not cultivate for a long time.

 

They misunderstood a lot.

 

They just know how to write many papers.

 

 

So I went to qq in china.

 

I thought they must know more than me.

 

Maybe I can find a "true" teacher there.

 

But it is not.

 

 

 

So I went to mainland china to go to a daoist temple.

 

To make friends with 道長.

 

I do find some 道長 are really good.

 

But ......

 

 

 

 

Then I come here.

 

So many rude people here who claim that they have a "true" teacher.

 

What kind of teaching will make these people so rude?

 

I do not know.

 

I just do not want to talk to these people.

 

Not to mention their "truuuuuue" teachers.

 

 

 

But there is still one thing worth to be happy.

 

Some good people wrote messages to me.

 

I am very glad that I can make friends here.

 

There are still many good cultivators here.

 

awaken do you at least know who E.A.Torchinov is? And if you say he has mistaken in translations from ancient Chinese can you please point out his mistakes to us? 

 

Please remember he was a PhD and Professor in Saint Petersburg State University.

 

I am not saying he is a taoist teacher. But he is a greatest scientist - almost all Russian taoists have learnt his translations and respect him greatly. And his translations are a standard for every translator from ancient Chinese!

 

Why do you trying say anything against him?

[Taoist Texts]

No simple politeness

 

 

Said Taoist Texts 

 

Oh you may call me Monster, or a Hellmonster, whichever your pref.

 

"Trust me" - that's all you said. Only blind could follow you.

 

 

Not could. Should. If they ever want to see.

[Pavel Karavaev]

況金玉札

 

what is this?

 

According to the translation laid out by you own, it is:

 

It is even more true applied to the golden plates and jade pages where the Teachings of Immortality are written on.

 

 

 

 

And then there is written:

 

Besides of that a lot of the most important instructions are not written there at all.

 

 

And it all goes to:

 

Since these instructions point to the depths and lead far away, so even if to write them down, yet a person who have not recieved them from his Teacher would understand nothing from them: he looks up - and would not see head, he looks down - would not see feet.

 

 

 

Maybe now it is time to recognize  what the Teacher is needed for realization of Dao? Аfter so many posted examples,  where respectfull Patriarchs said about it quite clear.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Pavel Karavaev

[Taoist Texts]

 

 

According to the translation laid out by you own, it is:

 

 

It is AAK's translation. And it is wrong.

 

So you say 

 

況金玉札 is  golden plates and jade pages?

 

If so please show me the character for PLATE here.

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As I understand the otiginal idea was that a teacher is needed, isn't?

The plate is another point.

[Taoist Texts]

As I understand the otiginal idea was that a teacher is needed, isn't?

 

Whose original idea was that?

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I mean the idea in the post of Pavel Karavaev (#214) on which you replied:

 

"Maybe now it is time to recognize  what the Teacher is needed for realization of Dao? Аfter so many posted examples,  where respectfull Patriarchs said about it quite clear."

 

The idea was not about a plate, it was about the necessity of a teacher.

[Taoist Texts]

The idea was not about a plate, it was about the necessity of a teacher.

You say this text  contain the word plate and says a teacher is necessary.

Now you can not even show me the word plate in this text.

It means you do not understand what the text says about a teacher.

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I ment that the main idea of the post was that a true teacher is necessary, can't you see this?

Is it really possible to find the right way if you have only suggestions based on written materials?

[Taoist Texts]

Ummm, guys , guys..if you can not debate constructively, i will delete nonconstructive posts. Do we have a deal here?

[Taoist Texts]

I ment that the main idea of the post was that a true teacher is necessary, can't you see this?

Is it really possible to find the right way if you have only suggestions based on written materials?

Yes it is possible.

And not only possible. It is the only way to find the right way.

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Yes it is possible.

And not only possible. It is the only way to find the right way.

And what if something goes wrong? How to understand that the results are leading you according with your expectations?

Are there clear signs of the expected results written anywhere?

[Taoist Texts]

And what if something goes wrong? How to understand that the results are leading you according with your expectations? Are there clear signs of the expected results written anywhere?

Good question. Yes all of it is written down in most intricate details.

And even the secret enabling the students not to rely on books anymore. Its all there. You just need to know how to read.

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Good question. Yes all of it is written down in most intricate details.

And even the secret enabling the students not to rely on books anymore. Its all there. You just need to know how to read.

Maybe you could explain how to read? And where it is signed out.

Or if I can not "know how to read" then I should not practice at all?

[Taoist Texts]

Maybe you could explain how to read? And where it is signed out. Or if I can not "know how to read" then I should not practice at all?

 

No I explain it only to my students. As to whether you should or not - its your life. But remember: false practice is worse than no practice.

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No I explain it only to my students. As to whether you should or not - its your life. But remember: false practice is worse than no practice.

May be then you could explain how did you become a teacher without a teacher?

[Taoist Texts]

Of course. Like this.

 

SIX QUESTIONS FROM CULTIVATED TALENT LI SIBAI, WITH THE GIVEN NAME OF YUDAO AND THE NICKNAME OF QIONGYU, FROM JIEYI

 

For the first question, he asked, "Previously, I, your disciple, did not trust in Buddhism at all. I heard the words of Zhuxi that called Buddhism empty talk. Because of this I rejected it and did not grasp it.

 

 

Previously, a friend, Meng Di, had presented me a book by you, master.

 

At first I did not want to see it. Later, I forced myself to look at it, and then realized that it had genuine effectiveness.

 

With a trusting heart and without suspicion, I practised and maintained it for half a month, and fortunately I obtained the gleaming arrival of the True Seed.

 

Inside my body, I became aware of the eight meridians evenly opening up. One evening, the illness I formerly had was cured. Now I have attained Sarira. I am truly fortunate. 

 

(Huimingjing by Liu Huayang. Transl. J. Nicholson)