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#17 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 01:22 PM

What is more interesting is that there is ming method to become human immortal. 



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 02:33 PM

Buddhists would love to chop off some taoist top knots. Basically, what they think is not enough baldness
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#19 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 02:44 PM

Taoism = buddhism



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 02:59 PM

Taoism = buddhism

 

That's a bit Orwellian. 


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#21 Apeiron&Peiron

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 03:04 PM

No it's advaita.

 

:rolleyes:


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 04:36 PM

I've always found advaita pretty Orwellian.  But elaborations would belong in a thread "Taoist views on Buddhist interpretations of Hinduism." 


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#23 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:35 PM

The Venerable Master Hsu Yun wrote the Song of a Skin Bag in expression of this fact. But this type of immortal puts all his energy into developing this kind of skill. They don't know that they should put that effort into developing the self-nature. So the difference between Taoism and Buddhism is that the former uses effort on what is apparent and the latter uses effort on what is not apparent. So one has an attachment and the other doesn't. That's the difference.

Actually, the way of the immortals and the Buddhist Way are similar. The point is that one is involved in attachments and the other is not. The kind of skill these immortals develop is basically all right, but they get attached to it. They become totally engrossed in appearances. Because of that they have a hindrance. They feel they have to do things in a certain way. Because they have this hang-up, they cannot get completely out of the cycle of rebirth. They don't gain ultimate understanding and release

 

 

Taoism = Buddhism generally. 

 

Buddha knew all ways of immortality and taught to couple of arhants in sutras so... Taoism = Buddhism


Edited by SeekerOfHealing, 19 December 2016 - 06:37 PM.


#24 damdao

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:55 PM

 

 

Actually, the way of the immortals and the Buddhist Way are similar. The point is that one is involved in attachments and the other is not. The kind of skill these immortals develop is basically all right, but they get attached to it. They become totally engrossed in appearances. Because of that they have a hindrance. They feel they have to do things in a certain way. Because they have this hang-up, they cannot get completely out of the cycle of rebirth. They don't gain ultimate understanding and release

 

Being the Shurangama sutra a Chinese apocrypha is not strange that some paragraphs were against Daoism.

 

On the other hand, what I was thinking about related to the Hakuin story is that if some individual has books pertaining to the three teachings then he must be a Daoist, be it quan zhen, nan zong, wuliu or some other daoist school but buddhist or confucianist doing the same were more scarce. Only neoconfucianism endevoured something similar to a syntesis between the three teachings.


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#25 Taomeow

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 12:41 AM

"Journey to the West" tells the story of exporting Buddhism to China.  It was the decision of taoist gods to let it happen -- of course they never would have allowed it if there was nothing in it for them, after all taoism predates Buddhism by four thousand years, and they would need a very good incentive for letting the newcomers in.  They had it.  As always is the case with the powerful, it was a conspiracy.  They couldn't expel Monkey from their realm since he was one of them, his power nearly as great as that of the Jade Emperor himself, but he was such a nuisance that they had to figure out a way to get him to learn some manners.  So they made a deal with Buddha who managed to successfully trick Monkey and seal him under a mountain for five hundred years with a fu.  In return Buddha got a good chunk of China, while the tianzun got a 500-year-long break. 


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#26 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 02:37 AM

It's not against taoism - you just proved what is says being touchy and clinging to appearances. It's just explains taoism and it's difference to buddhism without personal attack.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:18 AM

It's not against taoism - you just proved what is says being touchy and clinging to appearances. It's just explains taoism and it's difference to buddhism without personal attack.

 

I "just not proved anything" and it does not explain anything.

It is the normal rethoric about daoism being inferior and it is an attack (though not a personal one, of course):

 

 

The kind of skill these immortals develop is basically all right, but they get attached to it. They become totally engrossed in appearances. Because of that they have a hindrance. They feel they have to do things in a certain way. Because they have this hang-up, they cannot get completely out of the cycle of rebirth. They don't gain ultimate understanding and release


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 09:32 PM

Check out Shaolin history
Hakunin is not the only buddhist to get training from a daoist.

#29 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 22 December 2016 - 12:28 AM

It's not attack it's explanation. You can see this clinging in attacks of Wu Liu Pai on others.

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 09:52 AM

The gaol of Buddhism is not the same as Daoism. The emphasis differs with Buddhism seeking Nibannic Bliss and cessation of samsaric existence, while Daoism, the attainment of immortality. Of the various Buddhist methods of meditation as taught by the Buddha (within the Theravaden tradition), none emphasized on sounds=emotions=organs (6 Sounds); the breathing meditation of the Buddhist is not the same as MCO. 


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#31 sagebrush

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 12:47 PM

ok show me if you can an example in the tao de ching that makes reference to immortality.

 

because while I read it very fast I do not recall anything that my eyes read across immortality.

 

 

it is good to see that I do not go about things in logical conclusions.

 

and that Taoism is far from anything I understand nor know.

 

I study my back hillside yard, the interplay of creatures, branches, slices of night sky and clouds on sky in day.

I value moss, dried bramble and the way the earth offers up its bounty...weeds or flowers, ferns, the changing seasons changes....


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#32 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 03:23 PM

You have MCO and other stuff in buddhist but they not speak of it as you would be cling to those experiences (you will have all those experiences if you properly cultivate but you just go thru them naturally) . Physical immortality is fake Dao. entering the Dao or seeing Tao = nibbana. yang shen is just consciousness in very solid qi-body which will dissolve anyway with eons and eons then you will need to go back to either higher realms or back to earth to cultivate again. Sorry, there is no other escape ten emptiness. You can of course cheat yourself and believe that attaining yang shen will make your consciousness live forver - but it's not possibile. Impermanent things will be impermanent. Yang shen is still limited stage. "Great emptiness" is the highest stage in neidan, but even high students do not know that stage.

Edited by SeekerOfHealing, 26 December 2016 - 03:24 PM.

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