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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:56 AM

Some people just don't have answers and thus try to avoid answering questions. Unfortunately for them, they can fool nobody except themselves.


If you want an answer, good relations is needed.

That is very basic.

I think that everyone should know it.

Unless you do not want the answer, you just want to show you are always right .
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:58 AM

Yes, also this is just plain silly. Neidan or daoism is about getting yangshen. what on earth could trigrams do with it?


世人个个学长年,不悟年年在目前,我得宛丘平易法,只将食粥致神仙。

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:03 AM

How funny that a person started with insulting a traditional neidan School now blaming others for having no manners.
But at the bottom line the only thing that matters is that you have no answer too.

这句话自古流传很广,有很多版本,如:“小隐隐于野,中隐隐于市,大隐隐于朝。”;“小隐在山林,大隐于市朝。”等,说的都是一个意思:那些所谓的隐士看破红尘隐居于山林是只是形式上的“隐”而已,而真正达到物我两忘的心境,反而能在最世俗的市朝中排除嘈杂的干扰,自得其乐,因此他们隐居于市朝才是心灵上真正的升华所在。
意思是说有能力的人希望依赖周围的环境忘却世事,沉湎于桃源世外,这是指小隐
真正有能力的人却是匿于市井之中,那里才是藏龙卧虎之地,这是指中隐
只有顶尖的人才会隐身于朝野之中,他们虽处于喧嚣的时政,却能大智若愚、淡然处之,这才是真正的隐者
至于出处,我只知道是魏晋时期民间流传的,好像没说出自那本书吧!有的话可能也是魏晋以后的了呵呵
也大概是句俗语,古已有之,所以要追究是哪一个人最先说的,恐怕不易。不过从白话意义上说我想可能是唐朝诗人白居易的诗作《中隐》最先把它通俗易懂地归纳出来。
你可以读一下:

白居易《中隐》

大隐住朝市,小隐入丘樊。
丘樊太冷落,朝市太嚣喧。
不如作中隐,隐在留司官。
似出复似处,非忙亦非闲。
唯此中隐士,致身吉且安

还有一种说法

...大隐隐于朝,中隐隐于市,小隐隐于野。出自孔子的"古训"
其实隐者本无大小之分,退而隐,原本已然抛弃了红尘俗事,哪管的旁人指指点点?!又怎会在意是大隐还是小隐?!这和禅宗的佛理有异曲同工之妙,看中的是内心清静的本质,而不是出家在家的形式
愿能结芦山野,退而隐,依木闲坐,隐而狂。
何时能,披发仗剑破门去,采菊南山香满襟。

也有人说是出自老子的<道德经>


Western people only learn dan dao from schools.

But Chinese people have a lot of chances to learn from the place you do not know.

In dan dao classics, we often find that many achiever do not learn from schools.

They just learn from someone meet on the street.

So Chinese said " 三人行,必有我師焉"

When three people walk together, there must be something I can learn.


And Chinese do not have the religion war, because they have an open mind in religion.

Chang bou duan did not just learn from school.

He learned a lot from Buddhism , yii jin, etc.

無為無不為

If you are a cultivator , you should have a attitude of open mind.

Edited by awaken, 10 December 2016 - 05:09 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:05 AM

 

You are welcome to stay away from my thread ( hint hint)

 

 

 

Thats very good. 8 are not so bright, they need a teacher. But what true teacher will take dim students? And how can dim students be successful? But 1 is a real genius, he does not need teachers. A genius like myself. So you just proved yourself incorrect saying that learning on ones own or from a book is impossible for everybody. Good job AA.

 

 
No, this is wrong
 

  1. difficulthard 為人父母 / 为人父母  ―  Wéirén fùmǔ hěn nán.  ―  it is difficult being a parent. 工作非常 / 工作非常  ―  Zhè xiàng gōngzuò fēicháng nán.  ―  This job is very hard.   Nan is not impossible, it is hard. Can you see the difference? It is truly hard, Which is the way it should be. Hard but quite possible. So you are incorrect on two counts: translation and understanding. Have a better  luck in the next life AA!

 

 

It was one more simpliest check for our unique super-puper not understanding pro-fanus.

 

8-9 of 10 would be completely confused (you are obviously among them, see below) and 1-2 probably would be able understand necessity and a way how to find a Teacher. Otherwise... - see what Patriarch Liu says next:

 

金丹大藥,古人以萬劫一傳。玉筍靈篇,學者之十迷九八,聖師口口,歷代心心,若非心傳口授,縱使三傑之才,十哲之智,百端揣度,亦終不能下手,結就聖胎矣。所謂:饒君聰慧過顏閔,不遇明師莫強猜,只為金丹無口訣,教君何處結靈胎。劉海蟾詩日:此道迥昭彰,如何亂揣量。金丹之道,若不遇真師,實難知之矣。

 

Wise Teachers trasmitted from mouth to mouth (verbally), for centures, from heart to heart. If you have no heart transmission and verbal teaching - then even if you are talented as 3 heroes and smart as 10 sages and know everything - you as well would not be able to start the practice, create and complete spiritual fetus.

 

 

No, this is wrong

 

 

:D  You can't even understand the simpliest words of Patriarchs about necessity of a Teacher then get used to look at dictionaries at least:

 

难  不可

 

難 unable

 

难做 imossible to do

 

 

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Edited by A.A.Khokhlov, 10 December 2016 - 05:11 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:11 AM

I personally don't need any answers from you. But it was a chance for you to demonstrate your knowledge to others. Of course if you have anything to demonstrate.


Yes

You find it.

I have nothing to say, but just want people to know the cultivation in wu Wei and give up the wrong methods.
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:13 AM

It was one more simpliest check for our unique super-puper not understanding pro-fanus.

 

8-9 of 10 would be completely confused (you are obviously among them, see below) and 1-2 probably would be able understand necessity and a way how to find a Teacher. Otherwise... - see what Patriarch Liu says next:

 

Thank you for very helpfully highlighting what  you make up and what is not in the text. hehe)

 

玉筍靈篇 what is this?


Edited by Taoist Texts, 10 December 2016 - 05:15 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:15 AM

It was one more simpliest check for our unique super-puper not understanding pro-fanus.

8-9 of 10 would be completely confused (you are obviously among them, see below) and 1-2 probably would be able understand necessity and a way how to find a Teacher. Otherwise... - see what Patriarch Liu says next:

金丹大藥,古人以萬劫一傳。玉筍靈篇,學者之十迷九八,聖師口口,歷代心心,若非心傳口授,縱使三傑之才,十哲之智,百端揣度,亦終不能下手,結就聖胎矣。所謂:饒君聰慧過顏閔,不遇明師莫強猜,只為金丹無口訣,教君何處結靈胎。劉海蟾詩日:此道迥昭彰,如何亂揣量。金丹之道,若不遇真師,實難知之矣。

Wise Teachers trasmitted from mouth to mouth (verbally), for centures, from heart to heart. If you have no heart transmission and verbal teaching - then even if you are talented as 3 heroes and smart as 10 sages and know everything - you as well would not be able to start the practice, create and complete spiritual fetus.



:D You can't even understand the simpliest words of Patriarchs about necessity of a Teacher then get used to look at dictionaries at least:

难 不可

難 unable

难做 imossible to do


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Excuse me. You seem to forget there is a Chinese here.

難做 does not mean impossible to do.

It means it is difficult to do.

It can be done, but just difficult.

Impossible to do 不可能

Edited by awaken, 10 December 2016 - 05:16 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:16 AM

You guys play nice here, think what 玉筍靈篇 is while i go do a round of taicheee


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:17 AM

But Chinese people have a lot of chances to learn from the place you do not know.

In dan dao classics, we often find that many achiever do not learn from schools.

They just learn from someone meet on the street.

 

Meeting on a street person with real transmission - Real Teacher, not someone who "learnt" from books.

 

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Edited by A.A.Khokhlov, 10 December 2016 - 05:19 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:17 AM

Excuse me. You seem to forget there is a Chinese here.

難做 does not mean impossible to do.

It means it is difficult to do.

It can be done, but just difficult.  Impossible to do 不可能

hahaha;) these guys are the funniest)


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:18 AM

What you are talking about is exactly what most Western people think, so you are simply no different.
But anyway, can you demonstrate your knowledge that you attained from the places we don't know to us? One genius in this thread has already answered that he knows nothing about bagua and neidan, it is your turn now.


I told you .

Manner, relation, dao

You can not ask questions like this , no manners.
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:21 AM

Thank you for very helpfully highlighting what  you make up and what is not in the text. hehe)

 

玉筍靈篇 what is this?

 

Ok. You are unable to focus on more than 1 thing at a time. See:

 

It was one more simpliest check for our unique super-puper not understanding pro-fanus "Taoist Texts". See what Patriarch Liu says next:

 

金丹大藥,古人以萬劫一傳。玉筍靈篇,學者之十迷九八,聖師口口,歷代心心,若非心傳口授,縱使三傑之才,十哲之智,百端揣度,亦終不能下手,結就聖胎矣。所謂:饒君聰慧過顏閔,不遇明師莫強猜,只為金丹無口訣,教君何處結靈胎。劉海蟾詩日:此道迥昭彰,如何亂揣量。金丹之道,若不遇真師,實難知之矣。

 

Wise Teachers trasmitted from mouth to mouth (verbally), for centures, from heart to heart. If you have no heart transmission and verbal teaching - then even if you are talented as 3 heroes and smart as 10 sages and know everything - you as well would not be able to start the practice, create and complete spiritual fetus.

 

 

What's next, "Taoist Texts"?



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:23 AM

Excuse me. You seem to forget there is a Chinese here.

難做 does not mean impossible to do.

It means it is difficult to do.

It can be done, but just difficult.

Impossible to do 不可能

Wrong. 

 

难  不可

 

Is what Chinese dictionary says  :excl: 



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:24 AM

Meeting on a street person with real transmission - Real Teacher, not someone who "learnt" from books.

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How do you know I only learn from books?

I learned from many different ways because I have an open mind.

I have many teachers.

In dan dao, I met many people cultivate very well.

When I was a beginner, I learned from many different teachers and friends.

Not only one teacher

Dan dao is not a religion.

You should not treat dan dao as a religion.


You can see almost all achiever in dan dao did not learn from a single teacher.

Buddha had the same situation.

Edited by awaken, 10 December 2016 - 05:26 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:27 AM

Wrong. 
 
难  不可
 
Is what Chinese dictionary says  :excl: 


It is easy words.

It is too easy to use dictionary.

If I show this to my students, they will laugh for a while.
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 05:28 AM

Hey "Taoist Texts". If we are done with clear and exlicit words of Patriarch Liu Haichan - how about other 6 quotes?

 

Need more? Give me a minute.


Edited by A.A.Khokhlov, 10 December 2016 - 05:28 AM.





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